Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven’t been left behind yet. That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis!  **KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
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Amen, Lewis!
I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and
fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those
31 years since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change.
And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who
couldn't join a little league team;
"the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't
do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just
asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental
answers.
State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and
wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just
accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend,
Mike in SC
Â
At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hello friends,
I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been
argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule.
The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world
goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype.
All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other
to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities,
so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the
needed accessibility fixes come along.
As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements
regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven’t been
left behind yet.
That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the
willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are
comfortable with existing programs,
which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are
developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition
.
We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how
much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry
messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new
skype?
Catcha later from Lewis!
Â
**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free.
www.avg.com
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|
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the
below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given
out.
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons
for the questions in the first place.
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as
opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at
the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like
to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product
remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to
overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least
try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said
conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said
end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure
implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring
back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache,
even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little
need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm
seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own
community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to
be.
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being
done away with, because they have security holes and are based on
now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for
instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three
years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the
internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or
corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years,
before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world
over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue
to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else
they interact with at risk.
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because
what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and
calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those
in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are
there in future iterations of said software and your lives and
mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the
myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in
insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an
experience as they enjoy currently.
On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Amen, Lewis!
I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same
scare and
fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year
for those
31 years since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change.
And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind
kid who
couldn't join a little league team;
"the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you
can't
do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we
just
asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental
answers.
State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a
few, and
wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how
to just
accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend,
Mike in SC
Â
At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends,
I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has
been
argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule.
The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in
the world
goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype.
All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping
each other
to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest
abilities,
so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the
program, as the
needed accessibility fixes come along.
As long as blind people have been using computers, the
improvements
regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we
haven’t been
left behind yet.
That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility
and the
willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we
are
comfortable with existing programs,
which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements
are
developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth
transition .
We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility.
Just think how
much someone like myself could have learned if all of these
angry
messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using
the new
skype?
Catcha later from Lewis!
Â
**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free.
www.avg.com
|
|
"insure that the things you want and
need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine,
will be considerably better for it".
Â
Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still
worse than Windows XP was for me.
It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse
forever.
I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it
still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad),
the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has
some limitations, the other email client have some missing features
etc.
Â
And I can tell you that I tried very many other
alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all
the features I need.
Â
If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment,
all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be
accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's
all.
Â
--Octavian
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10
PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste
of intelligent energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has
happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the
questions in the first place.
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed
to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the
project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their
experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by
obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at
the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said
conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and
wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of
underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at
best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst.
There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend
I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it
is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away
with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and
deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the
better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on
the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or
corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is
similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are
better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing
themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu
are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically
and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that
the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software
and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention
the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring
they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy
currently.
On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer
since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the
blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke
its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant
change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind
kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't
determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you
can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if
we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental
answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a
few, and wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides
science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's
little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun
weekend, Mike in SC Â At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends, I see so much
wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point
of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going
away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen
with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards
helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our
fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the
program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind
people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility
have come along, and guess what, we haven’t been left behind
yet. That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and
the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are
comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when
much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience
into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to
accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned
if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers
for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis! Â **KISS
AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free. www.avg.com
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What does all of this have to do with Skype ? Â Â
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From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:49 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy "insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it". Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me. It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever. I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc. And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need. If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.  Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place.  What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.  Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.  I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.  Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently.    On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote: Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC Â At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven’t been left behind yet. That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis!  **KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free. www.avg.com
Â
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Sarah k Alawami
The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action
. Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc.
Take care
On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote:
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What does all of this have to do with Skype ?   From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:49 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy  "insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it". Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me. It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever. I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc. And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need. If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.  Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place.  What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.  Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.  I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.  Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently.    On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote: Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC Â At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven’t been left behind yet. That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis!  **KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free. www.avg.com
Â
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It has to do with Skype, because exactly in the
same way, Skype 8 will be forever worse than Skype 7 for me.
Â
--Octavian
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 11:51
PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste
of intelligent energy
What does all of this have
to do with Skype ?
Â
Â
Â
"insure that the
things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and
your lives and mine, will be considerably better for
it".
Windows 7 is
almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for
me.
It won't be
improved anymore, so it will be worse forever.
I used it for
many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some
strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also
worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other
email client have some missing features etc.
And I can
tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a
little better, but none of them have all the features I
need.
If I'd need
to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a
problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose toÂ
use something else and that's all.
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Friday, October
05, 2018 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish]
such a waste of intelligent energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has
happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.
Â
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the
questions in the first place.
Â
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed
to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of
the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that
their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by
obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to
at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said
conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and
wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of
underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky
at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at
worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently,
a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own
community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to
be.
Â
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away
with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and
deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for
the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using
it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or
corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is
similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they
are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're
placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at
risk.
Â
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.
Â
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu
are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically
and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that
the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software
and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention
the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in
insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they
enjoy currently.
Â
Â
Â
On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno
wrote:
Amen, Lewis! I've been
using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics
have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years
since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is
inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted
mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a
little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few
things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We
would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked
how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State
the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for
someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven,
you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to
your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in
SC Â At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you
wrote:
Hello friends, I see
so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to
the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and
its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not
going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be
expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the
new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to
improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come
along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the
improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we
haven’t been left behind yet. That’s because of good common sense
advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users
to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing
programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed
improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth
transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to
accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have
learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions
and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from
Lewis! Â **KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free. www.avg.com
Â
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Yes Sarah, you are right. But I wonder why do you
tell this only to the people that have a different opinion than
you.
Why don't you tell that the praises to Skype 8 are
also useless and don't make Skype 8 beeing better?
Â
I am a reactive person. I usually don't start
discussions and flame wars, but I just send my opinions *after* other people
send their opinions.
Â
--Octavian
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:23
AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste
of intelligent energy
The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action .
Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting
windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact
listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms
and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox and windows
and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to
happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype
off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook or
zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks
reports, diag logs etc.
Take care On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote:
What does all of this have to do with Skype
?
Â
Â
From:
skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Octavian Rasnita Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:49
PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re:
[skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
Â
"insure that the
things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and
your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it".
Windows 7 is almost at its end of
life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me.
It won't be improved anymore, so it
will be worse forever.
I used it for many years and I got
very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in
some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the
version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email
client have some missing features etc.
And I can tell you that I tried very
many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of
them have all the features I need.
If I'd need to use the computer just
for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if
something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else
and that's all.
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Friday, October
05, 2018 9:10 PM
Subject: Re:
[skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has
happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.
Â
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for
the questions in the first place.
Â
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as
opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass
roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in
order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and
unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point
blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded
suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current
iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite
frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure,
to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache,
even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to
point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and
while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something
that is more prevalent than it needs to be.
Â
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away
with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code
and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported
for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there
using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their
home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years,
before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over,
even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it,
knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at
risk.
Â
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.
Â
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what
yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly,
logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and
insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of
said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it.
not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your
efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an
experience as they enjoy currently.
Â
Â
Â
On
6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking
computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped
through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first
computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is
all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I
was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league
team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you
can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all
be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to
questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the
problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for
someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has
proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little
jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun
weekend, Mike in SC Â At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you
wrote:
Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy
being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying
to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away.
No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen
with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards
helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to
our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our
use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come
along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the
improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what,
we haven’t been left behind yet. That’s because of good common
sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer
users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing
programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed
improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a
smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to
accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have
learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions
and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from
Lewis! Â **KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free.
www.avg.com
Â
|
|
and that, is what I'm talking about. instead of talking to them,
you're moaning here on a forum that has little to do with that
which you are complaining about accept for the aspects relating to
Skype.
Instead of complaining about it, Reach out and discuss with the
developers themselves. they really aren't big scary ogres
On 6/10/2018 06:18, Octavian Rasnita
wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
"insure that the
things you want and need are there in future iterations of
said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably
better for it".
Â
Windows 7 is almost at its end of life,
but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me.
It won't be improved anymore, so it will
be worse forever.
I used it for many years and I got very
used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange
words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works
also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some
limitations, the other email client have some missing features
etc.
Â
And I can tell you that I tried very many
other alternative programs that could work a little better,
but none of them have all the features I need.
Â
If I'd need to use the computer just for
entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because
if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use
something else and that's all.
Â
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 05,
2018 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish]
such a waste of intelligent energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the
below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given
out.
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the
reasons for the questions in the first place.
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant
moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the
developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly
explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their
experience with the end-product remains comfortable and
unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet,
there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs
and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate
can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and
wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure
implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to
bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright
headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst.
There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be
currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily
endemic to our own community, it is something that is more
prevalent than it needs to be.
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being
done away with, because they have security holes and are based
on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for
instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three
years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the
internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their
home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of
years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and
people the world over, even though they are better informed,
are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing
themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and
because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of
change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to
discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things
you want and need are there in future iterations of said
software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better
for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless
thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a
transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently.
On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno
wrote:
Amen, Lewis!
I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same
scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind
community every year for those 31 years since my first
computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change.
And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old
blind kid who couldn't join a little league team;
"the value of your life isn't determined by the few things
you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if
we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non
judgmental answers.
State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for
a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn
how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend,
Mike in SC
Â
At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends,
I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that
has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead
mule.
The new skype is here and its not going away. No company
in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen
with skype.
All this intelligent energy should be expended towards
helping each other to access, understand and use the new
program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and
able to improve our use of the program, as the needed
accessibility fixes come along.
As long as blind people have been using computers, the
improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and
guess what, we haven’t been left behind yet.
That’s because of good common sense advocacy for
accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users
to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing
programs,
which makes it much easier for when much needed
improvements are developed in order to turn our experience
into a smooth transition .
We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility.
Just think how much someone like myself could have learned
if all of these angry messages were full of helpful
questions and answers for using the new skype?
Catcha later from Lewis!
Â
**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free. www.avg.com
|
|
and that's the beauty of current versions of windows, that
ability is there. some are using older versions of windows that
are reaching their end of life cycle, but, that doesn't preclude
them from submitting that feedback, they just have to take a few
extra steps to get there. so really all this complaining about
this being worse, that not being accessible and how the
organization can go to places even I wouldn't want to visit for a
holiday, is unnecessary, because said organization has decided,
and rightfully so, in my opinion, to stop playing the part of an
ostrich and not only take on board, but act on the feedback given.
we won't necessarily get everything we want, but that is true of
life in general. as the song says, you can't always get what you
want, but you find sometimes, you get what you need.
On 6/10/2018 08:53, Sarah k Alawami
wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
The point is, that we are seeing way too much
talk and no action
. Someone does not like something and they just complain
instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said
app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and
have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they
do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox
and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of
just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it,
there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your
system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook
or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive
feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc.
Take care
On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote:
What
does all of this have to do with Skype ?
Â
Â
Â
"insure
that the things you want and need are there in
future iterations of said software and your lives
and mine, will be considerably better for it".
Windows
7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still
worse than Windows XP was for me.
It
won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse
forever.
I
used it for many years and I got very used to it,
but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange
words in some applications (TextPad), the command
prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook
Express I use has some limitations, the other
email client have some missing features etc.
And
I can tell you that I tried very many other
alternative programs that could work a little
better, but none of them have all the features I
need.
If
I'd need to use the computer just for
entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a
problem, because if something would not be
accessible, I can choose to use something else
and that's all.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM
Subject: Re:
[skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent
energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most
part, the below has happened. people ask, and
concise answers were given out.
Â
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent,
hence the reasons for the questions in the first
place.
Â
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the
incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical
reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of
the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to
see happen in order that their experience with the
end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by
obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is
point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs
and strongly worded suggestions as to what said
conglomerate can do with their current iteration of
said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and
quite frankly, insecure implementations of
underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a
product that was flaky at best and a downright
headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at
worst. There is little need to point fingers, but,
it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and
while it is not necessarily endemic to our own
community, it is something that is more prevalent
than it needs to be.
Â
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems
are being done away with, because they have security
holes and are based on now defunct code and
deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance,
hasn't been supported for the better part of three
years, yet, there are still people out there using
it on the internet, even knowing that it is a
security risk to their home or corporate networks.
It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7
is similarly no longer supported, and people the
world over, even though they are better informed,
are going to continue to use it, knowing they're
placing themselves and everyone else they interact
with at risk.
Â
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is
this.
Â
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting
it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be
an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and
reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the
know, and insure that the things you want and need
are there in future iterations of said software and
your lives and mine, will be considerably better for
it. not to mention the myriad others that would
doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring
they have as smooth a transition and as great an
experience as they enjoy currently.
Â
Â
Â
On
6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Amen, Lewis!
I've been using a talking computer since 1987,
and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped
through the blind community every year for those
31 years since my first computer spoke its first
words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about
constant change.
And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11
year old blind kid who couldn't join a little
league team;
"the value of your life isn't determined by the
few things you can't do, but rather by the many
things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype
community if we just asked how-to questions and
just gave each other non judgmental answers.
State the problem or situation and then sit
back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to
share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when
you learn how to just accept life's little jabs
to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend,
Mike in SC
Â
At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends,
I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a
subject that has been argued to the point of
trying to ride a dead mule.
The new skype is here and its not going away.
No company in the world goes backward, and its
not going to happen with skype.
All this intelligent energy should be expended
towards helping each other to access,
understand and use the new program to our
fullest abilities, so that we are ready and
able to improve our use of the program, as the
needed accessibility fixes come along.
As long as blind people have been using
computers, the improvements regarding
accessibility have come along, and guess what,
we haven’t been left behind yet.
That’s because of good common sense advocacy
for accessibility and the willingness of blind
computer users to use what we have so we are
comfortable with existing programs,
which makes it much easier for when much
needed improvements are developed in order to
turn our experience into a smooth transition .
We all want the same thing as it relates to
accessibility. Just think how much someone
like myself could have learned if all of these
angry messages were full of helpful questions
and answers for using the new skype?
Catcha later from Lewis!
Â
**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free. www.avg.com
Â
|
|
i'm afraid no company is going to develop or change their product to ensure one person is happy with everything.
we all have different likes and dislikes where software is concerned and manufacturers/developers can not please everyone all of the time. nor can people such as doug give up their time to write scripts that will suit each individual's needs.
my old IPhone 4s sat in the draw for three months because I thought it was way more complicated than the nokia and I didn't think i'd ever get used to using it. when the nokia completely died and wouldn't even turn on, I had to switch to the IPhone and now I wouldn't use anything else.
it really is time to move on and try and get used to skype 8 or give it up completely. Microsoft are not going to give classic another lifeline and, as sean says, if people have suggestions, best to send them to the developers rather than complaining on this forum every day.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 06/10/2018, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote: and that, is what I'm talking about. instead of talking to them, you're moaning here on a forum that has little to do with that which you are complaining about accept for the aspects relating to Skype.
Instead of complaining about it, Reach out and discuss with the developers themselves. they really aren't big scary ogres
On 6/10/2018 06:18, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
"insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it". Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me. It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever. I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc. And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need. If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all. --Octavian
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Shaun Oliver <mailto:blindman75@...> *To:* skypeenglish@groups.io <mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io> *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM *Subject:* Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place.
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently.
On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC
At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven’t been left behind yet. That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis!
**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
Virus-free. www.avg.com
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How do you submit feedback if on an older version of windows? I was not aware you could do this on anything older than Windows 10. Â Â
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From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 5:34 AM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy  and that's the beauty of current versions of windows, that ability is there. some are using older versions of windows that are reaching their end of life cycle, but, that doesn't preclude them from submitting that feedback, they just have to take a few extra steps to get there. so really all this complaining about this being worse, that not being accessible and how the organization can go to places even I wouldn't want to visit for a holiday, is unnecessary, because said organization has decided, and rightfully so, in my opinion, to stop playing the part of an ostrich and not only take on board, but act on the feedback given. we won't necessarily get everything we want, but that is true of life in general. as the song says, you can't always get what you want, but you find sometimes, you get what you need.   On 6/10/2018 08:53, Sarah k Alawami wrote: The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action . Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc. Take care On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote: What does all of this have to do with Skype ?    "insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it". Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me. It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever. I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc. And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need. If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.  Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place.  What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.  Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.  I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.  Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently.    On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote: Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC  At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote: Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven’t been left behind yet. That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis!  **KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
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and that's the beauty of current versions of windows, that ability is there. some are using older versions of windows that are reaching their end of life cycle, but, that doesn't preclude them from submitting that feedback, they just have to take a few extra
steps to get there. so really all this complaining about this being worse, that not being accessible and how the organization can go to places even I wouldn't want to visit for a holiday, is unnecessary, because said organization has decided, and rightfully
so, in my opinion, to stop playing the part of an ostrich and not only take on board, but act on the feedback given. we won't necessarily get everything we want, but that is true of life in general. as the song says, you can't always get what you want, but
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On 6/10/2018 08:53, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action
. Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed
several bugs on skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as
facebook or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc.
Take care
On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote:
What does all of this have to do with Skype ?
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"insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software
and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it".
Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me.
It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever.
I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also
worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc.
And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need.
If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something
else and that's all.
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.
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What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like
to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said
conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even
for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.
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Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance,
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no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.
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On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Amen, Lewis!
I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change.
And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team;
"the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers.
State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend,
Mike in SC
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At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends,
I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule.
The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype.
All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along.
As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven’t been left behind yet.
That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs,
which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition .
We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype?
Catcha later from Lewis!
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Well if someone could find that URL and pass it along, That would be great! Then everybody who is running older versions can have their voices heard too as long as its not end of life. Â Â
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How do you submit feedback if on an older version of windows? I was not aware you could do this on anything older than Windows 10.    and that's the beauty of current versions of windows, that ability is there. some are using older versions of windows that are reaching their end of life cycle, but, that doesn't preclude them from submitting that feedback, they just have to take a few extra steps to get there. so really all this complaining about this being worse, that not being accessible and how the organization can go to places even I wouldn't want to visit for a holiday, is unnecessary, because said organization has decided, and rightfully so, in my opinion, to stop playing the part of an ostrich and not only take on board, but act on the feedback given. we won't necessarily get everything we want, but that is true of life in general. as the song says, you can't always get what you want, but you find sometimes, you get what you need.   On 6/10/2018 08:53, Sarah k Alawami wrote: The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action . Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc. Take care On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote: What does all of this have to do with Skype ?    "insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it". Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me. It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever. I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc. And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need. If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.  Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place.  What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.  Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.  I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.  Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently.    On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote: Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC  At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote: Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven’t been left behind yet. That’s because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis!  **KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
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Octavian, there's this saying (at least here) about "beating a dead horse." You have expressed your opinions, but the same opinions many times. I respectfully request, in order to prevent this discussion from going on forever, that we refrain from saying things we've said before.
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On Sat, Oct 06, 2018 at 11:51:33AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote: Yes Sarah, you are right. But I wonder why do you tell this only to the people that have a different opinion than you. Why don't you tell that the praises to Skype 8 are also useless and don't make Skype 8 beeing better? I am a reactive person. I usually don't start discussions and flame wars, but I just send my opinions *after* other people send their opinions. --Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: [1]Sarah k Alawami To: [2]skypeenglish@groups.io Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action . Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc. Take care On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote: What does all of this have to do with Skype ? From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:49 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy "insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it". Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me. It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever. I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc. And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need. If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all. --Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: [3]Shaun Oliver To: [4]skypeenglish@groups.io Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out. Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place. What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be. Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk. I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this. Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently. On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote: Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words. Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!" We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions. Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote: Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven't been left behind yet. That's because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis! **KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING! 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-----Original Message----- From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 1:25 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy Octavian, there's this saying (at least here) about "beating a dead horse." You have expressed your opinions, but the same opinions many times. I respectfully request, in order to prevent this discussion from going on forever, that we refrain from saying things we've said before. On Sat, Oct 06, 2018 at 11:51:33AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote: Yes Sarah, you are right. But I wonder why do you tell this only to the people that have a different opinion than you. Why don't you tell that the praises to Skype 8 are also useless and don't make Skype 8 beeing better? I am a reactive person. I usually don't start discussions and flame wars, but I just send my opinions *after* other people send their opinions. --Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: [1]Sarah k Alawami To: [2]skypeenglish@groups.io Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action . Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc. Take care On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote: What does all of this have to do with Skype ? From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:49 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy "insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it". Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me. It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever. I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc. And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need. If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all. --Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: [3]Shaun Oliver To: [4]skypeenglish@groups.io Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out. Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place. What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be. Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk. I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this. Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently. On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote: Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words. Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!" We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions. Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote: Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven't been left behind yet. That's because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis! **KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING! Virus-free. [5]www.avg.com References Visible links 1. mailto:marrie12@... 2. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io 3. mailto:blindman75@... 4. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io 5. http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient 6. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3332 7. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20suc h%20a%20waste%20of%20intelligent%20energy 8. mailto:orasnita@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5 D%20such%20a%20waste%20of%20intelligent%20energy 9. https://groups.io/mt/26799643/409874 10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post 11. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874 13. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io 14. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged Hidden links: 16. file://localhost/Users/dlee/tmp/neomutt-mini-501-708-17632521860734166761#DA B4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 17. file://localhost/Users/dlee/tmp/neomutt-mini-501-708-17632521860734166761#DA B4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 18. file://localhost/Users/dlee/tmp/neomutt-mini-501-708-17632521860734166761#DA B4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.orgLevel Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com"While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was done." --Helen Keller
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With Skype 8.3, no one can hear me whenever I make a phone call.
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On 10/6/2018 12:24 PM, Doug Lee wrote: Octavian, there's this saying (at least here) about "beating a dead horse." You have expressed your opinions, but the same opinions many times. I respectfully request, in order to prevent this discussion from going on forever, that we refrain from saying things we've said before.
On Sat, Oct 06, 2018 at 11:51:33AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote: Yes Sarah, you are right. But I wonder why do you tell this only to the people that have a different opinion than you.
Why don't you tell that the praises to Skype 8 are also useless and don't make Skype 8 beeing better?
I am a reactive person. I usually don't start discussions and flame wars, but I just send my opinions *after* other people send their opinions.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: [1]Sarah k Alawami
To: [2]skypeenglish@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action . Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc.
Take care On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote:
What does all of this have to do with Skype ?
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:49 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
"insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it".
Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me.
It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever.
I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc.
And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need.
If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: [3]Shaun Oliver
To: [4]skypeenglish@groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place.
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently.
On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words. Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!" We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions. Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC
At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven't been left behind yet. That's because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis!
**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING! Virus-free. [5]www.avg.com
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The most common cause of that I can think of would be a need to change the sound source in Skype 8. Use Ctrl+comma to open Settings, tab through fields to the Audio and Video button, and press Space to open that panel. You will then find a Microphone combo box in which you can choose your input device. The next tab stop lets you turn on/off Skype's management of mic volume. I tend to turn this off. After that, you should have a mic volume. Oddly, the range goes up to 10 but with decimals; so for example, I think 9.5 is the same as 95%.
When done examining and/or changing these settings, tab to the Close button and press Space.
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On Sat, Oct 06, 2018 at 01:19:07PM -0500, Josephine Hirsch wrote: With Skype 8.3, no one can hear me whenever I make a phone call. On 10/6/2018 12:24 PM, Doug Lee wrote: Octavian, there's this saying (at least here) about "beating a dead horse." You have expressed your opinions, but the same opinions many times. I respectfully request, in order to prevent this discussion from going on forever, that we refrain from saying things we've said before.
On Sat, Oct 06, 2018 at 11:51:33AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote: Yes Sarah, you are right. But I wonder why do you tell this only to the people that have a different opinion than you.
Why don't you tell that the praises to Skype 8 are also useless and don't make Skype 8 beeing better?
I am a reactive person. I usually don't start discussions and flame wars, but I just send my opinions *after* other people send their opinions.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: [1]Sarah k Alawami
To: [2]skypeenglish@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action . Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc.
Take care On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote:
What does all of this have to do with Skype ?
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:49 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
"insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it".
Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me.
It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever.
I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc.
And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need.
If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: [3]Shaun Oliver
To: [4]skypeenglish@groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place.
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently.
On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words. Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!" We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions. Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC
At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven't been left behind yet. That's because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis!
**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING! Virus-free. [5]www.avg.com
References
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-- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.orgLevel Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com"Is your cucumber bitter? Throw it away. Are there briars in your path? Turn aside. That is enough. Do not go on to say, `Why were things of this sort ever brought into the world?'" --Marcus Aurelius
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Sarah k Alawami
If on a mac, check to see if you got the permissions dialogue. I had that issue Thursday. Skype wants access to your mic and camera. Allow that.
Take care
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On 6 Oct 2018, at 11:19, Josephine Hirsch wrote: With Skype 8.3, no one can hear me whenever I make a phone call.
On 10/6/2018 12:24 PM, Doug Lee wrote:
Octavian, there's this saying (at least here) about "beating a dead horse." You have expressed your opinions, but the same opinions many times. I respectfully request, in order to prevent this discussion from going on forever, that we refrain from saying things we've said before.
On Sat, Oct 06, 2018 at 11:51:33AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote: Yes Sarah, you are right. But I wonder why do you tell this only to the people that have a different opinion than you.
Why don't you tell that the praises to Skype 8 are also useless and don't make Skype 8 beeing better?
I am a reactive person. I usually don't start discussions and flame wars, but I just send my opinions *after* other people send their opinions.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: [1]Sarah k Alawami
To: [2]skypeenglish@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action . Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc.
Take care On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote:
What does all of this have to do with Skype ?
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:49 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
"insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it".
Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than Windows XP was for me.
It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever.
I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features etc.
And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features I need.
If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: [3]Shaun Oliver
To: [4]skypeenglish@groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for the questions in the first place.
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to see happen in order that their experience with the end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done away with, because they have security holes and are based on now defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance, hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy currently.
On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Amen, Lewis! I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words. Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change. And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid who couldn't join a little league team; "the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't do, but rather by the many things you can do!" We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental answers. State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to share some solutions. Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL Stay well and have a great fun weekend, Mike in SC
At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
Hello friends, I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule. The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype. All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along. As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven't been left behind yet. That's because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we are comfortable with existing programs, which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition . We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for using the new skype? Catcha later from Lewis!
**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING! Virus-free. [5]www.avg.com
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