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Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

John Holcomb II
 

I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100% certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against, thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make the list constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln









Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Andre Polykanine
 

Hello Joseph,
Sorry, but no way. Skype, it seems, closed all of its APIs for now.


--
With best regards from Ukraine,
Andre
Skype: menelion_elensule
Twitter (English only): @AndrePolykanine

------------ Original message ------------
From: Joseph Machise <josephmachise@...>
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Date created: , 1:44:28 PM
Subject: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


well Clare for a while I was using a modified GW, if I new how to program I
would make it work with windows 7 &10 the hell with microsoft from Joseph.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
I don't think GWConnect will ever come back, partly because GWMicro was
taken over as someone else has already mentioned, partly because some
special API which allowed GWConnect to be created no longer exists. So
there
are really only two choices now as far as I can tell, either Skype 8 or
the
Windows 10 version.
Bye for now, and happy skyping, whatever version you use for it!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Machise
Sent: jeudi 4 octobre 2018 12:14
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from Joseph.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up should be
added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't help users of other
screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me ,
although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I am lucky
that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know, and in most cases
I
have warning that I am going to receive a call, so I go into the Skype
window in Skype 8, which I tend to leave open while Skype is running
anyway,
and press Tab till I find the Answer button. There's a Decline button
too,
which comes before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so
if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise
it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype, and pressing
Enter
on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the Skype window again. Since
I
rarely minimize the Skype window while my Skype 8 is running, I don't
know
if an incoming call will make that window appear, that's why I mentioned
how
to open it while Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script stored in
default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say Alt+PgUp,
and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because
that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to the
Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID, then tab
to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less prone to
the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!" situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of spam
calls that
are made to my phone number, which I route through Skype specifically so
I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the hell with
Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype 8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called you and
you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e for
ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@...
http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln












Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have to gree. I recently used narrator to troubleshoot some stuff a few months ago and it was very very doable. Go microsoft and go skype on all platforms. It really is a piece of cake to use and a fun and joyful experience.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:36, John Holcomb II wrote:

I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100% certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against, thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make the list constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln














Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Shaun Oliver
 

furthermore, with the latest update to win10, narrator is becoming as comprehensive as any other screen access solution what with it's wider range of keystrokes and functionality. MS have really come a long way and started listening to the little people, rather than self serving organizations like NFB that had their own agenda, thus hobbeling MS's attempts at providing a workable solution for the better part of the last 18 years, at the very least.

On 5/10/2018 10:34, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I have to gree. I recently used narrator to troubleshoot some stuff a few months ago and it was very very doable. Go microsoft and go skype on all platforms. It really is a piece of cake to use and a fun and joyful experience.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:36, John Holcomb II wrote:

I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator and Skype together, but they're all about making first party  software work well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100% certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against, thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more  comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make  the list  constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's  the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic  but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can  do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true  in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting."  --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln














Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Octavian Rasnita
 

I also politely propose you to keep your suggestions for yourself, because not all the people care about them. You are not in a position to know what all the people prefer, or need or want.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all. Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up should be
added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't help users of other
screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me ,
although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I am lucky
that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know, and in most cases I
have warning that I am going to receive a call, so I go into the Skype
window in Skype 8, which I tend to leave open while Skype is running anyway,
and press Tab till I find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too,
which comes before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can minimise
it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype, and pressing Enter
on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the Skype window again. Since I
rarely minimize the Skype window while my Skype 8 is running, I don't know
if an incoming call will make that window appear, that's why I mentioned how
to open it while Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script stored in
default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget, because
that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8 window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to the
Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID, then tab
to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less prone to
the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!" situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of spam
calls that
are made to my phone number, which I route through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the hell with
Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype 8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln








Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Octavian Rasnita
 

Sarah, you are right, but this is true just for the large public, not for those who have very specific needs.
You surely don't need to use the command line under Windows, because if you would need it, you would know that it is worse under Windows 7 when compared with the one under Windows XP.

And other programs are also less accessible under Windows 7 than under Windows XP.

If you don't care about the other people needs, it doesn't mean that those needs don't exist.

If some computer users are bored and like to keep discovering new things, other users might not have time to spend for nothing for doing that.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I have to gree. I recently used narrator to troubleshoot some stuff a few months ago and it was very very doable. Go microsoft and go skype on all platforms. It really is a piece of cake to use and a fun and joyful experience.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:36, John Holcomb II wrote:

I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100% certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against, thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make the list constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln














Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Octavian Rasnita
 

It depends on what you are doing. If you'd need to be able to receive a file by Skype than process it with different programs that can't run on iPAD, it wouldn't be so productive. It wouldn't be duable at all. Please don't think that all the people have so limited needs.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


further to my last, case in point, my last, I wrote on my iPad. there are no hotkeys or keyboard keystrokes specifically for skype on said device, nore are there specific ones save those already clearly listed for the mac either. nor are there any for the iPhone. Yet, lo and behold, shock of all shocks, I can still use them efficiently with the same level of productivity. now isn't that a kick in the pants?



On 5/10/2018 01:38, Shaun Oliver wrote:
Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all. Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up should be
added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't help users of other
screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me ,
although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I am lucky
that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know, and in most cases I
have warning that I am going to receive a call, so I go into the Skype
window in Skype 8, which I tend to leave open while Skype is running anyway,
and press Tab till I find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too,
which comes before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can minimise
it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype, and pressing Enter
on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the Skype window again. Since I
rarely minimize the Skype window while my Skype 8 is running, I don't know
if an incoming call will make that window appear, that's why I mentioned how
to open it while Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script stored in
default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget, because
that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8 window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to the
Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID, then tab
to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less prone to
the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!" situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of spam
calls that
are made to my phone number, which I route through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the hell with
Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype 8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami




--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln







Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Octavian Rasnita
 

Sarah, in my opinion, as an admin you should be a mediator, but you are not.

If you agree with somebody, you seem to not care that that person says
something like "nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about...", as that person
would know what all the people care about, but if you don't agree, you block
the messages.

The result is that the discussions on the list should first please you, not
be informative.

Please tell me if I am wrong. If I don't like something and I tell why, then
is not OK, but it is OK if somebody else like that thing and says that he
doesn't care about the things I care.

I am curious how you would consider my message if I'd tell you that "nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about you say", or something like that. I guess that you probably wouldn't like such a message, but you agree with somebody that says that thing about other people.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working on
my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they will
with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to make the
list constructive and these archives by my choice are public, so let's
try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my teacher used to say,
there's the door. I do not want to moderate the topic but one more bad
apple and it will either be moderated or locked. You all have ben
forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it was,
I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated API and
unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the kinds
of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply because MS, in
recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider accessibility and
implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB wanting to keep
accessibility firmly within the control of the blindness community. and
really people as a whole, accessibility is not limited to blind people
alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold the monopoly on accessibility
needs, so I suggest we dispense with the badmouthing, disparraging
remarks, the complaining that this isn’t predictable or how unfair it is
that we’re losing hotkeys that quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s
rectum about, and just learn the new interface, build a bridge and get
over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn the
key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not much you
can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all. Harsh, but
true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up should
be
added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't help users of
other
screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a keystroke is necessary
anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me ,
although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I am
lucky
that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know, and in most
cases I
have warning that I am going to receive a call, so I go into the Skype
window in Skype 8, which I tend to leave open while Skype is running
anyway,
and press Tab till I find the Answer button. There's a Decline button
too,
which comes before the Answer button while tabbing through the window,
so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise
it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype, and pressing
Enter
on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the Skype window again.
Since I
rarely minimize the Skype window while my Skype 8 is running, I don't
know
if an incoming call will make that window appear, that's why I
mentioned how
to open it while Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script stored in
default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because
that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to the
Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID, then
tab
to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less prone
to
the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!" situation.
This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam
calls that
are made to my phone number, which I route through Skype specifically
so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the hell
with
Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype 8,
but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called you
and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that person
and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily give
the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e for
ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@...
http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@...
http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln








Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Octavian Rasnita
 

Wasn't Skype better accessible until now? For many years?
What Microsoft done was to limit the size of the file that can be
transferred to 300 mb, to transfer the file to its server first, so decrease
the privacy, and now eliminated some of the feature of the program.
Isn't this true?

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Holcomb II" <@JHRadio>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype
and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could
walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype
to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator
and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work
well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the
internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility
that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100%
certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against,
thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are
stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to
accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the
future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how
not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough
that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more
colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with
it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much
about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make the list constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln









Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Joseph Machise
 

well folks, I am not using windows10, using windows7 that's my feeling about microsoft, you don't have to except it, sorry you don't understand, GW was the best program for skype, then stick with the big corp if you wish thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Wasn't Skype better accessible until now? For many years?
What Microsoft done was to limit the size of the file that can be
transferred to 300 mb, to transfer the file to its server first, so decrease
the privacy, and now eliminated some of the feature of the program.
Isn't this true?

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Holcomb II" <@JHRadio>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype
and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could
walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype
to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator
and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work
well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the
internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility
that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100%
certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against,
thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are
stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to
accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the
future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how
not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough
that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more
colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with
it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much
about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make the list constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln

















Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Shaun Oliver
 

I'm sorry but I must interject at this juncture.

While this isn't a forum for discussing the merits of XP VS. win7 VS. Win8 VS. win10, etc, I should like to point out that in terms of overall accessibility, things have only improved, with each above mentioned itteration of windows.


Just because things aren't in the places you initially found them under say XP or 7, doesn't mean they aren't there or made inaccessible.


Overall accessibility is still the purview of the app developers themselves, and they are under no obligation whatsoever, to accomodate what is essentially a minority group.


Make no mistake my fellow forum members, we, are, a, minority, group. And while as a collective community we have managed to successfully campaign for better accessibility overall, we are not about to receive total accessibility, as there is always going to be developers that will simply throw the concept in to the too hard basket, simply because it neither affects their bottom line, nor fits in with their vision, or worse yet, don't even know it's even there at the click of a button. although, due to various bits of legislature and programming standards set by what I will for the sake of the argument call The-Big-Three, Google, Apple and Microsoft, This is becoming less and less of an issue.


The likes of James Tae, Michael Curren, Joseph Lee and dare I say Jonathan Mosen and others like them, are good for the promotion of accessibility needs and the advocating of making life as a whole easier for us as a community. in spite of my own personal oppinions regarding some of teh individuals I've mentioned, I cannot deny they have done a great deal for improving our overall computing experience as a whole.


We cannot micromanage to the point that each individual has something taylored to shit him or herself, if we did that, we'd never get anything done, and developers would be overwhelmed with requests and demands to customise the software just so one person is happier and able to utilise the software better.


So, with all due respect, kindly remember that the list archives are public, and with that in mind, please do your utmost to offer up constructive feedback instead of asking for something that has been stated time and time again is not easily, if at all doable. Learn the ropes so that you can then pay it forward to someone else that might be struggling, and thus we can continue providing good advice and constructive and helpful hints for those that aren't yet up to our level.

On 5/10/2018 15:29, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Sarah, you are right, but this is true just for the large public, not for those who have very specific needs.
You surely don't need to use the command line under Windows, because if you would need it, you would know that it is worse under Windows 7 when compared with the one under Windows XP.

And other programs are also less accessible under Windows 7 than under Windows XP.

If you don't care about the other people needs, it doesn't mean that those needs don't exist.

If some computer users are bored and like to keep discovering new things, other users might not have time to spend for nothing for doing that.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I have to gree. I recently used narrator to troubleshoot some stuff a few months ago and it was very very doable. Go microsoft and go skype on all platforms. It really is a piece of cake to use and a fun and joyful experience.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:36, John Holcomb II wrote:

I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100% certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against, thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more  comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make  the list  constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's  the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic  but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated  or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can  do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true  in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting."  --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln
















Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Shaun Oliver
 

you can receive a file on any device, the buttons are there and clearly labeled, and stand prouder than a honeymooner's well, you get the idea. Suffice it to say, it is doable, and easily so at that. please kindly stop looking for problems where there are none to be had.

On 5/10/2018 15:32, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
It depends on what you are doing. If you'd need to be able to receive a file by Skype than process it with different programs that can't run on iPAD, it wouldn't be so productive. It wouldn't be duable at all. Please don't think that all the people have so limited needs.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


further to my last, case in point, my last, I wrote on my iPad. there are no hotkeys or keyboard keystrokes specifically for skype on said device, nore are there specific ones save those already clearly listed for the mac either. nor are there any for the iPhone. Yet, lo and behold, shock of all shocks, I can still use them efficiently with the same level of productivity. now isn't that a kick in the pants?



On 5/10/2018 01:38, Shaun Oliver wrote:
Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not much you can  do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all. Harsh, but true  in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up should be
added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't help users of other
screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me ,
although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I am lucky
that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know, and in most cases I
have warning that I am going to receive a call, so I go into the Skype
window in Skype 8, which I tend to leave open while Skype is running anyway,
and press Tab till I find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too,
which comes before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can minimise
it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype, and pressing Enter
on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the Skype window again. Since I
rarely minimize the Skype window while my Skype 8 is running, I don't know
if an incoming call will make that window appear, that's why I mentioned how
to open it while Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
 From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script stored in
default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget, because
that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8 window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to the
Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID, then tab
to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less prone to
the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!" situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of spam
calls that
are made to my phone number, which I route through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the hell with
Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype 8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting."  --Sarah Alawami




--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln









Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Shaun Oliver
 

I will grant you one caveat, however, sending a file in skype for windows, is quite frankly a little dicey, and I'd like to see that rectified, but as it is not something I do often what with the plethora of cloud services available, I'm not about to make a musical out of it.

On 5/10/2018 15:32, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
It depends on what you are doing. If you'd need to be able to receive a file by Skype than process it with different programs that can't run on iPAD, it wouldn't be so productive. It wouldn't be duable at all. Please don't think that all the people have so limited needs.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


further to my last, case in point, my last, I wrote on my iPad. there are no hotkeys or keyboard keystrokes specifically for skype on said device, nore are there specific ones save those already clearly listed for the mac either. nor are there any for the iPhone. Yet, lo and behold, shock of all shocks, I can still use them efficiently with the same level of productivity. now isn't that a kick in the pants?



On 5/10/2018 01:38, Shaun Oliver wrote:
Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not much you can  do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all. Harsh, but true  in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up should be
added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't help users of other
screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me ,
although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I am lucky
that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know, and in most cases I
have warning that I am going to receive a call, so I go into the Skype
window in Skype 8, which I tend to leave open while Skype is running anyway,
and press Tab till I find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too,
which comes before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can minimise
it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype, and pressing Enter
on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the Skype window again. Since I
rarely minimize the Skype window while my Skype 8 is running, I don't know
if an incoming call will make that window appear, that's why I mentioned how
to open it while Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
 From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script stored in
default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget, because
that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8 window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to the
Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID, then tab
to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less prone to
the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!" situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of spam
calls that
are made to my phone number, which I route through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the hell with
Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype 8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting."  --Sarah Alawami




--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln









Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Shaun Oliver
 

actually no, because before MS bought Skype, it was owned by the developers of Kazzaa. They admitedly started to get it right towards the end, but, to start with, Skype was in fact very much inaccessible and an absolute nightmare to work with.


I should know, I started using it when it was on version three.

On 5/10/2018 15:40, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Wasn't Skype better accessible until now? For many years?
What Microsoft done was to limit the size of the file that can be
transferred to 300 mb, to transfer the file to its server first, so decrease
the privacy, and now eliminated some of the feature of the program.
Isn't this true?

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Holcomb II" <@JHRadio>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype
and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could
walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype
to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator
and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work
well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the
internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility
that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100%
certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against,
thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are
stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to
accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the
future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how
not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough
that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more
colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with
it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much
about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more  comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make  the list  constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's  the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic  but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can  do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true  in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting."  --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln

















Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Shaun Oliver
 

GW was a bolt on at best and crashed more often than a blind man driving on the road.


I'll grant you, the concept was sound, and when it worked, it worked well, however, Skype, rightfully, in my oppinion decided to close off their API and SDK, because it left itself open to much exploitation, and anything that can prevent that even if it is at the cost of a few ruffled feathers from a minority group, who, in the grand scheme of things, are neither the only such minority, nor beyond using manners to advocate for their needs, to the point that we now have a working accessible solution, is no bad thing.


Give MS a chance, they are doing far better than they have done in the past, and they and we, are both reaping the benifits of their efforts.

On 5/10/2018 15:56, Joseph Machise wrote:
well folks, I am not using windows10, using windows7 that's my feeling about microsoft, you don't have to except it, sorry you don't understand, GW was the best program for skype, then stick with the big corp if you wish thanks.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Wasn't Skype better accessible until now? For many years?
What Microsoft done was to limit the size of the file that can be
transferred to 300 mb, to transfer the file to its server first, so decrease
the privacy, and now eliminated some of the feature of the program.
Isn't this true?

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Holcomb II" <@JHRadio>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype
and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could
walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype
to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator
and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work
well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the
internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility
that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100%
certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against,
thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are
stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to
accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the
future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how
not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough
that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more
colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with
it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much
about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more  comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make  the list  constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's  the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic  but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can  do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true  in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting."  --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee                 dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln



















Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Octavian Rasnita
 

I am not referring to Skype at its start, but just right before beeing bought by Microsoft.
A long period there were some people that were still using an older versions of Skype exactly because they considered it more accessible. I wasn't one of them so I don't know exactly what version.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


actually no, because before MS bought Skype, it was owned by the developers of Kazzaa. They admitedly started to get it right towards the end, but, to start with, Skype was in fact very much inaccessible and an absolute nightmare to work with.


I should know, I started using it when it was on version three.



On 5/10/2018 15:40, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Wasn't Skype better accessible until now? For many years?
What Microsoft done was to limit the size of the file that can be
transferred to 300 mb, to transfer the file to its server first, so decrease
the privacy, and now eliminated some of the feature of the program.
Isn't this true?

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Holcomb II" <@JHRadio>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype
and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could
walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype
to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator
and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work
well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the
internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility
that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100%
certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against,
thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are
stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to
accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the
future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how
not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough
that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more
colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with
it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much
about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make the list constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln


















Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Octavian Rasnita
 

The accessibility is the final result seen by the user, not the features offered by the operating system's manufacturer, because if the screen reader manufacturer can't keep up with the changes, the final result might be worse for the final user and nobody will appear as guilty.
As examples, MS DOS prompt and TextPad editor are less accessible under Windows 7 than under Windows XP, even now after many years, when Windows 7 is almost dead.
This decreased the productivity of the blind users that used them, with no other benefit, so it can't be considered something good.

Windows 7 became better than XP for audio editting and became more secure, so it this is something good, but it also became worse for some other things. We should accept that what is good is good, but also that what is bad is bad, and we can't simply say that what is bad it doesn't matter because this or that thing doesn't affect us.

Now speaking about Skype 8 for Windows, I am still trying to see what are its advantages, what is it better than Skype 7 for, what it can do what Skype 7 for Windows couldn't do, but I haven't seen any useful thing that can compensate its disadvantages.
I am sure that it is very good for some people, but this doesn't mean that it is the same for everybody, or that only those who find it useful should express their opinions.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I'm sorry but I must interject at this juncture.

While this isn't a forum for discussing the merits of XP VS. win7 VS. Win8 VS. win10, etc, I should like to point out that in terms of overall accessibility, things have only improved, with each above mentioned itteration of windows.


Just because things aren't in the places you initially found them under say XP or 7, doesn't mean they aren't there or made inaccessible.


Overall accessibility is still the purview of the app developers themselves, and they are under no obligation whatsoever, to accomodate what is essentially a minority group.


Make no mistake my fellow forum members, we, are, a, minority, group. And while as a collective community we have managed to successfully campaign for better accessibility overall, we are not about to receive total accessibility, as there is always going to be developers that will simply throw the concept in to the too hard basket, simply because it neither affects their bottom line, nor fits in with their vision, or worse yet, don't even know it's even there at the click of a button. although, due to various bits of legislature and programming standards set by what I will for the sake of the argument call The-Big-Three, Google, Apple and Microsoft, This is becoming less and less of an issue.


The likes of James Tae, Michael Curren, Joseph Lee and dare I say Jonathan Mosen and others like them, are good for the promotion of accessibility needs and the advocating of making life as a whole easier for us as a community. in spite of my own personal oppinions regarding some of teh individuals I've mentioned, I cannot deny they have done a great deal for improving our overall computing experience as a whole.


We cannot micromanage to the point that each individual has something taylored to shit him or herself, if we did that, we'd never get anything done, and developers would be overwhelmed with requests and demands to customise the software just so one person is happier and able to utilise the software better.


So, with all due respect, kindly remember that the list archives are public, and with that in mind, please do your utmost to offer up constructive feedback instead of asking for something that has been stated time and time again is not easily, if at all doable. Learn the ropes so that you can then pay it forward to someone else that might be struggling, and thus we can continue providing good advice and constructive and helpful hints for those that aren't yet up to our level.



On 5/10/2018 15:29, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Sarah, you are right, but this is true just for the large public, not for those who have very specific needs.
You surely don't need to use the command line under Windows, because if you would need it, you would know that it is worse under Windows 7 when compared with the one under Windows XP.

And other programs are also less accessible under Windows 7 than under Windows XP.

If you don't care about the other people needs, it doesn't mean that those needs don't exist.

If some computer users are bored and like to keep discovering new things, other users might not have time to spend for nothing for doing that.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I have to gree. I recently used narrator to troubleshoot some stuff a few months ago and it was very very doable. Go microsoft and go skype on all platforms. It really is a piece of cake to use and a fun and joyful experience.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:36, John Holcomb II wrote:

I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with Skype and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I could walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably get Skype to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not used narrator and Skype together, but they're all about making first party software work well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by the internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of possibility that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with almost 100% certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being railed against, thus causing very real problems in the long run for those of us that are stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss overall improvements to accessibility for various applications we'd like to make good use of in the future. it is those kinds of comments and remarks and complaints about how not enough is being done and what is already there is nowhere near enough that causes devs on the whole to say, and please excuse my use of the more colorful, even if by initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with it because it's too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much about attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make the list constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami





--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln

















Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Octavian Rasnita
 

You misread my message. You can receive the file on any device, but you
can't process it on any device with the appropriate applications, since some applications are working only
under specific devices and operating systems.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


you can receive a file on any device, the buttons are there and clearly
labeled, and stand prouder than a honeymooner's well, you get the idea.
Suffice it to say, it is doable, and easily so at that. please kindly stop
looking for problems where there are none to be had.



On 5/10/2018 15:32, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
It depends on what you are doing. If you'd need to be able to receive a
file by Skype than process it with different programs that can't run on
iPAD, it wouldn't be so productive. It wouldn't be duable at all. Please
don't think that all the people have so limited needs.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


further to my last, case in point, my last, I wrote on my iPad. there
are no hotkeys or keyboard keystrokes specifically for skype on said
device, nore are there specific ones save those already clearly listed
for the mac either. nor are there any for the iPhone. Yet, lo and
behold, shock of all shocks, I can still use them efficiently with the
same level of productivity. now isn't that a kick in the pants?



On 5/10/2018 01:38, Shaun Oliver wrote:
Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated API
and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply because
MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is not
limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold the
monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with the
badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this isn’t
predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that quite
frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn the new
interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be
added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't help users of
other
screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a keystroke is necessary
anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me ,
although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I am
lucky
that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know, and in most
cases I
have warning that I am going to receive a call, so I go into the
Skype
window in Skype 8, which I tend to leave open while Skype is running
anyway,
and press Tab till I find the Answer button. There's a Decline
button too,
which comes before the Answer button while tabbing through the
window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise
it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype, and pressing
Enter
on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the Skype window again.
Since I
rarely minimize the Skype window while my Skype 8 is running, I
don't know
if an incoming call will make that window appear, that's why I
mentioned how
to open it while Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of
Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script stored
in
default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because
that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the
Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab
to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to
the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!" situation.
This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam
calls that
are made to my phone number, which I route through Skype
specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the hell
with
Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype 8,
but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called you
and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that person
and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily give
the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e for
ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami




--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a
man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln










Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Brian Hartgen <brianhartgen@...>
 

Hi to all

I've hesitated a lot in writing on what has proved to be quite a thorny issue, but it is worth making one or two points.

I absolutely agree that Microsoft have made tremendous strides in terms of accessibility enhancements during recent years, both in terms of the Windows operating system and Office in particular. I also agree that, where possible, blind people who are capable of doing so should get to learn a new interface, such as Skype8, and work with what there is in terms of using that accessibility implementation to good effect.

But having visited people training them for 21 years, I am very aware that change does not always come easy. So to people who suggest that not having global keystrokes to answer or disconnect a call etc does not matter a jot, to some people it definitely does. Along with visual impairment, other health-related issues are often present manifesting in great anxiety or fear of the unknown, not to mention people who have lost their sight later in life who often find even simple tasks a challenge.

So yes, while Microsoft have undertaken a good deal of work, I feel it is up to us as access technology companies, including VFO and similar organisations, to reach out to their customers and ask them what they want.

We did exactly this. We decided that Skype8 was something we needed to devote some time and resources to, so I have written some JAWS scripts for one of our products which attempt to at least make the transition from one Skype version to another easier. This includes global hotkeys, reading of text chat messages in the way a person has previously been familiar with, and so on. We're also offering a training course in the use of Skype8.
Note this message is by no means a commercial. I am just stating what we are doing and that theoretically enhancements are possible.

Whether I have been successful in assisting people to transition successfully, only time will tell. But the point of my message is that the person originally posting to this list about the need for implementing enhanced functionality other than the default does have a very valid case. I would personally like to see VFO, (or whatever the new name of the company is now - I can ever remember it), and NVDA developers, build such functionality into their respective products by default. Skype8 is obviously something people need to migrate to if they wish to continue using this method of communication. To show my support, I will be at least writing to VFO today to that effect.

Brian Hartgen

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: 05 October 2018 08:44
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

The accessibility is the final result seen by the user, not the features offered by the operating system's manufacturer, because if the screen reader manufacturer can't keep up with the changes, the final result might be worse for the final user and nobody will appear as guilty.
As examples, MS DOS prompt and TextPad editor are less accessible under Windows 7 than under Windows XP, even now after many years, when Windows 7 is almost dead.
This decreased the productivity of the blind users that used them, with no other benefit, so it can't be considered something good.

Windows 7 became better than XP for audio editting and became more secure, so it this is something good, but it also became worse for some other things. We should accept that what is good is good, but also that what is bad is bad, and we can't simply say that what is bad it doesn't matter because this or that thing doesn't affect us.

Now speaking about Skype 8 for Windows, I am still trying to see what are its advantages, what is it better than Skype 7 for, what it can do what Skype 7 for Windows couldn't do, but I haven't seen any useful thing that can compensate its disadvantages.
I am sure that it is very good for some people, but this doesn't mean that it is the same for everybody, or that only those who find it useful should express their opinions.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I'm sorry but I must interject at this juncture.

While this isn't a forum for discussing the merits of XP VS. win7 VS. Win8
VS. win10, etc, I should like to point out that in terms of overall
accessibility, things have only improved, with each above mentioned
itteration of windows.


Just because things aren't in the places you initially found them under
say XP or 7, doesn't mean they aren't there or made inaccessible.


Overall accessibility is still the purview of the app developers
themselves, and they are under no obligation whatsoever, to accomodate
what is essentially a minority group.


Make no mistake my fellow forum members, we, are, a, minority, group. And
while as a collective community we have managed to successfully campaign
for better accessibility overall, we are not about to receive total
accessibility, as there is always going to be developers that will simply
throw the concept in to the too hard basket, simply because it neither
affects their bottom line, nor fits in with their vision, or worse yet,
don't even know it's even there at the click of a button. although, due to
various bits of legislature and programming standards set by what I will
for the sake of the argument call The-Big-Three, Google, Apple and
Microsoft, This is becoming less and less of an issue.


The likes of James Tae, Michael Curren, Joseph Lee and dare I say Jonathan
Mosen and others like them, are good for the promotion of accessibility
needs and the advocating of making life as a whole easier for us as a
community. in spite of my own personal oppinions regarding some of teh
individuals I've mentioned, I cannot deny they have done a great deal for
improving our overall computing experience as a whole.


We cannot micromanage to the point that each individual has something
taylored to shit him or herself, if we did that, we'd never get anything
done, and developers would be overwhelmed with requests and demands to
customise the software just so one person is happier and able to utilise
the software better.


So, with all due respect, kindly remember that the list archives are
public, and with that in mind, please do your utmost to offer up
constructive feedback instead of asking for something that has been stated
time and time again is not easily, if at all doable. Learn the ropes so
that you can then pay it forward to someone else that might be struggling,
and thus we can continue providing good advice and constructive and
helpful hints for those that aren't yet up to our level.



On 5/10/2018 15:29, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Sarah, you are right, but this is true just for the large public, not for
those who have very specific needs.
You surely don't need to use the command line under Windows, because if
you would need it, you would know that it is worse under Windows 7 when
compared with the one under Windows XP.

And other programs are also less accessible under Windows 7 than under
Windows XP.

If you don't care about the other people needs, it doesn't mean that
those needs don't exist.

If some computer users are bored and like to keep discovering new things,
other users might not have time to spend for nothing for doing that.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I have to gree. I recently used narrator to troubleshoot some stuff a
few months ago and it was very very doable. Go microsoft and go skype on
all platforms. It really is a piece of cake to use and a fun and joyful
experience.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:36, John Holcomb II wrote:

I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with
Skype and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I
could walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably
get Skype to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not
used narrator and Skype together, but they're all about making first
party software work well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shaun Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by
the internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of
possibility that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with
almost 100% certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being
railed against, thus causing very real problems in the long run for
those of us that are stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss
overall improvements to accessibility for various applications we'd
like to make good use of in the future. it is those kinds of comments
and remarks and complaints about how not enough is being done and what
is already there is nowhere near enough that causes devs on the whole
to say, and please excuse my use of the more colorful, even if by
initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with it because it's
too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much about
attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make the list constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that
instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of
skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of
skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of
skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a
call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
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Re: help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

Shaun Oliver
 

Might it not also be prudent to reach out to Microsoft and address those self same concerns with them? otherwise, they aren't likely to be aware that that functionality has a need, because as helpful as they are, they are still a conglomerate that needs to pay attention to their profit margin. That being said, the fact that they are prepared to listen and hopefully give reasons as to why or why not, is surely no bad thing?

On 5/10/2018 17:41, Brian Hartgen wrote:
Hi to all

I've hesitated a lot in writing on what has proved to be quite a thorny issue, but it is worth making one or two points.

I absolutely agree that Microsoft have made tremendous strides in terms of accessibility enhancements during recent years, both in terms of the Windows operating system and Office in particular. I also agree that, where possible, blind people who are capable of doing so should get to learn a new interface, such as Skype8, and work with what there is in terms of using that accessibility implementation to good effect.

But having visited people training them for 21 years, I am very aware that change does not always come easy. So to people who suggest that not having global keystrokes to answer or disconnect a call etc does not matter a jot, to some people it definitely does. Along with visual impairment, other health-related issues are often present manifesting in great anxiety or fear of the unknown, not to mention people who have lost their sight later in life who often find even simple tasks a challenge.

So yes, while Microsoft have undertaken a good deal of work, I feel it is up to us as access technology companies, including VFO and similar organisations, to reach out to their customers and ask them what they want.

We did exactly this. We decided that Skype8 was something we needed to devote some time and resources to, so I have written some JAWS scripts for one of our products which attempt to at least make the transition from one Skype version to another easier. This includes global hotkeys, reading of text chat messages in the way a person has previously been familiar with, and so on. We're also offering a training course in the use of Skype8.
Note this message is by no means a commercial. I am just stating what we are doing and that theoretically enhancements are possible.

Whether I have been successful in assisting people to transition successfully, only time will tell. But the point of my message is that the person originally posting to this list about the need for implementing enhanced functionality other than the default does have a very valid case. I would personally like to see VFO, (or whatever the new name of the company is now - I can ever remember it), and NVDA developers, build such functionality into their respective products by default. Skype8 is obviously something people need to migrate to if they wish to continue using this method of communication. To show my support, I will be at least writing to VFO today to that effect.

Brian Hartgen

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: 05 October 2018 08:44
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

The accessibility is the final result seen by the user, not the features offered by the operating system's manufacturer, because if the screen reader manufacturer can't keep up with the changes, the final result might be worse for the final user and nobody will appear as guilty.
As examples, MS DOS prompt and TextPad editor are less accessible under Windows 7 than under Windows XP, even now after many years, when Windows 7 is almost dead.
This decreased the productivity of the blind users that used them, with no other benefit, so it can't be considered something good.

Windows 7 became better than XP for audio editting and became more secure, so it this is something good, but it also became worse for some other things. We should accept that what is good is good, but also that what is bad is bad, and we can't simply say that what is bad it doesn't matter because this or that thing doesn't affect us.

Now speaking about Skype 8 for Windows, I am still trying to see what are its advantages, what is it better than Skype 7 for, what it can do what Skype 7 for Windows couldn't do, but I haven't seen any useful thing that can compensate its disadvantages.
I am sure that it is very good for some people, but this doesn't mean that it is the same for everybody, or that only those who find it useful should express their opinions.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I'm sorry but I must interject at this juncture.

While this isn't a forum for discussing the merits of XP VS. win7 VS. Win8
VS. win10, etc, I should like to point out that in terms of overall
accessibility, things have only improved, with each above mentioned
itteration of windows.


Just because things aren't in the places you initially found them under
say XP or 7, doesn't mean they aren't there or made inaccessible.


Overall accessibility is still the purview of the app developers
themselves, and they are under no obligation whatsoever, to accomodate
what is essentially a minority group.


Make no mistake my fellow forum members, we, are, a, minority, group. And
while as a collective community we have managed to successfully campaign
for better accessibility overall, we are not about to receive total
accessibility, as there is always going to be developers that will simply
throw the concept in to the too hard basket, simply because it neither
affects their bottom line, nor fits in with their vision, or worse yet,
don't even know it's even there at the click of a button. although, due to
various bits of legislature and programming standards set by what I will
for the sake of the argument call The-Big-Three, Google, Apple and
Microsoft, This is becoming less and less of an issue.


The likes of James Tae, Michael Curren, Joseph Lee and dare I say Jonathan
Mosen and others like them, are good for the promotion of accessibility
needs and the advocating of making life as a whole easier for us as a
community. in spite of my own personal oppinions regarding some of teh
individuals I've mentioned, I cannot deny they have done a great deal for
improving our overall computing experience as a whole.


We cannot micromanage to the point that each individual has something
taylored to shit him or herself, if we did that, we'd never get anything
done, and developers would be overwhelmed with requests and demands to
customise the software just so one person is happier and able to utilise
the software better.


So, with all due respect, kindly remember that the list archives are
public, and with that in mind, please do your utmost to offer up
constructive feedback instead of asking for something that has been stated
time and time again is not easily, if at all doable. Learn the ropes so
that you can then pay it forward to someone else that might be struggling,
and thus we can continue providing good advice and constructive and
helpful hints for those that aren't yet up to our level.



On 5/10/2018 15:29, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Sarah, you are right, but this is true just for the large public, not for
those who have very specific needs.
You surely don't need to use the command line under Windows, because if
you would need it, you would know that it is worse under Windows 7 when
compared with the one under Windows XP.

And other programs are also less accessible under Windows 7 than under
Windows XP.

If you don't care about the other people needs, it doesn't mean that
those needs don't exist.

If some computer users are bored and like to keep discovering new things,
other users might not have time to spend for nothing for doing that.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


I have to gree. I recently used narrator to troubleshoot some stuff a
few months ago and it was very very doable. Go microsoft and go skype on
all platforms. It really is a piece of cake to use and a fun and joyful
experience.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:36, John Holcomb II wrote:

I think MS should actually be commended on their accessibility with
Skype and their other products.
No company does everything perfect, but if I wanted to right now, I
could walk up to any Windows 10 based computer and use it, and probably
get Skype to work somehow accessibly too! I say somehow as I have not
used narrator and Skype together, but they're all about making first
party software work well, and third party stuff too.

Now how amazing is that?


-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shaun Oliver
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:41 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.

and by that reasoning, given the archives are public, and searchable by
the internet as a whole, it is therefore, not beyond the realm of
possibility that the afforementioned remarks would, I can say with
almost 100% certainty, find their way back to the vendor that is being
railed against, thus causing very real problems in the long run for
those of us that are stern yet polite when we approach same to discuss
overall improvements to accessibility for various applications we'd
like to make good use of in the future. it is those kinds of comments
and remarks and complaints about how not enough is being done and what
is already there is nowhere near enough that causes devs on the whole
to say, and please excuse my use of the more colorful, even if by
initial only, "F you, we don't want to be bothered with it because it's
too hard." when in reality, gaining accessibility is as much about
attitude as developers willingness to accomodate.

so I am with Sarah 100% on this.



On 5/10/2018 02:03, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Lol. I'm the admin. I have to be nice. Hehahahahaha. I am also working
on my professional tone, which needs a lot of work.

And yes I do agree. One more comment like that from anyone and they
will with out warning be placed on a 1 month moderation. We want to
make the list constructive and these archives by my choice are
public, so let's try and be civil here. If you don't like it, as my
teacher used to say, there's the door. I do not want to moderate the
topic but one more bad apple and it will either be moderated or
locked. You all have ben forewarned.

On 4 Oct 2018, at 9:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:

Thank you Sarah. I would not have even been as nice about it. as it
was, I’d already stated that it won’t happen due to the deprecated
API and unavailability of the SDK.

and really, Joseph, Comments such as to hell with microsoft are the
kinds of comments we could all quite frankly do without, simply
because MS, in recent times, has actually begun to carefully consider
accessibility and implement same, despite the bleeting from the NFB
wanting to keep accessibility firmly within the control of the
blindness community. and really people as a whole, accessibility is
not limited to blind people alone. we do not, nor wil we ever hold
the monopoly on accessibility needs, so I suggest we dispense with
the badmouthing, disparraging remarks, the complaining that this
isn’t predictable or how unfair it is that we’re losing hotkeys that
quite frankly nobody gives a rodent’s rectum about, and just learn
the new interface, build a bridge and get over it.

Sent from Shaun's iPad

On 5 Oct 2018, at 01:31, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I doubt they will, so until and if they do, learn skype 8 and learn
the key strokes, and learn your web keys. If you don't like it not
much you can do but uninstall skype and use zoom or nothing at all.
Harsh, but true in this case.

Take care

On 4 Oct 2018, at 3:14, Joseph Machise wrote:

Clare thanks hope they get GW back again under another name from
Joseph.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Page"
<clare.page@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of skype.


Hi!
It's all very well to say that a keystroke such as alt+page up
should be added to the JAWS scripts of Skype 8, but that won't
help users of other screen-readers. I'm not sure that such a
keystroke is necessary anyway.
Doug's way of answering Skype calls seems rather complicated to me
, although that may make seeing who the caller is a bit easier. I
am lucky that the Skype calls I receive are from people I know,
and in most cases I have warning that I am going to receive a
call, so I go into the Skype window in Skype 8, which I tend to
leave open while Skype is running anyway, and press Tab till I
find the Answer button. There's a Decline button too, which comes
before the Answer button while tabbing through the window, so if
you don't want to take the incoming call, you can use that
instead.
If you don't want to keep the Skype window open like I do, you can
minimise it with alt+f4 like you did in older versions of Skype,
and pressing Enter on the Skype icon on your desktop will open the
Skype window again. Since I rarely minimize the Skype window while
my Skype 8 is running, I don't know if an incoming call will make
that window appear, that's why I mentioned how to open it while
Skype is still running.
I hope this helps!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: mercredi 3 octobre 2018 18:01
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of
skype.

Hi Doug,

Can't be made a script that executes these hotkeys, a script
stored in default.jss?
If it would be possible, we could assign a hotkey for it, say
Alt+PgUp, and
one of the problems could be solved.

I hope that it is not a problem that the window uses a web widget,
because that can't be solved.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of
skype.


The plan for taking an incoming call in Skype 8 is this:

1. Make a shortcut key that immediately puts focus on the Skype 8
window.
Do this by assigning a shortcut key, such as Ctrl+Shift+Alt+K, to
the Skype 8 Desktop shortcut.

2. When a call comes in, type your shortcut, tab for caller ID,
then tab to the Answer button and press Space.

This is more keystrokes than Alt+PgUp was, but it is also less
prone to the, "Oh goodness, I did not mean to pick up that call!"
situation. This
situation would be my description of most calls I get, because of
spam calls that are made to my phone number, which I route
through Skype specifically so I
can handle such things intelligently.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 08:36:20AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well dug until we get a new version of GW connect, and say the
hell with Microsoft do you have a hot key for answering a call
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] help with the new 8.3 version of
skype.


My experience says Ctrl+Shift+P never answered a call in Skype
8, but
that
if you happened to be displaying the same contact that called
you and you
typed Ctrl+Shift+P, Skype tried to initiate a call to that
person and
simply
connected to the incoming call as a result. This could easily
give the
illusion that Ctrl+Shift+P answers calls if you are testing the
feature
and thus are likely to be showing that exact contact when a call
arrives.

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:03:13PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
I'll try ctrl+shift+p the next time I sign in on Skype and a
call
arrives,
I
only used it for starting a call. Anyway I can confirm ctrl+e
for ending
a
call, I tested it sometimes.
Bye!
Barbuz



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Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami




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Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a
man's
character, give him power." -Abraham Lincoln