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Jerry Pryde
Hi all.
I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well.
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Doug Lee
I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
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don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010)
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Mich Verrier
Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts
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I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich.
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From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote: Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010)
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Michele Barbi
Effectively on my hand Windows defender is actually complaining, though I didn’t have issues in downloading the scripts, I think it’s because I don’t use Internet Explorer but I passed to Google Chrome. What I get though is a warning from Smart Screen as soon as I try to launch the executable. If that happens for someone else, do the following:
1. press tab till you find “further information” link, and activate it, but be careful because since some tests I run you need to use spacebar and not enter, even if it’s recognized as a link; 2. use tab again till you find “run anyway” button, and press space to activate it. Now you authorized to run this file and you’ll get the main installer page; you will get a warning if you want to uninstall older scripts if you already have them, this is normal and harmless. Bye! Barbuz
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Doug Lee
That message is in my first category; it shows up when the download is not known by sites that rate downloads by perceived safety. Simply put, it was a new script release; so it was not "commonly downloaded" yet. :-)
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And you probably do need to restart JAWS to get the scripts to load. That's a JAWS bug I should report, if I haven't already; it's been around for quite a while by now.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:34:42PM -0400, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich. -----Original Message----- From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote: Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010) -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled. --anon
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Mich Verrier
Hi again Dug I did un load and re load jaws and when I hit incert q all jaws says is google crome settings are loaded the application that is running is skype then it spells it out but I hear no number or anything. Also it says I have 1 un red message but I hve no un red messages so I am not shure if that is a bug or not. Hth. From Mich.
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From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: June 30, 2020 3:24 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded That message is in my first category; it shows up when the download is not known by sites that rate downloads by perceived safety. Simply put, it was a new script release; so it was not "commonly downloaded" yet. :-) And you probably do need to restart JAWS to get the scripts to load. That's a JAWS bug I should report, if I haven't already; it's been around for quite a while by now. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:34:42PM -0400, Mich Verrier wrote: Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich. -----Original Message----- From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote: Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.� Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010) -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled. --anon
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Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Doug. Often using speech with Microsoft Edge and Firefox, trying to find
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the Download Anyway button and bypass the warning is almost impossible. The only recourse we sometimes have is to disable the protective software. My antivirus will alert me most of the time if there is a real threat, and I don't want layers of warnings that I have to consistently defeat. Bill White billwhite92701@...
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From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:18 AM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote: Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010)
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Jerry Pryde
Thanks billions Doug.
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I enabled Windows Defender immediately after the download was completed.
On 2020-06-30 2:18 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
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Michele Barbi
Hi Mich, now that I figure out you're running such old versions of JAWS, such as 18 and 2018, right? I think you also need to install scripts load manager then, which is necessary to make Skype scripts load properly under JAWS version below than the august 2019 update for JFW 2019. Here it's the direct link for this package: http://www.dlee.org/slman/jfw_slman.exe For the 1 number that you hear, if you don't find any chat message try to focus the notification panel, hotkey should be ctrl+i if I am not wrong. Bye!Barbuz -- Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10
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