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Clare Page
 

Hi!

It’s a matter of personal choice whether we upgrade our computers to Windows 10 or not, but, for those of us who are still using Windows 7, Skype 8 works well with it.

It’s true that we’re not all good at learning new layouts of programs, but, once you’ve got used to Skype 8, whichever version of Windows you use it on, it’s definitely accessible and very usable. OK, some features from Skype 7 have gone, but that doesn’t stop Skype 8 form working well.

For this reason, and because we don’t know how much longer Microsoft will allow Skype 7 to keep going, I’m sticking with Skype 8, and I don’t feel the need to downgrade to Skype 7, even though I feel it was slightly better in some ways.

Bye for now, and happy skyping, whichever version you use!

From Clare

 

 

From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of Pete via Groups.Io
Sent: jeudi 9 août 2018 20:44
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

I upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 in 2016, people were spreading stories around that 10 was vastly different, but once I got it I found that I didn’t have to change anything, all the commands I used in 7 still work in 10.

 

Pete H.

 

From: Josephine Hirsch

Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 7:25 PM

To: skypeenglish@groups.io

Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

The thing about Skype 8 is that I do not like it because it took me 2 hours to use it. I like Skype 7 because I have Windows 7 OS and no offense, Windows 10 is hard to use, plus, the commands for Windows 10 is way different than Windows 7. I am glad that someone have put their foot down by telling MS that they can't DC Skype 7 because people are used to it.

 

On 8/9/2018 12:53 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

"Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around.".

 

Oh yeah, but this is because you are great! Not all the people are the same and not all of them use the computer for the same things. :-)

 

I used Windows 7 for years, but I still hate it and consider it less accessible than Windows XP.
Even now after so many years, it is still very bad accessible with some applications like TextPad, or MS DOS command prompt when comparing it with the same apps and screen reader under Windows XP.

 

You said that you use NVDA. This means that probably you like it. I don't. Actually I don't like the object navigation. I was sighted and I want to have an experience as close as possible with the one offered to the sighted that can have a visual perspective of the entire screen without analysing each object and sub-object one by one. Maybe with the style of NVDA Skype 8 is OK.

 

Window Eyes was a great screen reader many years ago, however for the single reason that it enforced the users to use the horrible numpad, I refused to use it. This was enough. Because I don't like to use numpad at all for other things just typing digits. For other people this might not be important at all.

 

However, Windows 7 has some stability improvements, so there aren't just disadvantages.
But in Skype 8 I haven't heard about any advantage yet.

 

This is why I said that Skype 8 is worse for me. It may be as good as Skype 7 for you or others, or maybe even better, but this doesn't make it better for me.

 

Our different opinions don't mean contradiction, but are based on our different needs and preferences.

 

For me "learning" means a different thing than for you for sure.
For me, learning means muscle learning, so I don't even need to think how to use it.
If you ask me how I start chatting with somebody on Skype, I'll need to stay a little and think all the steps one by one, and I may not be able to tell you all the steps without doing it. But when I really want to start chatting with somebody, I know that I need to press Insert+F11 to open the list of apps in System tray, and from that point on is just muscle memory, and I don't remember all the steps, but I do it very fast, without needing to hear too much from the screen reader. It is like the muscle memory needed to type a text very fast, without thinking to every letter that you need to type.
And well, unfortunately I'm not so good and I can't change my way of working and re-learning all the hotkey combinations to do what I want as fast as before just in 5 minutes.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah k Alawami

To: skypeenglish@groups.io

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:17 PM

Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around. I use it every day on my youtube streams. If you don’t believe me go to my youtube page. I can get around it farily quickly with nvda.

On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

"just takes geting used to".

 

Yes, but this, and the fact that it doesn't have some features that Skype 7 has, makes it worse than Skype 7. :)

Getting used to something means effort and time consumed, and Skype 7 doesn't require this.

It is good to consume time to learn something new that helps, but for the moment I've seen only missing features in Skype 8, not new helpful things that we can do with it.

It would be great for example if it will have an API that can be used for sending chat messages from programs.

 

I see you compare Skype 8 with the version for Mac, but most Skype users use it under Windows and they will probably never intend to use Mac, so for them is not helpful at all if Skype 8 is similar with the one for Mac, or if the Mac style of using the computer is more friendly with Skype 8, or anything Mac related.

 

The truth is that Skype 8 is much worse accessible than Skype 7 when it is used under Windows with JAWS, and I guess that this is the most used combination.

 

I don't know how easy is to use it with Windows 10 yet, but from what I read from other blind Windows 10 users, Windows 10 is not stable yet, and some updates can damage some things until the next update, so this is also not very useful.

 

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah k Alawami

To: skypeenglish@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

Not true. I use it every day for my streams and my jobs. It is 100 percent accessible and usable and just takes geting used to, so give it a chance.

On 6 Aug 2018, at 20:34, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

new version of Skype really sucks, and is hard to use with screenreaders regardless if you have any type of impairment

 

On 8/6/2018 10:09 PM, Kimmie wrote:

Yeah I definitely put my feedback in there and told them to get their act together.

 

From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Pryde
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 8:33 a.m.
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

This is really good news.

It sounds like they’ve gotten some seriously negative feedback on the new version.

I’ve even heard from people with sight that don’t like it.

Long Live Skype Classic.

 

 

 

From: John Holcomb II

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 2:00 PM

To: skypeenglish@groups.io

Subject: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

 

 

locked Re: Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

Octavian Rasnita
 


"It’s true that we’re not all good at learning new layouts of programs, but, once you’ve got used to Skype 8, whichever version of Windows you use it on, it’s definitely accessible and very usable.".
 
Oh yes, but once we're used to Skype 8, it will appear a new version which will be different, and then somebody else will say that it is not big deal to get used with the new version and so on. :-))
 
It is not a discussion about *learning* to use Skype 8.
Learning how to use it takes literally just a few minutes as Sarah said.
But developing the muscle memory and the speed of using any new interface of a program may take a long time.
Some may also say that it is very easy to learn using the keyboard of a laptop after you used a desktop keyboard a whole life. And yes, it is true, but it takes a much longer time to get used to it and be able to type as fast as you were able to type with the desktop keyboard.
 
And some may say that this is life, that the applications are improved, so we should make the effort to learn the improved version. But can somebody tell what are the real improvements of the new Skype and what are the advantages of using it?
 
Yes you are right. It is a matter of personal preference if we switch from Win 7 to Win 10, but this is because we still have the possibility of choosing. And if somebody chosen Win 7, it means that it is better for them. Unfortunately Microsoft wanted to exempt us from the effort of choosing between Skype versions, no matter which version is better for us. :-)
--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: Clare Page
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

Hi!

It’s a matter of personal choice whether we upgrade our computers to Windows 10 or not, but, for those of us who are still using Windows 7, Skype 8 works well with it.

It’s true that we’re not all good at learning new layouts of programs, but, once you’ve got used to Skype 8, whichever version of Windows you use it on, it’s definitely accessible and very usable. OK, some features from Skype 7 have gone, but that doesn’t stop Skype 8 form working well.

For this reason, and because we don’t know how much longer Microsoft will allow Skype 7 to keep going, I’m sticking with Skype 8, and I don’t feel the need to downgrade to Skype 7, even though I feel it was slightly better in some ways.

Bye for now, and happy skyping, whichever version you use!

From Clare

 

 

From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of Pete via Groups.Io
Sent: jeudi 9 août 2018 20:44
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

I upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 in 2016, people were spreading stories around that 10 was vastly different, but once I got it I found that I didn’t have to change anything, all the commands I used in 7 still work in 10.

 

Pete H.

 

From: Josephine Hirsch

Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 7:25 PM

To: skypeenglish@groups.io

Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

The thing about Skype 8 is that I do not like it because it took me 2 hours to use it. I like Skype 7 because I have Windows 7 OS and no offense, Windows 10 is hard to use, plus, the commands for Windows 10 is way different than Windows 7. I am glad that someone have put their foot down by telling MS that they can't DC Skype 7 because people are used to it.

 

On 8/9/2018 12:53 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

"Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around.".

 

Oh yeah, but this is because you are great! Not all the people are the same and not all of them use the computer for the same things. :-)

 

I used Windows 7 for years, but I still hate it and consider it less accessible than Windows XP.
Even now after so many years, it is still very bad accessible with some applications like TextPad, or MS DOS command prompt when comparing it with the same apps and screen reader under Windows XP.

 

You said that you use NVDA. This means that probably you like it. I don't. Actually I don't like the object navigation. I was sighted and I want to have an experience as close as possible with the one offered to the sighted that can have a visual perspective of the entire screen without analysing each object and sub-object one by one. Maybe with the style of NVDA Skype 8 is OK.

 

Window Eyes was a great screen reader many years ago, however for the single reason that it enforced the users to use the horrible numpad, I refused to use it. This was enough. Because I don't like to use numpad at all for other things just typing digits. For other people this might not be important at all.

 

However, Windows 7 has some stability improvements, so there aren't just disadvantages.
But in Skype 8 I haven't heard about any advantage yet.

 

This is why I said that Skype 8 is worse for me. It may be as good as Skype 7 for you or others, or maybe even better, but this doesn't make it better for me.

 

Our different opinions don't mean contradiction, but are based on our different needs and preferences.

 

For me "learning" means a different thing than for you for sure.
For me, learning means muscle learning, so I don't even need to think how to use it.
If you ask me how I start chatting with somebody on Skype, I'll need to stay a little and think all the steps one by one, and I may not be able to tell you all the steps without doing it. But when I really want to start chatting with somebody, I know that I need to press Insert+F11 to open the list of apps in System tray, and from that point on is just muscle memory, and I don't remember all the steps, but I do it very fast, without needing to hear too much from the screen reader. It is like the muscle memory needed to type a text very fast, without thinking to every letter that you need to type.
And well, unfortunately I'm not so good and I can't change my way of working and re-learning all the hotkey combinations to do what I want as fast as before just in 5 minutes.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah k Alawami

To: skypeenglish@groups.io

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:17 PM

Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around. I use it every day on my youtube streams. If you don’t believe me go to my youtube page. I can get around it farily quickly with nvda.

On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

"just takes geting used to".

 

Yes, but this, and the fact that it doesn't have some features that Skype 7 has, makes it worse than Skype 7. :)

Getting used to something means effort and time consumed, and Skype 7 doesn't require this.

It is good to consume time to learn something new that helps, but for the moment I've seen only missing features in Skype 8, not new helpful things that we can do with it.

It would be great for example if it will have an API that can be used for sending chat messages from programs.

 

I see you compare Skype 8 with the version for Mac, but most Skype users use it under Windows and they will probably never intend to use Mac, so for them is not helpful at all if Skype 8 is similar with the one for Mac, or if the Mac style of using the computer is more friendly with Skype 8, or anything Mac related.

 

The truth is that Skype 8 is much worse accessible than Skype 7 when it is used under Windows with JAWS, and I guess that this is the most used combination.

 

I don't know how easy is to use it with Windows 10 yet, but from what I read from other blind Windows 10 users, Windows 10 is not stable yet, and some updates can damage some things until the next update, so this is also not very useful.

 

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah k Alawami

To: skypeenglish@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

Not true. I use it every day for my streams and my jobs. It is 100 percent accessible and usable and just takes geting used to, so give it a chance.

On 6 Aug 2018, at 20:34, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

new version of Skype really sucks, and is hard to use with screenreaders regardless if you have any type of impairment

 

On 8/6/2018 10:09 PM, Kimmie wrote:

Yeah I definitely put my feedback in there and told them to get their act together.

 

From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Pryde
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 8:33 a.m.
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

This is really good news.

It sounds like they’ve gotten some seriously negative feedback on the new version.

I’ve even heard from people with sight that don’t like it.

Long Live Skype Classic.

 

 

 

From: John Holcomb II

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 2:00 PM

To: skypeenglish@groups.io

Subject: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

 

 

locked Re: Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

João nuno antunes
 

octavian, you'll need to use skype 8 soon enough


Às 8:12 de 10-08-2018, Octavian Rasnita escreveu:
I see you are speaking about respect in the same phrases where you swear a lot. If I don't like a screen reader and I tell this, it doesn't mean disrespect for that screen reader. It is surely very good for others, but I just don't like it. That's all.
 
Or in your book is acceptable only the preference of those who have the same preferences as yours?
 
Sarah said that She likes Skype 8 because it is good for her and I said that I don't like it because it is not good for me, and I also explained why.
This doesn't mean that She is wrong, because I'm sure that for her it is OK. But this doesn't mean that it should be the same for everyone.
 
You really show disrespect by using bad words towards somebody that just tells that has other preferences or needs than yours.
 
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

wrong.


utterly, incontrovertibly wrong.


Read what sarah just said. and really I'm tired of seeing disrespect towards a screenreader based on personal preference. that bullshit died years ago quite frankly you were a voice of discord and discontent among the blinux community about 15 years ago and you have yet to change.


and yes that was a direct slight against an individual. but it was and is also the truth, and I will speak only the truth. now, back to my original point.

in both JAWS and NVDA, you have quicknav keys for navigating a web page. if you are familiar with using these keystrokes, you can just about navigate any web site, or, any web interface. Skype 8, included.


Kindly cease and desist with the disparaging remarks and commentary because that does nobody any good other than to brass people off and set them against you, even if you are attempting to argue what might be to you, a valid point. shooting down someone else's view point, or preference for screenreader, moreover, shooting down the efforts of two people whose motis operandi is, was, to provide a product comparable to what used to be known as the big three, is the hight of disrespect and is utterly gauche, in my book.

Learn it, don't learn it. it's of no consequense to me, but don't sit here and cry about it just because you can. it does nobody any favors.



On 10/08/2018 05:28, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
I think the easiness of usage of different versions of a program can be partially measured by the number of keystrokes and hotkeys needed to do a certain thing.
 
If the number of keypresses/hotkeys is for example double, it means that the new version is twice as hard to use and consumes more time and brain.
 
I don't know what's the situation of Skype 8 from this point of view.
If it requires fewer hotkeys *with JAWS*, not NVDA, then yes, I think I might got used to it and consider it better after a time of using it.
 
The ideal application is the one that doesn't need to be used at all. :)
 
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

Wow, 2 hours? I downloaded skype 8 and learned on a youtube stream how to use it in a matter of minutes.. It is jut like a web page and if you use your quick nav keys un nvda or jaws ou will be able to get around the interface lightning fast. They work well.

On 9 Aug 2018, at 11:25, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

The thing about Skype 8 is that I do not like it because it took me 2 hours to use it. I like Skype 7 because I have Windows 7 OS and no offense, Windows 10 is hard to use, plus, the commands for Windows 10 is way different than Windows 7. I am glad that someone have put their foot down by telling MS that they can't DC Skype 7 because people are used to it.


On 8/9/2018 12:53 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
"Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around.".
 
Oh yeah, but this is because you are great! Not all the people are the same and not all of them use the computer for the same things. :-)
 
I used Windows 7 for years, but I still hate it and consider it less accessible than Windows XP.
Even now after so many years, it is still very bad accessible with some applications like TextPad, or MS DOS command prompt when comparing it with the same apps and screen reader under Windows XP.
 
You said that you use NVDA. This means that probably you like it. I don't. Actually I don't like the object navigation. I was sighted and I want to have an experience as close as possible with the one offered to the sighted that can have a visual perspective of the entire screen without analysing each object and sub-object one by one. Maybe with the style of NVDA Skype 8 is OK.
 
Window Eyes was a great screen reader many years ago, however for the single reason that it enforced the users to use the horrible numpad, I refused to use it. This was enough. Because I don't like to use numpad at all for other things just typing digits. For other people this might not be important at all.
 
However, Windows 7 has some stability improvements, so there aren't just disadvantages.
But in Skype 8 I haven't heard about any advantage yet.
 
This is why I said that Skype 8 is worse for me. It may be as good as Skype 7 for you or others, or maybe even better, but this doesn't make it better for me.
 
Our different opinions don't mean contradiction, but are based on our different needs and preferences.
 
For me "learning" means a different thing than for you for sure.
For me, learning means muscle learning, so I don't even need to think how to use it.
If you ask me how I start chatting with somebody on Skype, I'll need to stay a little and think all the steps one by one, and I may not be able to tell you all the steps without doing it. But when I really want to start chatting with somebody, I know that I need to press Insert+F11 to open the list of apps in System tray, and from that point on is just muscle memory, and I don't remember all the steps, but I do it very fast, without needing to hear too much from the screen reader. It is like the muscle memory needed to type a text very fast, without thinking to every letter that you need to type.
And well, unfortunately I'm not so good and I can't change my way of working and re-learning all the hotkey combinations to do what I want as fast as before just in 5 minutes.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around. I use it every day on my youtube streams. If you don’t believe me go to my youtube page. I can get around it farily quickly with nvda.

On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

"just takes geting used to".
 
Yes, but this, and the fact that it doesn't have some features that Skype 7 has, makes it worse than Skype 7. :)
Getting used to something means effort and time consumed, and Skype 7 doesn't require this.
It is good to consume time to learn something new that helps, but for the moment I've seen only missing features in Skype 8, not new helpful things that we can do with it.
It would be great for example if it will have an API that can be used for sending chat messages from programs.
 
I see you compare Skype 8 with the version for Mac, but most Skype users use it under Windows and they will probably never intend to use Mac, so for them is not helpful at all if Skype 8 is similar with the one for Mac, or if the Mac style of using the computer is more friendly with Skype 8, or anything Mac related.
 
The truth is that Skype 8 is much worse accessible than Skype 7 when it is used under Windows with JAWS, and I guess that this is the most used combination.
 
I don't know how easy is to use it with Windows 10 yet, but from what I read from other blind Windows 10 users, Windows 10 is not stable yet, and some updates can damage some things until the next update, so this is also not very useful.
 
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

Not true. I use it every day for my streams and my jobs. It is 100 percent accessible and usable and just takes geting used to, so give it a chance.

On 6 Aug 2018, at 20:34, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

new version of Skype really sucks, and is hard to use with screenreaders regardless if you have any type of impairment


On 8/6/2018 10:09 PM, Kimmie wrote:

Yeah I definitely put my feedback in there and told them to get their act together.

 

From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Pryde
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 8:33 a.m.
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

This is really good news.

It sounds like they’ve gotten some seriously negative feedback on the new version.

I’ve even heard from people with sight that don’t like it.

Long Live Skype Classic.

 

 

 

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 2:00 PM

Subject: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

 

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All, I’m locking this thread, the name calling and putting either other down is getting a bit out of hand. I know that we all have our opinions and I’m fine with that but I was hoping we could all moderate ourselves. I see now that I was mistaken. So any further discussion at least for this topic is done and over with.

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On 9 Aug 2018, at 12:58, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

I think the easiness of usage of different versions of a program can be partially measured by the number of keystrokes and hotkeys needed to do a certain thing.
 
If the number of keypresses/hotkeys is for example double, it means that the new version is twice as hard to use and consumes more time and brain.
 
I don't know what's the situation of Skype 8 from this point of view.
If it requires fewer hotkeys *with JAWS*, not NVDA, then yes, I think I might got used to it and consider it better after a time of using it.
 
The ideal application is the one that doesn't need to be used at all. :)
 
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

Wow, 2 hours? I downloaded skype 8 and learned on a youtube stream how to use it in a matter of minutes.. It is jut like a web page and if you use your quick nav keys un nvda or jaws ou will be able to get around the interface lightning fast. They work well.

On 9 Aug 2018, at 11:25, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

The thing about Skype 8 is that I do not like it because it took me 2 hours to use it. I like Skype 7 because I have Windows 7 OS and no offense, Windows 10 is hard to use, plus, the commands for Windows 10 is way different than Windows 7. I am glad that someone have put their foot down by telling MS that they can't DC Skype 7 because people are used to it.


On 8/9/2018 12:53 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
"Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around.".
 
Oh yeah, but this is because you are great! Not all the people are the same and not all of them use the computer for the same things. :-)
 
I used Windows 7 for years, but I still hate it and consider it less accessible than Windows XP.
Even now after so many years, it is still very bad accessible with some applications like TextPad, or MS DOS command prompt when comparing it with the same apps and screen reader under Windows XP.
 
You said that you use NVDA. This means that probably you like it. I don't. Actually I don't like the object navigation. I was sighted and I want to have an experience as close as possible with the one offered to the sighted that can have a visual perspective of the entire screen without analysing each object and sub-object one by one. Maybe with the style of NVDA Skype 8 is OK.
 
Window Eyes was a great screen reader many years ago, however for the single reason that it enforced the users to use the horrible numpad, I refused to use it. This was enough. Because I don't like to use numpad at all for other things just typing digits. For other people this might not be important at all.
 
However, Windows 7 has some stability improvements, so there aren't just disadvantages.
But in Skype 8 I haven't heard about any advantage yet.
 
This is why I said that Skype 8 is worse for me. It may be as good as Skype 7 for you or others, or maybe even better, but this doesn't make it better for me.
 
Our different opinions don't mean contradiction, but are based on our different needs and preferences.
 
For me "learning" means a different thing than for you for sure.
For me, learning means muscle learning, so I don't even need to think how to use it.
If you ask me how I start chatting with somebody on Skype, I'll need to stay a little and think all the steps one by one, and I may not be able to tell you all the steps without doing it. But when I really want to start chatting with somebody, I know that I need to press Insert+F11 to open the list of apps in System tray, and from that point on is just muscle memory, and I don't remember all the steps, but I do it very fast, without needing to hear too much from the screen reader. It is like the muscle memory needed to type a text very fast, without thinking to every letter that you need to type.
And well, unfortunately I'm not so good and I can't change my way of working and re-learning all the hotkey combinations to do what I want as fast as before just in 5 minutes.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around. I use it every day on my youtube streams. If you don’t believe me go to my youtube page. I can get around it farily quickly with nvda.

On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

"just takes geting used to".
 
Yes, but this, and the fact that it doesn't have some features that Skype 7 has, makes it worse than Skype 7. :)
Getting used to something means effort and time consumed, and Skype 7 doesn't require this.
It is good to consume time to learn something new that helps, but for the moment I've seen only missing features in Skype 8, not new helpful things that we can do with it.
It would be great for example if it will have an API that can be used for sending chat messages from programs.
 
I see you compare Skype 8 with the version for Mac, but most Skype users use it under Windows and they will probably never intend to use Mac, so for them is not helpful at all if Skype 8 is similar with the one for Mac, or if the Mac style of using the computer is more friendly with Skype 8, or anything Mac related.
 
The truth is that Skype 8 is much worse accessible than Skype 7 when it is used under Windows with JAWS, and I guess that this is the most used combination.
 
I don't know how easy is to use it with Windows 10 yet, but from what I read from other blind Windows 10 users, Windows 10 is not stable yet, and some updates can damage some things until the next update, so this is also not very useful.
 
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

Not true. I use it every day for my streams and my jobs. It is 100 percent accessible and usable and just takes geting used to, so give it a chance.

On 6 Aug 2018, at 20:34, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

new version of Skype really sucks, and is hard to use with screenreaders regardless if you have any type of impairment


On 8/6/2018 10:09 PM, Kimmie wrote:

Yeah I definitely put my feedback in there and told them to get their act together.

 

From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jerry Pryde
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 8:33 a.m.
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

This is really good news.

It sounds like they’ve gotten some seriously negative feedback on the new version.

I’ve even heard from people with sight that don’t like it.

Long Live Skype Classic.

 

 

 

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 2:00 PM

Subject: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com

 

 

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Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Michelle, I really tried that., And it would take me right back to the Chatfield. My next thing is to just try to use Skype for web

On Aug 10, 2018, at 1:07 AM, Michele Barbi <barbi.michele@...> wrote:

Ok guys, I think you need to press enter before making a call in order to open the chat. I noticed that without doing it, starting a call does not work.
Bye!
Barbuz


Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Michele Barbi
 

Quite strange, unless there is a bug with Skype 8.27 for Mac which I did not test myself but I’ll do soon.
Other thing you can do is, disregard the edit box and try pressing cmd+shift+r anyway.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, no bug. I hit enter on my student’s chat, hit command shift r and the thing went to make a call and it worked. We had our class. Command shift h did the same thing, but hung up the call. Really rocking this new skype.

You might want to try resetting skype all-together with clean my mac or some other software like that. Then try again. Tre might be a file that’s gone bad. On 11 Aug 2018, at 7:14, Michele Barbi wrote:

Quite strange, unless there is a bug with Skype 8.27 for Mac which I did not test myself but I’ll do soon. Other thing you can do is, disregard the edit box and try pressing cmd+shift+r anyway. Bye! Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

adrian
 

I love the new skype I find it easy to use on the Mac.

On Aug 11, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

No, no bug. I hit enter on my student’s chat, hit command shift r and the thing went to make a call and it worked. We had our class. Command shift h did the same thing, but hung up the call. Really rocking this new skype.


You might want to try resetting skype all-together with clean my mac or some other software like that. Then try again. Tre might be a file that’s gone bad.
On 11 Aug 2018, at 7:14, Michele Barbi wrote:

Quite strange, unless there is a bug with Skype 8.27 for Mac which I did not test myself but I’ll do soon.
Other thing you can do is, disregard the edit box and try pressing cmd+shift+r anyway.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Sarah k Alawami
 

So you also don’t have the problem the person is having in placing calls? Yeah works here for me. Either somethingn is wrong with ther skype or their keyboard is braking or something. I hope they can get it fixed.

On 11 Aug 2018, at 9:11, adrian via Groups.Io wrote:

I love the new skype I find it easy to use on the Mac.

On Aug 11, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Sarah k Alawami marrie12@... wrote:

No, no bug. I hit enter on my student’s chat, hit command shift r and the thing went to make a call and it worked. We had our class. Command shift h did the same thing, but hung up the call. Really rocking this new skype.

You might want to try resetting skype all-together with clean my mac or some other software like that. Then try again. Tre might be a file that’s gone bad. On 11 Aug 2018, at 7:14, Michele Barbi wrote:

Quite strange, unless there is a bug with Skype 8.27 for Mac which I did not test myself but I’ll do soon. Other thing you can do is, disregard the edit box and try pressing cmd+shift+r anyway. Bye! Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

I had my keyboard replaced on my Mac ones already. So I'm sure now my keyboard. It's something within Skype I know that for sure. But can't pinpoint myself to the current settings.
Joseph Hudson

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On Aug 11, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

So you also don’t have the problem the person is having in placing calls? Yeah works here for me. Either somethingn is wrong with ther skype or their keyboard is braking or something. I hope they can get it fixed.

On 11 Aug 2018, at 9:11, adrian via Groups.Io wrote:

I love the new skype I find it easy to use on the Mac.

On Aug 11, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

No, no bug. I hit enter on my student’s chat, hit command shift r and the thing went to make a call and it worked. We had our class. Command shift h did the same thing, but hung up the call. Really rocking this new skype.


You might want to try resetting skype all-together with clean my mac or some other software like that. Then try again. Tre might be a file that’s gone bad.
On 11 Aug 2018, at 7:14, Michele Barbi wrote:

Quite strange, unless there is a bug with Skype 8.27 for Mac which I did not test myself but I’ll do soon.
Other thing you can do is, disregard the edit box and try pressing cmd+shift+r anyway.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Michelle, do I do this from the chat window? In the edit box

On Aug 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Michele Barbi <barbi.michele@...> wrote:

Quite strange, unless there is a bug with Skype 8.27 for Mac which I did not test myself but I’ll do soon.
Other thing you can do is, disregard the edit box and try pressing cmd+shift+r anyway.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Adrian, yeah you're correct the Skype is easy to work. But for one thing, when a call comes in and I don't answer does it's thing as I have it set to do. There's no audio for the call. I've looked everywhere and obvious settings, and, for Skype and proceed to the call button. It takes me right back into the chat window. Secondly, if I do the command shift or it does absolutely nothing. So what do I need to do?
Joseph Hudson

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FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789@...
And now finally, if none of the above options work well for you. I have a room on zoom as well. The link and instructions to join won't be below

Hi there,

Joseph Hudson is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: Joseph Hudson's Zoom Meeting
Time: Apr 10, 2018 10:30 PM Central Time (US and Canada)

Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/502788655

Or iPhone one-tap :
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Or Telephone:
Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location):
US: +1 669 900 6833 or +1 646 876 9923
Meeting ID: 502 788 655
International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/dkZ76Qvjp

On Aug 11, 2018, at 11:11 AM, adrian via Groups.Io <adrianleong=rocketmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I love the new skype I find it easy to use on the Mac.

On Aug 11, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

No, no bug. I hit enter on my student’s chat, hit command shift r and the thing went to make a call and it worked. We had our class. Command shift h did the same thing, but hung up the call. Really rocking this new skype.


You might want to try resetting skype all-together with clean my mac or some other software like that. Then try again. Tre might be a file that’s gone bad.
On 11 Aug 2018, at 7:14, Michele Barbi wrote:

Quite strange, unless there is a bug with Skype 8.27 for Mac which I did not test myself but I’ll do soon.
Other thing you can do is, disregard the edit box and try pressing cmd+shift+r anyway.
Bye!
Barbuz


Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Michele Barbi
 

Ok Sarah I see…
I am using 8.25 on my Mac, and btw I am not able to update for no obvious reason.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Michele Barbi
 

I think you can make the hotkeys inside the chat window, no matter if you are on th edit box or somewhere else.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Sarah k Alawami
 

I didn’t change anything when I installed skype 8. So yeah dunno what’s up there. It’s odd for sure that it works for all of us so far.

Take care

On 11 Aug 2018, at 11:03, Joseph Hudson wrote:

I had my keyboard replaced on my Mac ones already. So I'm sure now my keyboard. It's something within Skype I know that for sure. But can't pinpoint myself to the current settings. Joseph Hudson

Email jhud7789@... I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789@... And now finally, if none of the above options work well for you. I have a room on zoom as well. The link and instructions to join won't be below

Hi there,

Joseph Hudson is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: Joseph Hudson's Zoom Meeting Time: Apr 10, 2018 10:30 PM Central Time (US and Canada)

Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/502788655

Or iPhone one-tap : US: +16699006833,,502788655# or +16468769923,,502788655# Or Telephone: Dial(for higher quality, dial a number based on your current location): US: +1 669 900 6833 or +1 646 876 9923 Meeting ID: 502 788 655 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/dkZ76Qvjp

On Aug 11, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Sarah k Alawami marrie12@... wrote:

So you also don’t have the problem the person is having in placing calls? Yeah works here for me. Either somethingn is wrong with ther skype or their keyboard is braking or something. I hope they can get it fixed.

On 11 Aug 2018, at 9:11, adrian via Groups.Io wrote:

I love the new skype I find it easy to use on the Mac.

On Aug 11, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Sarah k Alawami marrie12@... wrote:

No, no bug. I hit enter on my student’s chat, hit command shift r and the thing went to make a call and it worked. We had our class. Command shift h did the same thing, but hung up the call. Really rocking this new skype.

You might want to try resetting skype all-together with clean my mac or some other software like that. Then try again. Tre might be a file that’s gone bad. On 11 Aug 2018, at 7:14, Michele Barbi wrote:

Quite strange, unless there is a bug with Skype 8.27 for Mac which I did not test myself but I’ll do soon. Other thing you can do is, disregard the edit box and try pressing cmd+shift+r anyway. Bye! Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Sarah k Alawami
 

So here’s what you can try.

  • open the chat with enter
  • I go o the edit box to make sure I’m in the right chat.
  • hit command shift r and the call should be placed.

hope that helps a bit.

On 11 Aug 2018, at 11:10, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Michelle, do I do this from the chat window? In the edit box

On Aug 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Michele Barbi barbi.michele@... wrote:

Quite strange, unless there is a bug with Skype 8.27 for Mac which I did not test myself but I’ll do soon.
Other thing you can do is, disregard the edit box and try pressing cmd+shift+r anyway.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Michele Barbi
 

Ok, the update is that yesterday I finally managed to update Skype from 8.25 to 8.27. I hope I manage to make some calls soon so that I can test if it still works as I found out lately. I’ll let you up to date.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Issue with making a call on the latest version of Skype using Mac OS high Sierra

Sarah k Alawami
 

Try echo123. Can you test with that and see i fyou can hit command shift r?

On 12 Aug 2018, at 8:16, Michele Barbi wrote:

Ok, the update is that yesterday I finally managed to update Skype from 8.25 to 8.27. I hope I manage to make some calls soon so that I can test if it still works as I found out lately. I’ll let you up to date. Bye! Barbuz

Deleting contacts

Lino Morales
 

How do you delete contacts assuming there is a way in Skype 8.2.5? Only thing in the context menu I see is add to favorites. I want to delete some people who don’t use Skype anymore. Thanks.

 

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Re: Deleting contacts

Shaun Oliver
 

you need to go in to their profiles and delete them in there.



On 13/08/2018 10:42, Lino Morales wrote:

How do you delete contacts assuming there is a way in Skype 8.2.5? Only thing in the context menu I see is add to favorites. I want to delete some people who don’t use Skype anymore. Thanks.

 

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