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refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Josephine Hirsch
 

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

Doug Lee
 

Somewhere around the end of this month, Skype classic will simply stop working. I don't know if it will refuse to log in, refuse to run, auto update without asking, or what. But Microsoft is clear on saying that Skype 7,
classic, will no longer function. Microsoft is changing the methods of communication among our Skypes, so older clients would naturallly start having problems anyway.

On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:19:40PM -0500, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype
Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype
8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I
tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine




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new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov

Josephine Hirsch
 

With new version of Skype, I could never get Skype to where someone can hear me, and I tried to set it up and no go with that one.

On 10/8/2018 9:32 PM, Doug Lee wrote:
Somewhere around the end of this month, Skype classic will simply stop working. I don't know if it will refuse to log in, refuse to run, auto update without asking, or what. But Microsoft is clear on saying that Skype 7,
classic, will no longer function. Microsoft is changing the methods of communication among our Skypes, so older clients would naturallly start having problems anyway.

On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:19:40PM -0500, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype
Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype
8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I
tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine



Sarah k Alawami
 

Im guessing that skype 7 will simply just quit working.when was the last time you tried skype 8.30 as I have had no issues.

On 8 Oct 2018, at 19:19, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,

What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

Josephine Hirsch
 

Just now, and it is not working out for me

On 10/8/2018 9:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Im guessing that skype 7 will simply just quit working.when was the last time you tried skype 8.30 as I have had no issues.

On 8 Oct 2018, at 19:19, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine


Shaun Oliver
 

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.

On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine


Joseph Machise
 

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine



Shaun Oliver
 

moreover, before anybody says ms can't do this, they can and they have.

On 9/10/2018 13:04, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
With new version of Skype, I could never get Skype to where someone can hear me, and I tried to set it up and no go with that one.


On 10/8/2018 9:32 PM, Doug Lee wrote:
Somewhere around the end of this month, Skype classic will simply stop working. I don't know if it will refuse to log in, refuse to run, auto update without asking, or what. But Microsoft is clear on saying that Skype 7,
classic, will no longer function. Microsoft is changing the methods of communication among our Skypes, so older clients would naturallly start having problems anyway.

On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:19:40PM -0500, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype
Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype
8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I
tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine




Shaun Oliver
 

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.

On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine





Joseph Machise
 

you no if I get the money i will.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine






Shaun Oliver
 

well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly, as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both. I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code perspective as well.

On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:
you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine








Joseph Machise
 

well Shaun, there is no reason we have to go threw this, just herd on the news that Microsoft just did a update, and thousands of files were lost, in my view, they don't take the blind in to very much consideration

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly, as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both. I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:
you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine









Shaun Oliver
 

I might also add, that apple and google also are similar in how they make you update, be it hardware or software.


the only way you're going to get any joy and keep what you want around for years is with GNU/Linus, and what's that cost? 50 cents to burn it to a DVD dump it in your drive, boot up, run the live installer, reformat the drive, and bingo a fully customiseable operating system that you can make look, feel and work how you want and keep it that way. oh, and with even more limitations than apple or google or ms. either way, there's good and bad points for all of them.

On 9/10/2018 21:58, Shaun Oliver wrote:
well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly, as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both. I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:
you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine










Shaun Oliver
 

yeah and how much of that data loss could have been avoided if people employed standard backup practices?


That is not limited to blind people only. That's a human condition. people don't regularly backup, and as a result, they do an update, something goes wrong with it, and they lose their data. well, they were warned. Every time a major update has been released, the warning is always there, right for all to see, backup your data otherwise there is the possibility you'll lose it. if you don't take that to heart, then blind or not, it's your own fault if you lose it.


but again, in terms of skype, and back to my original point, MS can, have and will deploy updates as they like, and as we signed up for their service, we accepted that to be the case. by installing it, we gave our tacit approval fore them to update as they like.


Please, this is a list to help people run Skype, not bemoan the fact it's changing far beyond anything you're comfortable with.

Let go of this idea of deprecated software being better, because it really isn't. and learn to work with what we have. learn also to give constructive criticism as opposed to I want this back, or, I hate this vendor or, pooh pooh to that organisation because they don't do things how "I" want them.

On 9/10/2018 22:02, Joseph Machise wrote:
well Shaun, there is no reason we have to go threw this, just herd on the news that Microsoft just did a update, and thousands of files were lost, in my view, they don't take the blind in to very much consideration
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly, as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both. I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:
you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine











Doug Lee
 

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine







--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt

Shaun Oliver
 

Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.

On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine




Joseph Machise
 

well 1 thing people when the cloud goes down, then what.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine





Doug Lee
 

That is exactly like asking, "What happens when the Internet goes down?" The very nature of "the cloud" is redundancy, meaning, many many servers coordinating to make sure that there is not one point of weakness that can cause
the whole thing to die. Of course, if the Internet goes down, Skype will be the least of our worries; and so it is with the cloud.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 08:34:50AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well 1 thing people when the cloud goes down, then what.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the
three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It
was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so
years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight
irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain
goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're
arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad
at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts
will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me
do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or
when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the
application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing
it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3)
cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing
anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free
program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My
complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also
gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not
one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small
number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific
proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable.
It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the
easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar
none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have
been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
(http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the
end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of
warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing,
and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk
used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously
miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a
hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud
infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said
before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not
ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation
order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather
bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end
up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what
to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no
longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that
you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine









--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"There are no guarantees. From a standpoint of fear, none are
strong enough. From a standpoint of love, none are necessary."
- from Emmanuel's Book II

Shaun Oliver
 

you're still thinking in limited terms. The internet was always based on a redundancy type system.


This means, when something fell over in one location, the data was still recoverable as it was symoltaniously available in another location and so on. Cloud Computing is not, a new concept. Cloud Computing has been around as long as the internet in many respects, and most libraries in the early 80s had this kind of a system where it was a dumb terminal and the information was stored on the mainframe.

This is in many respects what we're heading back towards. a thin client, with all the relevent information stored elsewhere so as to provide the end user with increases in performance and speed etc.

So really, it'd take an EMP of epic proportions to knock out the Cloud entirely.

On 9/10/2018 23:04, Joseph Machise wrote:
well 1 thing people when the cloud goes down, then what.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine







Pete
 

Lots and lots of precipitation?

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Machise
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:34 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

well 1 thing people when the cloud goes down, then what.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine