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Re: JAWS scripts for Skype updated to address the ChromeLegacyWindow issue

Jerry Pryde
 

Downloaded and running.

Thanks billions, Doug.

On 2020-08-12 4:38 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
I said I wouldn't, then I did...

Skype script revision 178 is posted at http://www.dlee.org/skype/

This update includes the same sort of automatic fix that I put in the scripts for Microsoft Teams a few months ago. When Skype decides to act evasive and throw the ChromeLegacyWindow announcement at you, the scripts should
catch it, interrupt it, announce "Fixing window structure," and promptly fix the window to work normally. This should hold until Microsoft fixes Skype itself, as I expect they will just as they did for Teams.

There are other minor updates in this revision, detailed as usual in the Revision History section of the above page.

Re: JAWS scripts for Skype updated to address the ChromeLegacyWindow issue

Léonie Watson
 

Thanks Doug. This works beautifully on the chrome window problem.

On 12/08/2020 21:38, Doug Lee wrote:
I said I wouldn't, then I did...
Skype script revision 178 is posted at http://www.dlee.org/skype/
This update includes the same sort of automatic fix that I put in the scripts for Microsoft Teams a few months ago. When Skype decides to act evasive and throw the ChromeLegacyWindow announcement at you, the scripts should
catch it, interrupt it, announce "Fixing window structure," and promptly fix the window to work normally. This should hold until Microsoft fixes Skype itself, as I expect they will just as they did for Teams.
There are other minor updates in this revision, detailed as usual in the Revision History section of the above page.
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JAWS scripts for Skype updated to address the ChromeLegacyWindow issue

Doug Lee
 

I said I wouldn't, then I did...

Skype script revision 178 is posted at http://www.dlee.org/skype/

This update includes the same sort of automatic fix that I put in the scripts for Microsoft Teams a few months ago. When Skype decides to act evasive and throw the ChromeLegacyWindow announcement at you, the scripts should
catch it, interrupt it, announce "Fixing window structure," and promptly fix the window to work normally. This should hold until Microsoft fixes Skype itself, as I expect they will just as they did for Teams.

There are other minor updates in this revision, detailed as usual in the Revision History section of the above page.

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Re: I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

Doug Lee
 

Ah, "rumor" is what I called it because I only heard one report and not from a Skype author; no disrespect meant.

In any case, see my next announcement; there is now a solution in place for JAWS users...

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 07:26:29AM +0500, inam din wrote:
Respected Doug, its not rumor it is hard fact.

I myself have installed and tested Skype 8.64 and I found the same
issue!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1



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From: [2]Doug Lee
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:55 AM
To: [3]main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows
(Charm)


Frequently discussed in various places nowadays, and it's a change in
Skype 8.63 and is not due to Windows 10 2004. The workarounds are to
tap Alt twice, tap Alt and then Esc, or use Windows+DownArrow followed
by

Windows+UpArrow whenever this happens. Microsoft Teams suffered a
similar misfortune within the last few months. That one was fixed
within Teams itself, and I expect the same will happen to Skype;
however, rumor has it that

this issue is not fixed in the beta of Skype 8.64. Because of this, I
recently urged participants of this group to send feedback to Microsoft
about it, via the "Report a Problem" option within the Skype app's Help
menu.


On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 06:45:15PM -0400, Geno Stone wrote:

So, did the 2004 windows ten up-date.. No issues using the latest of

Jaws release with Skype and the Scripts.. Then  3 or 4  days ago a

Accumulative 2004 up date and did and no issues, Except and not sure

the latest Skype release which I did too, or the Accumulative 2004..

Yet opening skype and if a restart fine for a bit and left open this

covering over top of the Skype screen, Chrome Legacy Windows.. Canât
do

a darn thing.. My son sighted says he sees nothing and Jaws does..

doing research on Google Chrome.. they noted and yet we donât see
how

to remove this so I can get back to using Skype.. Anyone had this

issue?


Geno in Portland, Maine..




References


1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4571

2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: [skypeenglish] I
have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

3. mailto:geno9802@...?subject=Private: Re: [skypeenglish] I
have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

4. https://groups.io/mt/76117507/409874

5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post

6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/

7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874

8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io

9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged


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Re: I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

inamuddin khan
 

Respected Doug, its not rumor it is hard fact.

I myself have installed and tested Skype 8.64 and I found the same issue!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

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From: Doug Lee
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:55 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

 

Frequently discussed in various places nowadays, and it's a change in Skype 8.63 and is not due to Windows 10 2004. The workarounds are to tap Alt twice, tap Alt and then Esc, or use Windows+DownArrow followed by

Windows+UpArrow whenever this happens. Microsoft Teams suffered a similar misfortune within the last few months. That one was fixed within Teams itself, and I expect the same will happen to Skype; however, rumor has it that

this issue is not fixed in the beta of Skype 8.64. Because of this, I recently urged participants of this group to send feedback to Microsoft about it, via the "Report a Problem" option within the Skype app's Help menu.

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 06:45:15PM -0400, Geno Stone wrote:

   So, did the 2004 windows ten up-date.. No issues using the latest of

   Jaws release with Skype and the Scripts.. Then  3 or 4  days ago a

   Accumulative 2004 up date and did and no issues, Except and not sure

   the latest Skype release which I did too, or the Accumulative 2004..

   Yet opening skype and if a restart fine for a bit and left open this

   covering over top of the Skype screen, Chrome Legacy Windows.. Canât do

   a darn thing.. My son sighted says he sees nothing and Jaws does..

   doing research on Google Chrome.. they noted and yet we donât see how

   to remove this so I can get back to using Skype.. Anyone had this

   issue?

 

   Geno in Portland, Maine..

 

  

 

References

 

   1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4571

   2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: [skypeenglish] I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

   3. mailto:geno9802@...?subject=Private: Re: [skypeenglish] I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

   4. https://groups.io/mt/76117507/409874

   5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post

   6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/

   7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874

   8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io

   9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

 

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Re: I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

Doug Lee
 

Frequently discussed in various places nowadays, and it's a change in Skype 8.63 and is not due to Windows 10 2004. The workarounds are to tap Alt twice, tap Alt and then Esc, or use Windows+DownArrow followed by
Windows+UpArrow whenever this happens. Microsoft Teams suffered a similar misfortune within the last few months. That one was fixed within Teams itself, and I expect the same will happen to Skype; however, rumor has it that
this issue is not fixed in the beta of Skype 8.64. Because of this, I recently urged participants of this group to send feedback to Microsoft about it, via the "Report a Problem" option within the Skype app's Help menu.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 06:45:15PM -0400, Geno Stone wrote:
So, did the 2004 windows ten up-date.. No issues using the latest of
Jaws release with Skype and the Scripts.. Then  3 or 4  days ago a
Accumulative 2004 up date and did and no issues, Except and not sure
the latest Skype release which I did too, or the Accumulative 2004..
Yet opening skype and if a restart fine for a bit and left open this
covering over top of the Skype screen, Chrome Legacy Windows.. Canât do
a darn thing.. My son sighted says he sees nothing and Jaws does..
doing research on Google Chrome.. they noted and yet we donât see how
to remove this so I can get back to using Skype.. Anyone had this
issue?

Geno in Portland, Maine..



References

1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4571
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: [skypeenglish] I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)
3. mailto:geno9802@...?subject=Private: Re: [skypeenglish] I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)
4. https://groups.io/mt/76117507/409874
5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

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Re: I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hello. I suggest you search the group's topics page, click the search button and type something like what you are looking for.

hope that helps a bit. This was discussed recently, not a few days ago.

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On 10 Aug 2020, at 15:45, Geno Stone wrote:

So, did the 2004 windows ten up-date.. No issues using the latest of Jaws release with Skype and the Scripts.. Then  3 or 4  days ago a Accumulative 2004 up date and did and no issues, Except and not sure the latest Skype release which I did too, or the Accumulative 2004.. Yet opening skype and if a restart fine for a bit and left open this covering over top of the Skype screen, Chrome Legacy Windows.. Can’t do a darn thing.. My son sighted says he sees nothing and Jaws does.. doing research on Google Chrome.. they noted and yet we don’t see how to remove this so I can get back to using Skype.. Anyone had this issue?

Geno in Portland, Maine..

I have a question, Chrome Legacy Windows (Charm)

Geno Stone
 

So, did the 2004 windows ten up-date.. No issues using the latest of Jaws release with Skype and the Scripts.. Then  3 or 4  days ago a Accumulative 2004 up date and did and no issues, Except and not sure the latest Skype release which I did too, or the Accumulative 2004.. Yet opening skype and if a restart fine for a bit and left open this covering over top of the Skype screen, Chrome Legacy Windows.. Can’t do a darn thing.. My son sighted says he sees nothing and Jaws does.. doing research on Google Chrome.. they noted and yet we don’t see how to remove this so I can get back to using Skype.. Anyone had this issue?

Geno in Portland, Maine..

Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

Michele Barbi
 

Hi Doug, thanks for your effort on making this report. I think I cannot do it right now because I am now on my Macbook now since I am on holiday, my connection is also not very good working right now.
Bye!
Barbuz
Inviato da Lu MacBook

Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

Doug Lee
 

On hearing this morning that Skype 8.64, apparently in beta, also exhibits this issue, I filed the following comment for Microsoft via the "Report a Problem" item in the Skype Help menu; and I invite others to remark
similarly from their own Skype instances, so that Microsoft hears a chorus of voices and not just one:

Skype 8.63 and apparently the beta 8.64: After a call and after the Skype window is minimized, focusing it while running a screen reader such as JAWS does not work well. We hear "Chrome Legacy Window" and cannot navigate or
read. Tapping Alt twice, or Alt then Esc, or Windows+Down then Windows+Up revives the Skype window for use. See also a similar problem that appeared and was fixed in Teams 1.3 within the last few months. This is a serious
disruption for blind Skype users.

On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 09:22:39AM +0100, Stephen Troy wrote:
hi all

apologies if this has been discussed but I don't see it.

not only do I get the chrome legacy repeat message, even though i'm
running IE,skype commands do not work at all until I press the alt
key. all is well then for a while but if I don't use skype for several
minutes I have to press the alt key again.


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Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

Sarah k Alawami
 

Has anyone reported this to skype and the screen reader makers if at all possible. Where is the problem exactly, or is this the case of both?

On 6 Aug 2020, at 17:06, inamuddin khan wrote:

In fact there are 3 solutions of this problem.

Alt functionality, Windows up/down errow  and restarting your screen reader whatever screen reader you are using!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1.

 

                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michele Barbi
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 1:00 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

 

Hi guys, I just tested the alt functionality that Stephen suggested in

order to fix the problems with Skype. Basically it works just fine,

beware though that you'll open the menu bar, so you should press it once

again or esc to close it and go back to the Skype main window.

 

Bye!

 

Barbuz

 

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Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

inamuddin khan
 

In fact there are 3 solutions of this problem.

Alt functionality, Windows up/down errow  and restarting your screen reader whatever screen reader you are using!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1.

 

                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michele Barbi
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 1:00 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

 

Hi guys, I just tested the alt functionality that Stephen suggested in

order to fix the problems with Skype. Basically it works just fine,

beware though that you'll open the menu bar, so you should press it once

again or esc to close it and go back to the Skype main window.

 

Bye!

 

Barbuz

 

--

Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10

 

 

 

 

Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

Michele Barbi
 

Hi guys, I just tested the alt functionality that Stephen suggested in order to fix the problems with Skype. Basically it works just fine, beware though that you'll open the menu bar, so you should press it once again or esc to close it and go back to the Skype main window.

Bye!

Barbuz

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Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10

Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

Michele Barbi
 

Hi Stephen, thanks for the tip. I'll also test the alt key, I already tested win+arrows and they work ok.

Bye!

Barbuz

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Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

Stephen Troy
 

hi all

apologies if this has been discussed but I don't see it.

not only do I get the chrome legacy repeat message, even though i'm
running IE,skype commands do not work at all until I press the alt
key. all is well then for a while but if I don't use skype for several
minutes I have to press the alt key again.

fiddly but not really a big deal.

steve

On 05/08/2020, Michele Barbi <barbi.michele@...> wrote:
Hi Doug and all, first of all thanks for the commands which I did not
know. I also saw a thread about chrome legacy window, I have reason to
believe that they're somehow related.

Concerning the minimize and maximize Skype, this is probably because I
have set the Skype icon on desktop like other ones to be shown maximized
by default.

Bye!

Barbuz

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Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10




Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

Michele Barbi
 

Hi Doug and all, first of all thanks for the commands which I did not know. I also saw a thread about chrome legacy window, I have reason to believe that they're somehow related.

Concerning the minimize and maximize Skype, this is probably because I have set the Skype icon on desktop like other ones to be shown maximized by default.

Bye!

Barbuz

--
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10

Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

Doug Lee
 

This looks very much like a problem I've seen in Teams that was fixed there by now in Teams itself. The basic situation is this: The Skype accessibility information starts showing up in a different window than the one that
gets focus, so JAWS and probably all other screen readers fail to figure out correctly what's going on.

Interestingly enough, the solution is often as simple as maximizing the window, such as with Windows+UpArrow. Sometimes in Teams, it was necessary to minimize first and then maximize; but I'm not seeing that here in Skype
so far. I believe you are finding the min-then-max approach more effective though, based on our Skype chat.

On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 07:07:47PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hi Mike, effectively yes I noticed it too, I fixed it by restarting Skype as
well. Basically, after a call hangs up JAWS is not intercepting anything, and
when pressing insert+t apart from Skype it says something like, get xml
returned nothing. Scripts are installed, I use revision 174.

Bye!

Barbuz

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Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10




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Re: Chrome Legacy

Jerry Pryde
 

I let them know too.

Thanks again.

On 2020-08-05 1:15 p.m., Léonie Watson wrote:
It's definitely a persistent bug in the programme, rather than a glitch I think, though reinstallation often helps. I've also discovered that hitting alt f to open the File menu, then closing it again, does the trick too. It's very irritating though. I've mentioned it to the MS team.

On 05/08/2020 15:05, Jerry Pryde wrote:
I'm still getting it after a fresh download.
So, any ideas would be welcome.


Jerry.

On 2020-08-05 8:28 a.m., Léonie Watson wrote:
No, but I'm getting it too. I've found that randomly using Jaws to simulate a mouse click in the Skype UI sometimes clears it though, in case that's helpful.

Léonie.

On 05/08/2020 01:51, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know why "Chrome Legacy" pops up on Skype 8.6?

The only solution seems to be signing out and back in.

Thanks


Jerry.




Re: Chrome Legacy

Léonie Watson
 

It's definitely a persistent bug in the programme, rather than a glitch I think, though reinstallation often helps. I've also discovered that hitting alt f to open the File menu, then closing it again, does the trick too. It's very irritating though. I've mentioned it to the MS team.

On 05/08/2020 15:05, Jerry Pryde wrote:
I'm still getting it after a fresh download.
So, any ideas would be welcome.
Jerry.
On 2020-08-05 8:28 a.m., Léonie Watson wrote:
No, but I'm getting it too. I've found that randomly using Jaws to simulate a mouse click in the Skype UI sometimes clears it though, in case that's helpful.

Léonie.

On 05/08/2020 01:51, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know why "Chrome Legacy" pops up on Skype 8.6?

The only solution seems to be signing out and back in.

Thanks


Jerry.



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Re: problem with jaws 2020 and skype 8.63

Michele Barbi
 

Hi Mike, effectively yes I noticed it too, I fixed it by restarting Skype as well. Basically, after a call hangs up JAWS is not intercepting anything, and when pressing insert+t apart from Skype it says something like, get xml returned nothing. Scripts are installed, I use revision 174.

Bye!

Barbuz

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Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10