On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 04:11:01PM -0800, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I now also have the windows 10 essentials add on. I heard that skype is
integrated into that, I mean some skype support. What changes do you
know of for nvda users in regard to skype, or would I have to take this
up with Joseph who is not to my knowledge on said list.

Take care

On 7 Jan 2019, at 15:52, Doug Lee wrote:

I am hearing today that some people are being spontaneously upgraded
from Skype 7 (Classic) to Skype 8 (Electron). I believe this is on
Windows, but it would not surprise me if MacOS is also included. I
assume this is one of
those wave-by-wave Microsoft rollouts. If so, it is occurring a few
months later than Microsoft announced it would at least.
Perhaps useful resource reminders:
JAWS scripts for Skype 8 are at
[1]https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ These work with JAWS
versions 17 and later. (The JAWS 17 limit is imposed by older JAWS
versions not working well in general with Electron apps like Skype
8.)
A simple NVDA add-on for Skype 8 is at
[2]https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon
To answer one frequently-asked question before it gets asked on this
list: I did not implement Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers for reading
chat messages in either JAWS or NVDA because of the way the chat
history is organized in
Skype 8. In short, I am not convinced that there is a reliable way
for scripts or add-ons to announce the "last" message, because it
can at any moment happen not to be on screen due to scrolling or
message arrival without
scrolling.
My preferred way to read chat messages, in both JAWS and NVDA and
Skype 8, is to Shift+Tab from the chat input box to the message list
and then use arrows to move among messages.
Skype 7 was a wonderful app for us. I find Skype 8 usable, slim,
fast, and overall pretty efficient for my needs, though not as
feature-rich as Skype 7. Our focus will now need to be on learning
to use this newer Skype, and on
helping Microsoft improve it as necessary.
One final note, based on past message threads: Let us not diverge
from here into a discussion of the merits of Skype 7 versus 8, the
wisdom or folly of Microsoft's replacement of Skype 7, etc. That
horse is so dead the the
flies buzzed off half a year ago. :-) I instead wish for everyone
the best possible experience with Skype 8, and I plan to remain
active as necessary in addressing any issues with it that may appear
in the future.
--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org [3]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com [4]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Never does the human soul appear so strong as when it foregoes
revenge, and dares forgive an injury." --E. H. Chapin



References

1. https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/
2. https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon
3. http://www.dlee.org/
4. http://www.LevelAccess.com/
5. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3607
6. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype%207%20to%208%20upgrades%20underway%20apparently
7. mailto:marrie12@gmail.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype%207%20to%208%20upgrades%20underway%20apparently
8. https://groups.io/mt/28968654/409874
9. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
10. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
12. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
13. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Maturity is knowing that the world owes you nothing. Freedom is knowing you owe it the same. Character is how
you respond to the knowing." --Jack Kincaid

On 1/8/2019 10:47 AM, jazzyjennifer wrote:

i am all ready using skype 8 i don't need to upgrade, when i thought that microsoft was going to stop support in september, of 2018 i just decided to jump the gun, and upgrade, and just leave it that way, eve after i herd taht microsoft was going to extend, the clasic skype. i just decided to swtick with 8. and not down grade, since i new that eventuly i was going to have to upgrade,  weather i was forced, or what. to upgrade, i find skype 8 not all taht bad. actuly. sure the interface, is different, then what were use to.

On 08/01/2019 3:52 a.m., Michele Barbi wrote:

Hello guys, well really some friends of mine were forcely upgraded since a bit of time, one of them during this holidays period I think...
For those who asked for the hotkeys list, try clicking here: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-keyboard-shortcuts-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype
The table also contains Mac hotkeys btw.
Bye!
Barbuz

At 07:05 PM 1/7/2019, you wrote:

Thanks billions, Doug.

I'll be looking into upgrading JAWS ASAP.

I tried to make a call this afternoon, and just after the call connected, Skype 7 unloaded, and the update notice came up.

A link to an updated list of hot keys for skype 8 would be appreciated, along with any tutorials if possible.

I'll be back on skype, and learning anything new; it's just a matter of time.

It is what it is. lol

Jerry.


On 07/01/2019 6:52 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:

I am hearing today that some people are being spontaneously upgraded from Skype 7 (Classic) to Skype 8 (Electron). I believe this is on Windows, but it would not surprise me if MacOS is also included. I assume this is one of
those wave-by-wave Microsoft rollouts. If so, it is occurring a few months later than Microsoft announced it would at least.

Perhaps useful resource reminders:

JAWS scripts for Skype 8 are at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ These work with JAWS versions 17 and later. (The JAWS 17 limit is imposed by older JAWS versions not working well in general with Electron apps like Skype 8.)

A simple NVDA add-on for Skype 8 is at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

To answer one frequently-asked question before it gets asked on this list: I did not implement Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers for reading chat messages in either JAWS or NVDA because of the way the chat history is organized in
Skype 8. In short, I am not convinced that there is a reliable way for scripts or add-ons to announce the "last" message, because it can at any moment happen not to be on screen due to scrolling or message arrival without
scrolling.

My preferred way to read chat messages, in both JAWS and NVDA and Skype 8, is to Shift+Tab from the chat input box to the message list and then use arrows to move among messages.

Skype 7 was a wonderful app for us. I find Skype 8 usable, slim, fast, and overall pretty efficient for my needs, though not as feature-rich as Skype 7. Our focus will now need to be on learning to use this newer Skype, and on
helping Microsoft improve it as necessary.

One final note, based on past message threads: Let us not diverge from here into a discussion of the merits of Skype 7 versus 8, the wisdom or folly of Microsoft's replacement of Skype 7, etc. That horse is so dead the the
flies buzzed off half a year ago. :-) I instead wish for everyone the best possible experience with Skype 8, and I plan to remain active as necessary in addressing any issues with it that may appear in the future.

On 7 Jan 2019, at 20:34, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

? how can I use voice chat with Skype Electron?

On 1/7/2019 6:11 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I now also have the windows 10 essentials add on. I heard that skype is integrated into that, I mean some skype support. What changes do you know of for nvda users in regard to skype, or would I have to take this up with Joseph who is not to my knowledge on said list.

Take care

On 7 Jan 2019, at 15:52, Doug Lee wrote:

I am hearing today that some people are being spontaneously upgraded from Skype 7 (Classic) to Skype 8 (Electron). I believe this is on Windows, but it would not surprise me if MacOS is also included. I assume this is one of
those wave-by-wave Microsoft rollouts. If so, it is occurring a few months later than Microsoft announced it would at least.

Perhaps useful resource reminders:

JAWS scripts for Skype 8 are at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ These work with JAWS versions 17 and later. (The JAWS 17 limit is imposed by older JAWS versions not working well in general with Electron apps like Skype 8.)

A simple NVDA add-on for Skype 8 is at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

To answer one frequently-asked question before it gets asked on this list: I did not implement Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers for reading chat messages in either JAWS or NVDA because of the way the chat history is organized in
Skype 8. In short, I am not convinced that there is a reliable way for scripts or add-ons to announce the "last" message, because it can at any moment happen not to be on screen due to scrolling or message arrival without
scrolling.

My preferred way to read chat messages, in both JAWS and NVDA and Skype 8, is to Shift+Tab from the chat input box to the message list and then use arrows to move among messages.

Skype 7 was a wonderful app for us. I find Skype 8 usable, slim, fast, and overall pretty efficient for my needs, though not as feature-rich as Skype 7. Our focus will now need to be on learning to use this newer Skype, and on
helping Microsoft improve it as necessary.

One final note, based on past message threads: Let us not diverge from here into a discussion of the merits of Skype 7 versus 8, the wisdom or folly of Microsoft's replacement of Skype 7, etc. That horse is so dead the the
flies buzzed off half a year ago. :-) I instead wish for everyone the best possible experience with Skype 8, and I plan to remain active as necessary in addressing any issues with it that may appear in the future.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Never does the human soul appear so strong as when it foregoes
revenge, and dares forgive an injury." --E. H. Chapin

I now also have the windows 10 essentials add on. I heard that skype is integrated into that, I mean some skype support. What changes do you know of for nvda users in regard to skype, or would I have to take this up with Joseph who is not to my knowledge on said list.

Take care

On 7 Jan 2019, at 15:52, Doug Lee wrote:

I am hearing today that some people are being spontaneously upgraded from Skype 7 (Classic) to Skype 8 (Electron). I believe this is on Windows, but it would not surprise me if MacOS is also included. I assume this is one of
those wave-by-wave Microsoft rollouts. If so, it is occurring a few months later than Microsoft announced it would at least.

Perhaps useful resource reminders:

JAWS scripts for Skype 8 are at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ These work with JAWS versions 17 and later. (The JAWS 17 limit is imposed by older JAWS versions not working well in general with Electron apps like Skype 8.)

A simple NVDA add-on for Skype 8 is at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

To answer one frequently-asked question before it gets asked on this list: I did not implement Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers for reading chat messages in either JAWS or NVDA because of the way the chat history is organized in
Skype 8. In short, I am not convinced that there is a reliable way for scripts or add-ons to announce the "last" message, because it can at any moment happen not to be on screen due to scrolling or message arrival without
scrolling.

My preferred way to read chat messages, in both JAWS and NVDA and Skype 8, is to Shift+Tab from the chat input box to the message list and then use arrows to move among messages.

Skype 7 was a wonderful app for us. I find Skype 8 usable, slim, fast, and overall pretty efficient for my needs, though not as feature-rich as Skype 7. Our focus will now need to be on learning to use this newer Skype, and on
helping Microsoft improve it as necessary.

One final note, based on past message threads: Let us not diverge from here into a discussion of the merits of Skype 7 versus 8, the wisdom or folly of Microsoft's replacement of Skype 7, etc. That horse is so dead the the
flies buzzed off half a year ago. :-) I instead wish for everyone the best possible experience with Skype 8, and I plan to remain active as necessary in addressing any issues with it that may appear in the future.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Never does the human soul appear so strong as when it foregoes
revenge, and dares forgive an injury." --E. H. Chapin

On 7 Jan 2019, at 15:52, Doug Lee wrote:

I am hearing today that some people are being spontaneously upgraded from Skype 7 (Classic) to Skype 8 (Electron). I believe this is on Windows, but it would not surprise me if MacOS is also included. I assume this is one of
those wave-by-wave Microsoft rollouts. If so, it is occurring a few months later than Microsoft announced it would at least.

Perhaps useful resource reminders:

JAWS scripts for Skype 8 are at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ These work with JAWS versions 17 and later. (The JAWS 17 limit is imposed by older JAWS versions not working well in general with Electron apps like Skype 8.)

A simple NVDA add-on for Skype 8 is at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

To answer one frequently-asked question before it gets asked on this list: I did not implement Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers for reading chat messages in either JAWS or NVDA because of the way the chat history is organized in
Skype 8. In short, I am not convinced that there is a reliable way for scripts or add-ons to announce the "last" message, because it can at any moment happen not to be on screen due to scrolling or message arrival without
scrolling.

My preferred way to read chat messages, in both JAWS and NVDA and Skype 8, is to Shift+Tab from the chat input box to the message list and then use arrows to move among messages.

Skype 7 was a wonderful app for us. I find Skype 8 usable, slim, fast, and overall pretty efficient for my needs, though not as feature-rich as Skype 7. Our focus will now need to be on learning to use this newer Skype, and on
helping Microsoft improve it as necessary.

One final note, based on past message threads: Let us not diverge from here into a discussion of the merits of Skype 7 versus 8, the wisdom or folly of Microsoft's replacement of Skype 7, etc. That horse is so dead the the
flies buzzed off half a year ago. :-) I instead wish for everyone the best possible experience with Skype 8, and I plan to remain active as necessary in addressing any issues with it that may appear in the future.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Never does the human soul appear so strong as when it foregoes
revenge, and dares forgive an injury." --E. H. Chapin

On 07/01/2019 6:52 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:

I am hearing today that some people are being spontaneously upgraded from Skype 7 (Classic) to Skype 8 (Electron). I believe this is on Windows, but it would not surprise me if MacOS is also included. I assume this is one of
those wave-by-wave Microsoft rollouts. If so, it is occurring a few months later than Microsoft announced it would at least.

Perhaps useful resource reminders:

JAWS scripts for Skype 8 are at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ These work with JAWS versions 17 and later. (The JAWS 17 limit is imposed by older JAWS versions not working well in general with Electron apps like Skype 8.)

A simple NVDA add-on for Skype 8 is at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

To answer one frequently-asked question before it gets asked on this list: I did not implement Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers for reading chat messages in either JAWS or NVDA because of the way the chat history is organized in
Skype 8. In short, I am not convinced that there is a reliable way for scripts or add-ons to announce the "last" message, because it can at any moment happen not to be on screen due to scrolling or message arrival without
scrolling.

My preferred way to read chat messages, in both JAWS and NVDA and Skype 8, is to Shift+Tab from the chat input box to the message list and then use arrows to move among messages.

Skype 7 was a wonderful app for us. I find Skype 8 usable, slim, fast, and overall pretty efficient for my needs, though not as feature-rich as Skype 7. Our focus will now need to be on learning to use this newer Skype, and on
helping Microsoft improve it as necessary.

One final note, based on past message threads: Let us not diverge from here into a discussion of the merits of Skype 7 versus 8, the wisdom or folly of Microsoft's replacement of Skype 7, etc. That horse is so dead the the
flies buzzed off half a year ago. :-) I instead wish for everyone the best possible experience with Skype 8, and I plan to remain active as necessary in addressing any issues with it that may appear in the future.