refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


João nuno antunes
 

stop it please.... why microsoft don't have consideration for us? this
argoment will be valid if skype 8 doesn't have the accessibility to use
it... I don't know the new interface yet because I'm still using the old
xp... but if skype 8 is identical like facebook messenger for example,
personaly I won't any trouble to use it... don't complain.


Às 12:32 de 09-10-2018, Joseph Machise escreveu:

well Shaun, there is no reason we have to go threw this, just herd on
the news that Microsoft just did a update, and thousands of files were
lost, in my view, they don't take the blind in to very much consideration
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly,
as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a
pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done
on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but
sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt
it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both.
I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not
sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at
best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that
they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep
something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite
ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code
perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:
you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
<blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of
Skype


they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find
yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and
they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded
of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it,
don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go
linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about
another, get with the program, things are not going to go
backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with
it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had
talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us
what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
<blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version
of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no
longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this
means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic
skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like
the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on
Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to
hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no
go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine












--
João Nuno Antunes


jazzyjennifer
 

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the  beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.


Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the  beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.


Shaun Oliver
 

I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.

On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.



Mike DeZinno
 

Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype scrips! LOL

Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC


At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>




--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt


Mike DeZinno
 

I hear you about the cloud, but what happens to Skype when your Internet service goes down,
Or like us here in SC waiting for another hurricane which usually means days without electric power or DSL or cable connections.
This is after all life on the web and just like real life nothing in virtual life is a 100% guarantee! LOL

Playing the what if game is fun to a point but history has proven that most of what we fear never happens anyway.

Stay calm, and stay the course,
in the end it usually sorts itself out.

Mike, preparing for a real hurricane in SC


At 08:34 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
well 1 thing people when the cloud goes down, then what.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine













Mike DeZinno
 

re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.








Doug Lee
 

The actual problem with arrowing in Skype chat history is the reverse of what was reported here: Arrowing down stops where it should, but arrowing up can loop back around to the bottom.

The other issue with Skype 8 chat history arrowing is that arrowing down from the last message while someone is typing will move onto the typing indicator. Arrowing back up while the indicator is still there returns you to the
last sent message; but if you don't move off the typing indicator before it goes away, focus will be blown out of the chat history list entirely when the indicator vanishes.

This can be solved in two ways: Either keep focus from going to the indicator in the first place, or return focus to the last message, or maybe the just-typed one, when the indicator goes away. I'm not sure who would prefer
which.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 09:24:52AM -0700, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap.
And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and
just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as
normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.?? how ever, a few things i dont like with it,
sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will?? not
read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when
using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing?????? the history
of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat
that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the?? beginning of the??
convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your
down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation,
you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to
take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found
that skype for windows 10 from?? the microsoft store works a bit better
for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in
sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus
you with what was?? last said.




--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"No person is your friend who demands your silence or denies your
right to grow." --Alice Walker


Shaun Oliver
 

my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it. however, putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's scripts in the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the fact that towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through JAWS to do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.



On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype scrips! LOL

Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC

At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>




--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt



Shaun Oliver
 

No, that's true, but I don't think you can really protect against Acts Of God. Some insurance companies will not even insure against such things either.


Unfortunately, those things, while they are a natural part of life, are something we can do nothing about. The DSL however, we can do something about, so long as there's a working LTE tower nearby. in which case, you can use your mobile, or dedicated Wireless router to substitute.



On 10/10/2018 04:04, Mike DeZinno wrote:
I hear you about the cloud, but what happens to Skype when your Internet service goes down,
Or like us here in SC waiting for another hurricane which usually means days without electric power or DSL or cable connections.
This is after all life on the web and just like real life nothing in virtual life is a 100% guarantee! LOL

Playing the what if game is fun to a point but history has proven that most of what we fear never happens anyway.

Stay calm, and stay the course,
in the end it usually sorts itself out.

Mike, preparing for a real hurricane in SC

At 08:34 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
well 1 thing people when the cloud goes down, then what.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine














Shaun Oliver
 

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.









Josephine Hirsch
 

Who cares. I am not willing to update Skype, and it makes things harder for me to use it because I can't do the things like before, and no one can hear me on their end whenever I make a phone call, and plus, I am not like the young generations to where they have everything on their phone, even though, I treid to use the new version of Skype..


On 10/9/2018 2:16 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.










Shaun Oliver
 

unfortunately, your unwillingness to update Skype is going to see you without that service when it is finally completely phased out for the older versions.


As for the younger generations, I'd like to point out that I am 43 years of age and have taken to technology as if I were born to it.


Granted, I didn't have an inbuilt CPU in my nappies, but it's your own personal attitude that determines as to how well you adapt to and adopt new technologies.

Skype included.



On 10/10/2018 05:54, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Who cares. I am not willing to update Skype, and it makes things harder for me to use it because I can't do the things like before, and no one can hear me on their end whenever I make a phone call, and plus, I am not like the young generations to where they have everything on their phone, even though, I treid to use the new version of Skype..


On 10/9/2018 2:16 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.











Josephine Hirsch
 

Will you loose all your contacts if you refused to update Skype? I have my updates for Skype Disabled.

I have seen everyonje use their phone for everything.

On 10/9/2018 2:27 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

unfortunately, your unwillingness to update Skype is going to see you without that service when it is finally completely phased out for the older versions.


As for the younger generations, I'd like to point out that I am 43 years of age and have taken to technology as if I were born to it.


Granted, I didn't have an inbuilt CPU in my nappies, but it's your own personal attitude that determines as to how well you adapt to and adopt new technologies.

Skype included.



On 10/10/2018 05:54, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Who cares. I am not willing to update Skype, and it makes things harder for me to use it because I can't do the things like before, and no one can hear me on their end whenever I make a phone call, and plus, I am not like the young generations to where they have everything on their phone, even though, I treid to use the new version of Skype..


On 10/9/2018 2:16 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.












Shaun Oliver
 

what I suspect will happen is the client will simply refuse to login and if it does, it'll be limited functionality at best.


That might mean that your contact list may not populate, which means in a sense, you will have no contacts to sift through.

This doesn't mean you'll lose your contacts, it means that your particular client simply is unable to access them.


Do please bare in mind that what I'm saying is a possibility and based on my own conjecture and thoughts rather than any incontrovertible evidence.


Really people, we had big stinks like when win8 was first released, XP had reached its end of life cycle and when win10 was first introduced. all of you, are quite frankly making mountains out of little more than mole hills.


This isn't the days when developers did as they pleased and didn't or wouldn't listen to their end-users. times and practices and attitudes have drastically changed since then.



On 10/10/2018 06:11, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Will you loose all your contacts if you refused to update Skype? I have my updates for Skype Disabled.

I have seen everyonje use their phone for everything.
On 10/9/2018 2:27 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

unfortunately, your unwillingness to update Skype is going to see you without that service when it is finally completely phased out for the older versions.


As for the younger generations, I'd like to point out that I am 43 years of age and have taken to technology as if I were born to it.


Granted, I didn't have an inbuilt CPU in my nappies, but it's your own personal attitude that determines as to how well you adapt to and adopt new technologies.

Skype included.



On 10/10/2018 05:54, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Who cares. I am not willing to update Skype, and it makes things harder for me to use it because I can't do the things like before, and no one can hear me on their end whenever I make a phone call, and plus, I am not like the young generations to where they have everything on their phone, even though, I treid to use the new version of Skype..


On 10/9/2018 2:16 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.













Doug Lee
 

In the spirit of constructive feedback seeking, I wonder which keystrokes? I do know that my Skype 7 scripts made Alt+numbers read chats but that, years after I started doing that, Skype made Alt+1 through Alt+3 jump to
different screens in Skype. I can't think of any others but wonder if I'm forgetting any.

As far as the Alt+numbers go, I had to make a difficult decision: Change my keystrokes after years because Skype suddenly collided with them and risk ticking off long-term users, or continue using the keys as always and provide
alternate ways to use the new Skype commands, at the risk of ticking off newcomers. I chose the former and pleaded with Skype, before it belonged to Microsoft, to switch to Ctrl+numbers for the screen-switching commands. I
lost.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 05:43:29AM +1030, Shaun Oliver wrote:
my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it. however,
putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's scripts in
the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the fact that
towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already
incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through JAWS to
do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.

On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:

Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype scrips!
LOL
Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC
At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're
arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get
mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype
scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets
me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions
allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest
version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not
doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and
(3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm
doing anyway.
The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free
program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning.
My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and
also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us
not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a
small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and
prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be
usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us
the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever
seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!
Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have
been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
([1]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported
after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.
So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of
warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're
doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one
feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will
seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.
In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like
a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud
infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said
before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was
not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an
evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual
for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end
up lost at sea.
On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us
what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
[2]<blindman75@gmail.com>
To: [3]<skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of
Skype
> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no
longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that
you will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to
stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like
the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype
Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on
Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
--
Doug Lee [4]dgl@dlee.org
[5]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access [6]doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
[7]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men
to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling
with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt



References

1. http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
2. mailto:blindman75@gmail.com
3. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
4. mailto:dgl@dlee.org
5. http://www.dlee.org/
6. mailto:doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
7. http://www.levelaccess.com/
8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
9. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
10. mailto:blindman75@gmail.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
11. https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
13. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
14. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
15. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
16. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Believe, when you are most unhappy, that there is something for you
to do in the world. So long as you can sweeten another's pain, life is
not in vain." --Helen Keller


Shaun Oliver
 

lol yes, I can see that. that was the very thing I was talking about. but, to be fair, you not only had to accomodate long time users, but new users that were just coming to the platform also, so I really can't fault you on  that.

On 10/10/2018 07:55, Doug Lee wrote:
In the spirit of constructive feedback seeking, I wonder which keystrokes? I do know that my Skype 7 scripts made Alt+numbers read chats but that, years after I started doing that, Skype made Alt+1 through Alt+3 jump to
different screens in Skype. I can't think of any others but wonder if I'm forgetting any.

As far as the Alt+numbers go, I had to make a difficult decision: Change my keystrokes after years because Skype suddenly collided with them and risk ticking off long-term users, or continue using the keys as always and provide
alternate ways to use the new Skype commands, at the risk of ticking off newcomers. I chose the former and pleaded with Skype, before it belonged to Microsoft, to switch to Ctrl+numbers for the screen-switching commands. I
lost.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 05:43:29AM +1030, Shaun Oliver wrote:
my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it. however,
putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's scripts in
the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the fact that
towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already
incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through JAWS to
do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.

On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:

Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype scrips!
LOL
Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC
At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're
arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get
mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype
scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets
me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions
allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest
version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not
doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and
(3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm
doing anyway.
The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free
program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning.
My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and
also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us
not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a
small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and
prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be
usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us
the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever
seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!
Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have
been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
([1]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported
after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.
So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of
warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're
doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one
feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will
seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.
In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like
a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud
infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said
before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was
not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an
evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual
for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end
up lost at sea.
On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us
what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
[2]<blindman75@gmail.com>
To: [3]<skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of
Skype
> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no
longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that
you will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to
stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like
the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype
Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on
Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
--
Doug Lee [4]dgl@dlee.org
[5]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access [6]doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
[7]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men
to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling
with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt


References

1. http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
2. mailto:blindman75@gmail.com
3. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
4. mailto:dgl@dlee.org
5. http://www.dlee.org/
6. mailto:doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
7. http://www.levelaccess.com/
8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
9. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
10. mailto:blindman75@gmail.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
11. https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
13. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
14. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
15. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
16. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged


Mike DeZinno
 

Hey Doug,
Regarding your old keystrokes verses apps stepping on you by hijacking them with their newer upgrades:
Could a simple fix just be for you to add the windows key to the key combos?
I only offer that because in recent years I see a number of other adaptive software doing that;
So (alt plus a number) would become (alt win number)
I don't pretend to know a lot about scripting so I don't know if that is or isn't an easy thing to do, just kinda throwing it out there for consideration.

Thanks for all you have already done and for what you will be doing in the future,
Mike, in SC
 


At 08:20 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
lol yes, I can see that. that was the very thing I was talking about. but, to be fair, you not only had to accomodate long time users, but new users that were just coming to the platform also, so I really can't fault you on  that.



On 10/10/2018 07:55, Doug Lee wrote:
In the spirit of constructive feedback seeking, I wonder which keystrokes? I do know that my Skype 7 scripts made Alt+numbers read chats but that, years after I started doing that, Skype made Alt+1 through Alt+3 jump to
different screens in Skype. I can't think of any others but wonder if I'm forgetting any.

As far as the Alt+numbers go, I had to make a difficult decision: Change my keystrokes after years because Skype suddenly collided with them and risk ticking off long-term users, or continue using the keys as always and provide
alternate ways to use the new Skype commands, at the risk of ticking off newcomers. I chose the former and pleaded with Skype, before it belonged to Microsoft, to switch to Ctrl+numbers for the screen-switching commands. I
lost.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 05:43:29AM +1030, Shaun Oliver wrote:
    my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it. however,
    putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's scripts in
    the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the fact that
    towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already
    incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through JAWS to
    do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.

    On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:

    Hey Doug,
    I once met a man who complained about free sex;
    So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype scrips!
    LOL
    Take care and keep the faith,
    Mike, from SC
    At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:

      The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're
      arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get
      mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype
      scripts will no longer
      support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets
      me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions
      allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest
      version of the application.
      But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not
      doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and
      (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm
      doing anyway.
      The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free
      program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning.
      My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and
      also gave us nowhere to go.
      Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us
      not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a
      small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and
      prolific proof that at
      least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be
      usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us
      the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever
      seen, bar none: Open, type into a
      box, press Enter, done!
      Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have
      been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
      ([1]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported
      after the end of this month. That's a loss of
      years of my time, at least arguably.
      So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of
      warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're
      doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one
      feature Clisk used, that being
      the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will
      seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.
      In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like
      a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud
      infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said
      before, is changing how it
      communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was
      not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an
      evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual
      for a weather bulletin lol. But
      really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end
      up lost at sea.
      On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
      well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us
      what to do.
      ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
      [2]<blindman75@...>
      To: [3]<skypeenglish@groups.io>
      Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
      Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of
      Skype
      > as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no
      longer be
      > supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that
      you will
      > either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to
      stop
      > working until it no longer works entirely.
      >
      >
      >
      > On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
      > > Hi all,
      > >
      > >
      > > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like
      the
      > > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype
      Classic
      > > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on
      Skype 8.30
      > > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30
      > >
      > > Thanks,
      > >
      > > Josephine
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      --
      Doug Lee                 [4]dgl@...
      [5]http://www.dlee.org
      Level Access             [6]doug.lee@...
      [7]http://www.LevelAccess.com
      "The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men
      to do
      what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling
      with
      them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt

   

References

    1. http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
    2. mailto:blindman75@...
    3. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
    4. mailto:dgl@...
    5. http://www.dlee.org/
    6. mailto:doug.lee@...
    7. http://www.levelaccess.com/
    8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
    9. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
   10. mailto:blindman75@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
   11. https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
   12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
   13. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
   14. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
   15. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
   16. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged





Doug Lee
 

Alt+Win+numbers can be obnoxious to type frequently, especially when a keyboard has only one Alt or Windows key. Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers are much less challenging even in such a case because the thumb can hold down one key
but not reliably two. This is my finding anyway.

To the original concern in this subthread though: I try not to override application keystrokes that exist before I start coding stuff. Skype just bit me by suddenly attaching functionality to keys I had been using for a long
time already, and even across multiple chat programs.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 09:26:01AM -0400, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Hey Doug,
Regarding your old keystrokes verses apps stepping on you by hijacking
them with their newer upgrades:
Could a simple fix just be for you to add the windows key to the key
combos?
I only offer that because in recent years I see a number of other
adaptive software doing that;
So (alt plus a number) would become (alt win number)
I don't pretend to know a lot about scripting so I don't know if that
is or isn't an easy thing to do, just kinda throwing it out there for
consideration.
Thanks for all you have already done and for what you will be doing in
the future,
Mike, in SC

At 08:20 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:

lol yes, I can see that. that was the very thing I was talking
about. but, to be fair, you not only had to accomodate long time
users, but new users that were just coming to the platform also, so
I really can't fault you on that.
On 10/10/2018 07:55, Doug Lee wrote:

In the spirit of constructive feedback seeking, I wonder which
keystrokes? I do know that my Skype 7 scripts made Alt+numbers read
chats but that, years after I started doing that, Skype made Alt+1
through Alt+3 jump to
different screens in Skype. I can't think of any others but wonder
if I'm forgetting any.
As far as the Alt+numbers go, I had to make a difficult decision:
Change my keystrokes after years because Skype suddenly collided
with them and risk ticking off long-term users, or continue using
the keys as always and provide
alternate ways to use the new Skype commands, at the risk of ticking
off newcomers. I chose the former and pleaded with Skype, before it
belonged to Microsoft, to switch to Ctrl+numbers for the
screen-switching commands. I
lost.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 05:43:29AM +1030, Shaun Oliver wrote:
my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it.
however,
putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's
scripts in
the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the
fact that
towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already
incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through
JAWS to
do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.
On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype
scrips!
LOL
Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC
At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that
we're
arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes
get
mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the
Skype
scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it
lets
me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions
allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the
newest
version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1)
not
doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a
reason, and
(3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free
what I'm
doing anyway.
The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a
free
program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little
warning.
My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning
and
also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also
given us
not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And
despite a
small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely
solid and
prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be
usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft
gave us
the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have
ever
seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!
Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it
should have
been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
([1][1]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely
unsupported
after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.
So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave
plenty of
warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're
doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one
feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will
seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.
In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be
treated like
a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud.
Cloud
infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I
said
before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7
was
not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an
evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is
unusual
for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly
will end
up lost at sea.
On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise
wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell
us
what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
[2]<blindman75@gmail.com>
To: [3]<skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new
version of
Skype
> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will
no
longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means
that
you will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin
to
stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I
like
the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on
Skype
Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me
on
Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype
8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
--
Doug Lee [4]dgl@dlee.org
[5][2]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access [6]doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
[7]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick
good men
to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from
meddling
with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt

References
1. [3]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
2. [4]mailto:blindman75@gmail.com
3. [5]mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
4. [6]mailto:dgl@dlee.org
5. [7]http://www.dlee.org/
6. [8]mailto:doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
7. [9]http://www.levelaccess.com/
8. [10]https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
9.
[11]mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeengl
ish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Sky
pe
10.
[12]mailto:blindman75@gmail.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5B
skypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%2
0of%20Skype
11. [13]https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
12. [14]https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
13. [15]http://www.dlee.org/skype/
14. [16]https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
15. [17]mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
16. [18]https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged



References

1. http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
2. http://www.dlee.org/
3. http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
4. mailto:blindman75@gmail.com
5. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
6. mailto:dgl@dlee.org
7. http://www.dlee.org/
8. mailto:doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
9. http://www.levelaccess.com/
10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
11. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io%3Fsubject=Re:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
12. mailto:blindman75@gmail.com%3Fsubject=Private:%20Re:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
13. https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
14. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
15. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
16. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
17. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
18. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged
19. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3408
20. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
21. mailto:mike@mikedezinno.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
22. https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
23. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
24. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
25. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
26. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
27. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them
to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum


Mike DeZinno
 

Hello Doug,
thank you for the key application enlightenment.
Some wise person once said that all disabilities aren't equal.
I guess adding to that the myriad of devices and personalized configurations the blind can use today makes finding unique keystrokes when scripting that are also possible to execute  a real challenge.
Again another reason to thank you and appreciate your work on our behalf.

Respectfully,
Mike, in SC
 

At 10:45 AM 10/10/2018, you wrote:
Alt+Win+numbers can be obnoxious to type frequently, especially when a keyboard has only one Alt or Windows key. Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers are much less challenging even in such a case because the thumb can hold down one key
but not reliably two. This is my finding anyway.

To the original concern in this subthread though: I try not to override application keystrokes that exist before I start coding stuff. Skype just bit me by suddenly attaching functionality to keys I had been using for a long
time already, and even across multiple chat programs.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 09:26:01AM -0400, Mike DeZinno wrote:
   Hey Doug,
   Regarding your old keystrokes verses apps stepping on you by hijacking
   them with their newer upgrades:
   Could a simple fix just be for you to add the windows key to the key
   combos?
   I only offer that because in recent years I see a number of other
   adaptive software doing that;
   So (alt plus a number) would become (alt win number)
   I don't pretend to know a lot about scripting so I don't know if that
   is or isn't an easy thing to do, just kinda throwing it out there for
   consideration.
   Thanks for all you have already done and for what you will be doing in
   the future,
   Mike, in SC

   At 08:20 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:

     lol yes, I can see that. that was the very thing I was talking
     about. but, to be fair, you not only had to accomodate long time
     users, but new users that were just coming to the platform also, so
     I really can't fault you on  that.
     On 10/10/2018 07:55, Doug Lee wrote:

     In the spirit of constructive feedback seeking, I wonder which
     keystrokes? I do know that my Skype 7 scripts made Alt+numbers read
     chats but that, years after I started doing that, Skype made Alt+1
     through Alt+3 jump to
     different screens in Skype. I can't think of any others but wonder
     if I'm forgetting any.
     As far as the Alt+numbers go, I had to make a difficult decision:
     Change my keystrokes after years because Skype suddenly collided
     with them and risk ticking off long-term users, or continue using
     the keys as always and provide
     alternate ways to use the new Skype commands, at the risk of ticking
     off newcomers. I chose the former and pleaded with Skype, before it
     belonged to Microsoft, to switch to Ctrl+numbers for the
     screen-switching commands. I
     lost.
     On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 05:43:29AM +1030, Shaun Oliver wrote:
         my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it.
     however,
         putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's
     scripts in
         the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the
     fact that
         towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already
         incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through
     JAWS to
         do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.
         On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:
         Hey Doug,
         I once met a man who complained about free sex;
         So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype
     scrips!
         LOL
         Take care and keep the faith,
         Mike, from SC
         At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
           The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that
     we're
           arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes
     get
           mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the
     Skype
           scripts will no longer
           support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it
     lets
           me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions
           allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the
     newest
           version of the application.
           But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1)
     not
           doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a
     reason, and
           (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free
     what I'm
           doing anyway.
           The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a
     free
           program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little
     warning.
           My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning
     and
           also gave us nowhere to go.
           Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also
     given us
           not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And
     despite a
           small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely
     solid and
           prolific proof that at
           least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be
           usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft
     gave us
           the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have
     ever
           seen, bar none: Open, type into a
           box, press Enter, done!
           Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it
     should have
           been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
           ([1][1]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely
     unsupported
           after the end of this month. That's a loss of
           years of my time, at least arguably.
           So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave
     plenty of
           warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're
           doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one
           feature Clisk used, that being
           the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will
           seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.
           In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be
     treated like
           a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud.
     Cloud
           infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I
     said
           before, is changing how it
           communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7
     was
           not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an
           evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is
     unusual
           for a weather bulletin lol. But
           really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly
     will end
           up lost at sea.
           On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise
     wrote:
           well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell
     us
           what to do.
           ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
           [2]<blindman75@...>
           To: [3]<skypeenglish@groups.io>
           Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
           Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new
     version of
           Skype
           > as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will
     no
           longer be
           > supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means
     that
           you will
           > either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin
     to
           stop
           > working until it no longer works entirely.
           >
           >
           >
           > On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
           > > Hi all,
           > >
           > >
           > > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I
     like
           the
           > > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on
     Skype
           Classic
           > > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me
     on
           Skype 8.30
           > > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype
     8.30
           > >
           > > Thanks,
           > >
           > > Josephine
           > >
           > >
           > >
           >
           >
           >
           >
           --
           Doug Lee                 [4]dgl@...
           [5][2]http://www.dlee.org
           Level Access             [6]doug.lee@...
           [7]http://www.LevelAccess.com
           "The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick
     good men
           to do
           what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from
     meddling
           with
           them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt

     References
         1. [3]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
         2. [4]mailto:blindman75@...
         3. [5]mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
         4. [6]mailto:dgl@...
         5. [7]http://www.dlee.org/
         6. [8]mailto:doug.lee@...
         7. [9]http://www.levelaccess.com/
         8. [10]https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
         9.
     [11]mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeengl
     ish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Sky
     pe
        10.
     [12]mailto:blindman75@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5B
     skypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%2
     0of%20Skype
        11. [13]https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
        12. [14]https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
        13. [15]http://www.dlee.org/skype/
        14. [16]https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
        15. [17]mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
        16. [18]https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

  

References

   1. http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
   2. http://www.dlee.org/
   3. http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
   4. mailto:blindman75@...
   5. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
   6. mailto:dgl@...
   7. http://www.dlee.org/
   8. mailto:doug.lee@...
   9. http://www.levelaccess.com/
  10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
  11. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io%3Fsubject=Re:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
  12. mailto:blindman75@...%3Fsubject=Private:%20Re:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
  13. https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
  14. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
  15. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
  16. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
  17. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
  18. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged
  19. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3408
  20. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
  21. mailto:mike@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
  22. https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
  23. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
  24. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
  25. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
  26. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
  27. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
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