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NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)


Doug Lee
 

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10, formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp" on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how
they live." -- Nancy Moser


Bill White
 

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer
I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause
problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how
they live." -- Nancy Moser


Bill White
 

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts. It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer
I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause
problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how
they live." -- Nancy Moser


John Holcomb II
 

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts. It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live."
-- Nancy Moser


Bill White
 

Hi, John. You are way too logical for me. That's exactly where it is
located, in the Start menu. For some reason, I was thinking that the
uninstall option for the Skype Scripts was somewhere within the JAWS menus.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts. It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live."
-- Nancy Moser


Hamza Ahmad
 

The uninstaller can be placed in programs and features because NSIS
builder supports reg query functions. As for placing an uninstaller
within JAWS menu or in the JAWS utility folder, it will require the
admin rights to work. In the common scripting elements section on Ddug
website states that all installer file do not require administrator
permission. It means that installers are specifically built for
current user.
We can request the author to include the installer in programs and
features list.
Best

On 6/30/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, John. You are way too logical for me. That's exactly where it is
located, in the Start menu. For some reason, I was thinking that the
uninstall option for the Skype Scripts was somewhere within the JAWS menus.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf
Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts.
It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as
I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the
fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical
to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them
manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the
old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will
not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for
Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing
for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue
being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have
pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they
live."
-- Nancy Moser

























--
Hamza Ahmad

I am What I know not Even.

Connect through:

· Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/hafiz.hamzaahmad.9>

· Mobile <+923054108223>

· Twitter <https://twitter.com/sirhamzaahmad>

· LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamza-ahmad-9190a8175/>

· GitHub <https://github.com/literary-programmer>


Doug Lee
 

I would not put the uninstaller in both the Start menu and Programs and Features at the same time, but I would listen if anyone has a compelling reason that I should change from using the Start menu to using Programs and
Features. Installers will continue to run without requiring admin rights in any case; that helps in some professional settings I encounter. Whatever I do needs to work across a fair number of Windows versions as well.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 08:25:08AM +0500, Hamza Ahmad wrote:
The uninstaller can be placed in programs and features because NSIS
builder supports reg query functions. As for placing an uninstaller
within JAWS menu or in the JAWS utility folder, it will require the
admin rights to work. In the common scripting elements section on Ddug
website states that all installer file do not require administrator
permission. It means that installers are specifically built for
current user.
We can request the author to include the installer in programs and
features list.
Best

On 6/30/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, John. You are way too logical for me. That's exactly where it is
located, in the Start menu. For some reason, I was thinking that the
uninstall option for the Skype Scripts was somewhere within the JAWS menus.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf
Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts.
It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as
I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the
fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical
to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them
manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the
old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will
not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for
Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing
for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue
being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have
pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they
live."
-- Nancy Moser


























--
Hamza Ahmad

I am What I know not Even.

Connect through:

· Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/hafiz.hamzaahmad.9>

· Mobile <+923054108223>

· Twitter <https://twitter.com/sirhamzaahmad>

· LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamza-ahmad-9190a8175/>

· GitHub <https://github.com/literary-programmer>



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov