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Adrien
Hi
It is a very long time since I posted on the skype group some 2 or 3 years. However, My name is Adrien, I live in the uk. I like skype but they have really changed it now.
I have a couple of questions.
On the new skype there is no start up sound, has this gone completely or is there a way to get it back?
I used to use skyp as my phone and have loads of saved contacts, for that I used skype talking but I assume that no longer works. In the latest skype How can I edit or delete a contact? I am having to use skype as my phone again as I need to use it to ring abroad now.
Finally, I use nvda, Jfw and super nova. Which is the best screen reader for using with skype?
Ok now doubt with the new skype being so complex I’ll have more questions so good to be back with you guys.
Regards Adrien
Skype with me on adriencollins06
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Doug Lee
There are now three Skypes for Windows, one for Mac, and one for iOS. I'll focus on Windows because I think that's what you're asking about. To my knowledge, the only one with a startup sound is Skype 7. How you add and remove
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contacts is a bit different depending on which Skype you use. Below I will describe the three Skypes and present the available JAWS and NVDA alternatives of which I am aware. I don't know about Supernova support for these. 1. Skype 7, also called Skype Classic, is what you're used to. That is still available and was updated a month or two ago but will eventually go away. We don't have a timetable for that yet. The download link for that version is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full My scripts at http://www.dlee.org/skype/ still work with this version, and NVDA includes built-in code to handle it. There is also new work being done on a specific Skype 7 addon for NVDA as of this week, though that work is in an early state I'd say. 2. Skype 8, which is an Electron app (that's a development platform that looks somewhat webpage-like to us users), is a newer Skype intended for Windows versions older than Windows 10. I have initial scripts for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ and a simple NVDA addon for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon It is possible, though a bit tricky, to run this version on Windows 10 as well, by forcing it to run in compatibility mode for Windows 8. The next Skype though is meant for Windows 10. I have a vague sense that Skype 8 will not live long, though I currently find it to be the fastest version of the three and so I use it myself. 3. Skype UWP, also called Skype for Windows 10, comes from the Microsoft Store and is intended exclusively for Windows 10. I have JAWS scripts for this one at http://www.dlee.org/skype/uwp/ Joseph Lee's Windows 10 App Essentials NVDA addon supports this version of Skype well enough that I did not find it necessary to write an addon for it myself.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 09:39:43PM +0100, Adrien wrote:
Hi It is a very long time since I posted on the skype group some 2 or 3 years. However, My name is Adrien, I live in the uk. I like skype but they have really changed it now. I have a couple of questions. On the new skype there is no start up sound, has this gone completely or is there a way to get it back? I used to use skyp as my phone and have loads of saved contacts, for that I used skype talking but I assume that no longer works. In the latest skype How can I edit or delete a contact? I am having to use skype as my phone again as I need to use it to ring abroad now. Finally, I use nvda, Jfw and super nova. Which is the best screen reader for using with skype? Ok now doubt with the new skype being so complex I'll have more questions so good to be back with you guys. Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06 References 1. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2536 2. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20help%20with%20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 3. mailto:salamander22160@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20help%20with%20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 4. https://groups.io/mt/20296517/409874 5. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post 6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874 8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish 9. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io 10. https://groups.io/static/tos 11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like A, as in neighbor and weigh, except for when weird foreign concierges seize neither leisure nor science from the height of society."
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Jerry Pryde
Thanks, Doug.
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I've saved all this for future reference. I'll keep using Skype classic until its demise. Jerry.
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From: Doug Lee Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 6:14 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with latest skype and an introduction There are now three Skypes for Windows, one for Mac, and one for iOS. I'll focus on Windows because I think that's what you're asking about. To my knowledge, the only one with a startup sound is Skype 7. How you add and remove contacts is a bit different depending on which Skype you use. Below I will describe the three Skypes and present the available JAWS and NVDA alternatives of which I am aware. I don't know about Supernova support for these. 1. Skype 7, also called Skype Classic, is what you're used to. That is still available and was updated a month or two ago but will eventually go away. We don't have a timetable for that yet. The download link for that version is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full My scripts at http://www.dlee.org/skype/ still work with this version, and NVDA includes built-in code to handle it. There is also new work being done on a specific Skype 7 addon for NVDA as of this week, though that work is in an early state I'd say. 2. Skype 8, which is an Electron app (that's a development platform that looks somewhat webpage-like to us users), is a newer Skype intended for Windows versions older than Windows 10. I have initial scripts for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ and a simple NVDA addon for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon It is possible, though a bit tricky, to run this version on Windows 10 as well, by forcing it to run in compatibility mode for Windows 8. The next Skype though is meant for Windows 10. I have a vague sense that Skype 8 will not live long, though I currently find it to be the fastest version of the three and so I use it myself. 3. Skype UWP, also called Skype for Windows 10, comes from the Microsoft Store and is intended exclusively for Windows 10. I have JAWS scripts for this one at http://www.dlee.org/skype/uwp/ Joseph Lee's Windows 10 App Essentials NVDA addon supports this version of Skype well enough that I did not find it necessary to write an addon for it myself. On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 09:39:43PM +0100, Adrien wrote: Hi It is a very long time since I posted on the skype group some 2 or 3 years. However, My name is Adrien, I live in the uk. I like skype but they have really changed it now. I have a couple of questions. On the new skype there is no start up sound, has this gone completely or is there a way to get it back? I used to use skyp as my phone and have loads of saved contacts, for that I used skype talking but I assume that no longer works. In the latest skype How can I edit or delete a contact? I am having to use skype as my phone again as I need to use it to ring abroad now. Finally, I use nvda, Jfw and super nova. Which is the best screen reader for using with skype? Ok now doubt with the new skype being so complex I'll have more questions so good to be back with you guys. Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06 References 1. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2536 2. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20help%20with%20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 3. mailto:salamander22160@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20help%20with%20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 4. https://groups.io/mt/20296517/409874 5. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post 6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874 8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish 9. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io 10. https://groups.io/static/tos 11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like A, as in neighbor and weigh, except for when weird foreign concierges seize neither leisure nor science from the height of society."
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Adrien
Hi Doug
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I think I am using the version of skype 8 installed by ninite.com, it is relatively accessible, managed to use it to make a phone call on it to my mother in France. I can't see a way though to delete old and obsolete contacts. Somebody sent me a download for skype 7 which I will hold on to but will try and learn this skype. I also tried the skype in the app section of windows 10, this seemed more accessible and I was able to do more with it. As I am coping ok sort of, I am not going to go backwards for now not if skype classic will dissappear eventually. Hopefully microsoft will sort out any accessible problems. Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06
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From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: 25 May 2018 23:15 To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with latest skype and an introduction There are now three Skypes for Windows, one for Mac, and one for iOS. I'll focus on Windows because I think that's what you're asking about. To my knowledge, the only one with a startup sound is Skype 7. How you add and remove contacts is a bit different depending on which Skype you use. Below I will describe the three Skypes and present the available JAWS and NVDA alternatives of which I am aware. I don't know about Supernova support for these. 1. Skype 7, also called Skype Classic, is what you're used to. That is still available and was updated a month or two ago but will eventually go away. We don't have a timetable for that yet. The download link for that version is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full My scripts at http://www.dlee.org/skype/ still work with this version, and NVDA includes built-in code to handle it. There is also new work being done on a specific Skype 7 addon for NVDA as of this week, though that work is in an early state I'd say. 2. Skype 8, which is an Electron app (that's a development platform that looks somewhat webpage-like to us users), is a newer Skype intended for Windows versions older than Windows 10. I have initial scripts for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ and a simple NVDA addon for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon It is possible, though a bit tricky, to run this version on Windows 10 as well, by forcing it to run in compatibility mode for Windows 8. The next Skype though is meant for Windows 10. I have a vague sense that Skype 8 will not live long, though I currently find it to be the fastest version of the three and so I use it myself. 3. Skype UWP, also called Skype for Windows 10, comes from the Microsoft Store and is intended exclusively for Windows 10. I have JAWS scripts for this one at http://www.dlee.org/skype/uwp/ Joseph Lee's Windows 10 App Essentials NVDA addon supports this version of Skype well enough that I did not find it necessary to write an addon for it myself. On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 09:39:43PM +0100, Adrien wrote: Hi It is a very long time since I posted on the skype group some 2 or 3 years. However, My name is Adrien, I live in the uk. I like skype but they have really changed it now. I have a couple of questions. On the new skype there is no start up sound, has this gone completely or is there a way to get it back? I used to use skyp as my phone and have loads of saved contacts, for that I used skype talking but I assume that no longer works. In the latest skype How can I edit or delete a contact? I am having to use skype as my phone again as I need to use it to ring abroad now. Finally, I use nvda, Jfw and super nova. Which is the best screen reader for using with skype? Ok now doubt with the new skype being so complex I'll have more questions so good to be back with you guys. Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06 References 1. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2536 2. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20help%20with %20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 3. mailto:salamander22160@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D %20help%20with%20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 4. https://groups.io/mt/20296517/409874 5. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post 6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874 8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish 9. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io 10. https://groups.io/static/tos 11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like A, as in neighbor and weigh, except for when weird foreign concierges seize neither leisure nor science from the height of society."
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Adrien
Hi Doug
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How do I access Joseph Lee's apps please?Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06
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From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: 25 May 2018 23:15 To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with latest skype and an introduction There are now three Skypes for Windows, one for Mac, and one for iOS. I'll focus on Windows because I think that's what you're asking about. To my knowledge, the only one with a startup sound is Skype 7. How you add and remove contacts is a bit different depending on which Skype you use. Below I will describe the three Skypes and present the available JAWS and NVDA alternatives of which I am aware. I don't know about Supernova support for these. 1. Skype 7, also called Skype Classic, is what you're used to. That is still available and was updated a month or two ago but will eventually go away. We don't have a timetable for that yet. The download link for that version is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full My scripts at http://www.dlee.org/skype/ still work with this version, and NVDA includes built-in code to handle it. There is also new work being done on a specific Skype 7 addon for NVDA as of this week, though that work is in an early state I'd say. 2. Skype 8, which is an Electron app (that's a development platform that looks somewhat webpage-like to us users), is a newer Skype intended for Windows versions older than Windows 10. I have initial scripts for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ and a simple NVDA addon for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon It is possible, though a bit tricky, to run this version on Windows 10 as well, by forcing it to run in compatibility mode for Windows 8. The next Skype though is meant for Windows 10. I have a vague sense that Skype 8 will not live long, though I currently find it to be the fastest version of the three and so I use it myself. 3. Skype UWP, also called Skype for Windows 10, comes from the Microsoft Store and is intended exclusively for Windows 10. I have JAWS scripts for this one at http://www.dlee.org/skype/uwp/ Joseph Lee's Windows 10 App Essentials NVDA addon supports this version of Skype well enough that I did not find it necessary to write an addon for it myself. On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 09:39:43PM +0100, Adrien wrote: Hi It is a very long time since I posted on the skype group some 2 or 3 years. However, My name is Adrien, I live in the uk. I like skype but they have really changed it now. I have a couple of questions. On the new skype there is no start up sound, has this gone completely or is there a way to get it back? I used to use skyp as my phone and have loads of saved contacts, for that I used skype talking but I assume that no longer works. In the latest skype How can I edit or delete a contact? I am having to use skype as my phone again as I need to use it to ring abroad now. Finally, I use nvda, Jfw and super nova. Which is the best screen reader for using with skype? Ok now doubt with the new skype being so complex I'll have more questions so good to be back with you guys. Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06 References 1. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2536 2. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20help%20with %20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 3. mailto:salamander22160@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D %20help%20with%20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 4. https://groups.io/mt/20296517/409874 5. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post 6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874 8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish 9. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io 10. https://groups.io/static/tos 11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like A, as in neighbor and weigh, except for when weird foreign concierges seize neither leisure nor science from the height of society."
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Doug Lee
1. NVDA+N for the NVDA menu, then Tools, then Manage Addons.
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2. Tab to "Get Addons..." and press Space to open the Community Addons website. 3. Find and activate the "Windows 10 App Essentials" link, which is also a heading. 4. Activate the "Download Stable Version" link on the resulting page.
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:39:23AM +0100, Adrien wrote:
Hi Doug How do I access Joseph Lee's apps please?Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06 -----Original Message----- From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: 25 May 2018 23:15 To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with latest skype and an introduction There are now three Skypes for Windows, one for Mac, and one for iOS. I'll focus on Windows because I think that's what you're asking about. To my knowledge, the only one with a startup sound is Skype 7. How you add and remove contacts is a bit different depending on which Skype you use. Below I will describe the three Skypes and present the available JAWS and NVDA alternatives of which I am aware. I don't know about Supernova support for these. 1. Skype 7, also called Skype Classic, is what you're used to. That is still available and was updated a month or two ago but will eventually go away. We don't have a timetable for that yet. The download link for that version is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full My scripts at http://www.dlee.org/skype/ still work with this version, and NVDA includes built-in code to handle it. There is also new work being done on a specific Skype 7 addon for NVDA as of this week, though that work is in an early state I'd say. 2. Skype 8, which is an Electron app (that's a development platform that looks somewhat webpage-like to us users), is a newer Skype intended for Windows versions older than Windows 10. I have initial scripts for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ and a simple NVDA addon for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon It is possible, though a bit tricky, to run this version on Windows 10 as well, by forcing it to run in compatibility mode for Windows 8. The next Skype though is meant for Windows 10. I have a vague sense that Skype 8 will not live long, though I currently find it to be the fastest version of the three and so I use it myself. 3. Skype UWP, also called Skype for Windows 10, comes from the Microsoft Store and is intended exclusively for Windows 10. I have JAWS scripts for this one at http://www.dlee.org/skype/uwp/ Joseph Lee's Windows 10 App Essentials NVDA addon supports this version of Skype well enough that I did not find it necessary to write an addon for it myself. On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 09:39:43PM +0100, Adrien wrote: Hi It is a very long time since I posted on the skype group some 2 or 3 years. However, My name is Adrien, I live in the uk. I like skype but they have really changed it now. I have a couple of questions. On the new skype there is no start up sound, has this gone completely or is there a way to get it back? I used to use skyp as my phone and have loads of saved contacts, for that I used skype talking but I assume that no longer works. In the latest skype How can I edit or delete a contact? I am having to use skype as my phone again as I need to use it to ring abroad now. Finally, I use nvda, Jfw and super nova. Which is the best screen reader for using with skype? Ok now doubt with the new skype being so complex I'll have more questions so good to be back with you guys. Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06 References 1. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2536 2. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20help%20with %20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 3. mailto:salamander22160@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D %20help%20with%20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 4. https://groups.io/mt/20296517/409874 5. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post 6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874 8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish 9. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io 10. https://groups.io/static/tos 11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like A, as in neighbor and weigh, except for when weird foreign concierges seize neither leisure nor science from the height of society." -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like A, as in neighbor and weigh, except for when weird foreign concierges seize neither leisure nor science from the height of society."
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Adrien
Hi Doug
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Ok thanks, very useful.Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06
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From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: 26 May 2018 00:44 To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with latest skype and an introduction 1. NVDA+N for the NVDA menu, then Tools, then Manage Addons. 2. Tab to "Get Addons..." and press Space to open the Community Addons website. 3. Find and activate the "Windows 10 App Essentials" link, which is also a heading. 4. Activate the "Download Stable Version" link on the resulting page. On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:39:23AM +0100, Adrien wrote: Hi Doug How do I access Joseph Lee's apps please?Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06 -----Original Message----- From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: 25 May 2018 23:15 To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with latest skype and an introduction There are now three Skypes for Windows, one for Mac, and one for iOS. I'll focus on Windows because I think that's what you're asking about. To my knowledge, the only one with a startup sound is Skype 7. How you add and remove contacts is a bit different depending on which Skype you use. Below I will describe the three Skypes and present the available JAWS and NVDA alternatives of which I am aware. I don't know about Supernova support for these. 1. Skype 7, also called Skype Classic, is what you're used to. That is still available and was updated a month or two ago but will eventually go away. We don't have a timetable for that yet. The download link for that version is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full My scripts at http://www.dlee.org/skype/ still work with this version, and NVDA includes built-in code to handle it. There is also new work being done on a specific Skype 7 addon for NVDA as of this week, though that work is in an early state I'd say. 2. Skype 8, which is an Electron app (that's a development platform that looks somewhat webpage-like to us users), is a newer Skype intended for Windows versions older than Windows 10. I have initial scripts for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ and a simple NVDA addon for it at http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon It is possible, though a bit tricky, to run this version on Windows 10 as well, by forcing it to run in compatibility mode for Windows 8. The next Skype though is meant for Windows 10. I have a vague sense that Skype 8 will not live long, though I currently find it to be the fastest version of the three and so I use it myself. 3. Skype UWP, also called Skype for Windows 10, comes from the Microsoft Store and is intended exclusively for Windows 10. I have JAWS scripts for this one at http://www.dlee.org/skype/uwp/ Joseph Lee's Windows 10 App Essentials NVDA addon supports this version of Skype well enough that I did not find it necessary to write an addon for it myself. On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 09:39:43PM +0100, Adrien wrote: Hi It is a very long time since I posted on the skype group some 2 or 3 years. However, My name is Adrien, I live in the uk. I like skype but they have really changed it now. I have a couple of questions. On the new skype there is no start up sound, has this gone completely or is there a way to get it back? I used to use skyp as my phone and have loads of saved contacts, for that I used skype talking but I assume that no longer works. In the latest skype How can I edit or delete a contact? I am having to use skype as my phone again as I need to use it to ring abroad now. Finally, I use nvda, Jfw and super nova. Which is the best screen reader for using with skype? Ok now doubt with the new skype being so complex I'll have more questions so good to be back with you guys. Regards Adrien Skype with me on adriencollins06 References 1. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2536 2. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20help%20with %20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 3. mailto:salamander22160@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D %20help%20with%20latest%20skype%20and%20an%20introduction 4. https://groups.io/mt/20296517/409874 5. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post 6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874 8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish 9. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io 10. https://groups.io/static/tos 11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like A, as in neighbor and weigh, except for when weird foreign concierges seize neither leisure nor science from the height of society." -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "I before E, except after C, or when sounded like A, as in neighbor and weigh, except for when weird foreign concierges seize neither leisure nor science from the height of society."
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