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Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Sarah k Alawami
 

all you need to do at least with nvda, is hit k, until you get to more info, hot space, hit b for run anyway and it works. No big, scary at first, but really not much of an issue is you know where the installer came from. You can have it sighted but it costs a lot of money, and if you are a small dev, it will not be worth it.

On 2 Jul 2020, at 7:05, Brian Olesen wrote:

Hi,
Sadly I didn't write it down. 'Cause it doesn't reappear when I run it
again. But it's the standard error you get with many apps that is caught by
the defender, when an app is not run many times. But it's no direct virus
warning. Just a this thing may put your computer at risk...

Brian

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Doug Lee
Sendt: 1. juli 2020 23:52
Til: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Emne: Re: [skypeenglish] trouble during instalation "revision 174"

What exact message do you get? I can't tell from that description if it's
like, "This program is not signed and may harm your computer," or just,
"This program may harm your computer," or something else.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:31:19PM +0200, Brian Olesen wrote:
Hi Doug,
It still says the not secure thing about windows defender with windows 10,
when you do a new install.

Best regards
Brian

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Doug Lee
Sendt: 1. juli 2020 22:14
Til: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Emne: Re: [skypeenglish] trouble during instalation "revision 174"

I think I found the problem: SLMan was not updated to use the new Skype
script basename, because I forgot that it used one at all. Try installing
SLMan from https://www.dlee.org/updates/jfw_slman.exe , then restart JAWS
and tell me if that works.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:24:19PM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
If I get any further ideas, I'll let you know; but for now I don't have any.
I have heard of this happening to exactly one other person with a set of
scripts, though I don't remember which set. I've also had this problem
on one NVDA project, where NVDA refused to load the add-on for an
application. It's a rather frustrating problem of course, because until the
screen reader loads my code, I sort of don't have much I can do.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 10:59:29PM +0700, Alkor wrote:
Yes. My jaws is set to Russian and the file "config names.ini I checked in
the
folder: \ Settings \ rus




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(08/29/02)







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Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"There are no guarantees. From a standpoint of fear, none are
strong enough. From a standpoint of love, none are necessary."
- from Emmanuel's Book II





Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Brian Olesen
 

Hi,
Sadly I didn't write it down. 'Cause it doesn't reappear when I run it
again. But it's the standard error you get with many apps that is caught by
the defender, when an app is not run many times. But it's no direct virus
warning. Just a this thing may put your computer at risc...

Brian

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Fra: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> På vegne af
Doug Lee
Sendt: 1. juli 2020 23:52
Til: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Emne: Re: [skypeenglish] trouble during instalation "revision 174"

What exact message do you get? I can't tell from that description if it's
like, "This program is not signed and may harm your computer," or just,
"This program may harm your computer," or something else.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:31:19PM +0200, Brian Olesen wrote:
Hi Doug,
It still says the not secure thing about windows defender with windows 10,
when you do a new install.

Best regards
Brian

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> P? vegne af
Doug Lee
Sendt: 1. juli 2020 22:14
Til: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Emne: Re: [skypeenglish] trouble during instalation "revision 174"

I think I found the problem: SLMan was not updated to use the new Skype
script basename, because I forgot that it used one at all. Try installing
SLMan from https://www.dlee.org/updates/jfw_slman.exe , then restart JAWS
and tell me if that works.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:24:19PM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
If I get any further ideas, I'll let you know; but for now I don't have any.
I have heard of this happening to exactly one other person with a set of
scripts, though I don't remember which set. I've also had this problem
on one NVDA project, where NVDA refused to load the add-on for an
application. It's a rather frustrating problem of course, because until the
screen reader loads my code, I sort of don't have much I can do.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 10:59:29PM +0700, Alkor wrote:
Yes. My jaws is set to Russian and the file "config names.ini I checked in
the
folder: \ Settings \ rus




--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"A mailing list is a crude but effective cross between a
chain letter and a shouting match." -Andrew Kantor

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
No one alive is beyond hope; every second of life is a chance.
(08/29/02)







--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"There are no guarantees. From a standpoint of fear, none are
strong enough. From a standpoint of love, none are necessary."
- from Emmanuel's Book II

Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Alkor
 

Yes, after installing this slman, jaws recognized the scripts.
Thank you

Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Doug Lee
 

What exact message do you get? I can't tell from that description if it's like, "This program is not signed and may harm your computer," or just, "This program may harm your computer," or something else.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:31:19PM +0200, Brian Olesen wrote:
Hi Doug,
It still says the not secure thing about windows defender with windows 10,
when you do a new install.

Best regards
Brian

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Fra: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> P? vegne af
Doug Lee
Sendt: 1. juli 2020 22:14
Til: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Emne: Re: [skypeenglish] trouble during instalation "revision 174"

I think I found the problem: SLMan was not updated to use the new Skype
script basename, because I forgot that it used one at all. Try installing
SLMan from https://www.dlee.org/updates/jfw_slman.exe , then restart JAWS
and tell me if that works.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:24:19PM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
If I get any further ideas, I'll let you know; but for now I don't have any.
I have heard of this happening to exactly one other person with a set of
scripts, though I don't remember which set. I've also had this problem
on one NVDA project, where NVDA refused to load the add-on for an
application. It's a rather frustrating problem of course, because until the
screen reader loads my code, I sort of don't have much I can do.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 10:59:29PM +0700, Alkor wrote:
Yes. My jaws is set to Russian and the file "config names.ini I checked in
the
folder: \ Settings \ rus




--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"A mailing list is a crude but effective cross between a
chain letter and a shouting match." -Andrew Kantor

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
No one alive is beyond hope; every second of life is a chance.
(08/29/02)







--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"There are no guarantees. From a standpoint of fear, none are
strong enough. From a standpoint of love, none are necessary."
- from Emmanuel's Book II

Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Brian Olesen
 

Hi Doug,
It still says the not secure thing about windows defender with windows 10,
when you do a new install.

Best regards
Brian

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Fra: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> På vegne af
Doug Lee
Sendt: 1. juli 2020 22:14
Til: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Emne: Re: [skypeenglish] trouble during instalation "revision 174"

I think I found the problem: SLMan was not updated to use the new Skype
script basename, because I forgot that it used one at all. Try installing
SLMan from https://www.dlee.org/updates/jfw_slman.exe , then restart JAWS
and tell me if that works.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:24:19PM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
If I get any further ideas, I'll let you know; but for now I don't have any.
I have heard of this happening to exactly one other person with a set of
scripts, though I don't remember which set. I've also had this problem
on one NVDA project, where NVDA refused to load the add-on for an
application. It's a rather frustrating problem of course, because until the
screen reader loads my code, I sort of don't have much I can do.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 10:59:29PM +0700, Alkor wrote:
Yes. My jaws is set to Russian and the file "config names.ini I checked in
the
folder: \ Settings \ rus




--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"A mailing list is a crude but effective cross between a
chain letter and a shouting match." -Andrew Kantor

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
No one alive is beyond hope; every second of life is a chance.
(08/29/02)

Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Doug Lee
 

I think I found the problem: SLMan was not updated to use the new Skype script basename, because I forgot that it used one at all. Try installing SLMan from https://www.dlee.org/updates/jfw_slman.exe , then restart JAWS
and tell me if that works.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:24:19PM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
If I get any further ideas, I'll let you know; but for now I don't have any. I have heard of this happening to exactly one other person with a set of scripts, though I don't remember which set. I've also had this problem
on one NVDA project, where NVDA refused to load the add-on for an application. It's a rather frustrating problem of course, because until the screen reader loads my code, I sort of don't have much I can do.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 10:59:29PM +0700, Alkor wrote:
Yes. My jaws is set to Russian and the file "config names.ini I checked in the
folder: \ Settings \ rus




--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"A mailing list is a crude but effective cross between a
chain letter and a shouting match." -Andrew Kantor

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
No one alive is beyond hope; every second of life is a chance.
(08/29/02)

Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Doug Lee
 

If I get any further ideas, I'll let you know; but for now I don't have any. I have heard of this happening to exactly one other person with a set of scripts, though I don't remember which set. I've also had this problem
on one NVDA project, where NVDA refused to load the add-on for an application. It's a rather frustrating problem of course, because until the screen reader loads my code, I sort of don't have much I can do.

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 10:59:29PM +0700, Alkor wrote:
Yes. My jaws is set to Russian and the file "config names.ini I checked in the
folder: \ Settings \ rus




--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"A mailing list is a crude but effective cross between a
chain letter and a shouting match." -Andrew Kantor

Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Alkor
 

Yes. My jaws is set to Russian and the file "config names.ini I checked in the folder: \ Settings \ rus

Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Doug Lee
 

Is your JAWS set to use the same language for which you checked the ConfigNames file?

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 10:07:40PM +0700, Алик Гаджимурадов wrote:
I compared the files, and everything seems to be as it should. but the scripts
still doesn't work.
After installing the scripts and Slman, my config names.ini file looks like
this:
[ConfigNames]
Skype:8=skype
Microsoft.SkypeApp!App=skype
[Domains]
Index=slman
Index.html=slman
about:blank=slman
about=slman

best regards,
Alkor





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Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them
to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum

Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Alkor
 

I compared the files, and everything seems to be as it should. but the scripts still doesn't work.
After installing the scripts and Slman, my config names.ini file looks like this:
[ConfigNames]
Skype:8=skype
Microsoft.SkypeApp!App=skype
[Domains]
Index=slman
Index.html=slman
about:blank=slman
about=slman

best regards,
Alkor

Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Doug Lee
 

Compare your ConfigNames.ini section against the skype_directives.txt file that now comes with the scripts, to make sure the entries in the directives file are also in the appropriate section of your ConfigNames.ini file.
If you make any ConfigNames changes, restart JAWS to test them.

If that doesn't work, do the same with the slman_directives.txt file. That file is not in the released SLMan though, so I'll include it below. For Skype, the most important entry from that one should be Index.html=slman;
but check all four entries.

If even that doesn't work, though admittedly I doubt this will help, try the updated but not yet released SLMan installer at https://www.dlee.org/updates/jfw_slman.exe

Here is the SLMan directives file:

# Script Load Manager - directives file.
# Consult http://www.dlee.org/code_common.htm#inst_directives for information on how to apply this file during a manual script installation.
.jawsminver 17.0
.ini ConfigNames.ini
[Domains]
Index=slman
Index.html=slman
about:blank=slman
about=slman

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 04:38:55PM +0700, Алик Гаджимурадов wrote:
Hello all.
I cannot install revision 174 on jaws 2019.
When after installing the scripts and rebooting jaws, I press Ins + Q
in the Skype window, jaws announces google Chrome.
Previously, the "Scripts load manager" fixed the problem, but now it
hasnât helped.
Previous versions of scripts I installed manually. Now I have deleted
all Skype script-related files from the Jaws user settings folder and
launched the installer, but after installation, jaws does not recognize
the scripts.
Installing Slman through its installer also did not change the
situation.
Please tell me, what else I can try.
Best regards,
Alkor



References

1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4533
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: [skypeenglish] trouble during instalation "revision 174"
3. mailto:alkor2907@...?subject=Private: Re: [skypeenglish] trouble during instalation "revision 174"
4. https://groups.io/mt/75231563/409874
5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

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Hello all. It's that time again, where a reminder is sent out  once a month regarding the rules so here they are.
 
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Re: trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Michele Barbi
 

Man, quite strange what you're seeing. I also thought about slman, especially if your build of JAWS 2019 is lower than the august update. Doug? Any suggestions?

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10

trouble during instalation "revision 174"

Alkor
 

Hello all.
I cannot install revision 174 on jaws 2019.
When after installing the scripts and rebooting jaws, I press Ins + Q in the Skype window, jaws announces google Chrome.
Previously, the "Scripts load manager" fixed the problem, but now it hasn’t helped.
Previous versions of scripts I installed manually. Now I have deleted all Skype script-related files from the Jaws user settings folder and launched the installer, but after installation, jaws does not recognize the scripts.
Installing Slman through its installer also did not change the situation.
Please tell me, what else I can try.
Best regards,
Alkor

Re: Scripts downloaded

Michele Barbi
 

Hi Mich,

now that I figure out you're running such old versions of JAWS, such as 18 and 2018, right?

I think you also need to install scripts load manager then, which is necessary to make Skype scripts load properly under JAWS version below than the august 2019 update for JFW 2019. Here it's the direct link for this package: http://www.dlee.org/slman/jfw_slman.exe

For the 1 number that you hear, if you don't find any chat message try to focus the notification panel, hotkey should be ctrl+i if I am not wrong.

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10

Re: Scripts downloaded

Jerry Pryde
 

Thanks billions Doug.
I enabled Windows Defender immediately after the download was completed.

On 2020-06-30 2:18 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.





Re: Scripts downloaded

Bill White
 

Hi, Doug. Often using speech with Microsoft Edge and Firefox, trying to find
the Download Anyway button and bypass the warning is almost impossible. The
only recourse we sometimes have is to disable the protective software. My
antivirus will alert me most of the time if there is a real threat, and I
don't want layers of warnings that I have to consistently defeat.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:18 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and
possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is
a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making
you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're
seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern
protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you
sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do
with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this
sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective
software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being
downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message
is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply
is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We
may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome
corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable
issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I
mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called
heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous
in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat
any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software
applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer
System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that
contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate
response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in
order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular
scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is
notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking
designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on
whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I
don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter
my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help
reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also
happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I
have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first
the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic
algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for
any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over
technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate
timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows
defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)

Re: Scripts downloaded

Mich Verrier
 

Hi again Dug I did un load and re load jaws and when I hit incert q all jaws says is google crome settings are loaded the application that is running is skype then it spells it out but I hear no number or anything. Also it says I have 1 un red message but I hve no un red messages so I am not shure if that is a bug or not. Hth. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: June 30, 2020 3:24 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

That message is in my first category; it shows up when the download is not known by sites that rate downloads by perceived safety. Simply put, it was a new script release; so it was not "commonly downloaded" yet. :-)

And you probably do need to restart JAWS to get the scripts to load. That's a JAWS bug I should report, if I haven't already; it's been around for quite a while by now.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:34:42PM -0400, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts
I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may
harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I
hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when
running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is
skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to
see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number
that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and
possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is
a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making
you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're
seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern
protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you
sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do
with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this
sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective
software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being
downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message
is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply
is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We
may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome
corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable
issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I
mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called
heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous
in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat
any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software
applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer
System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that
contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate
response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in
order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular
scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is
notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking
designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on
whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I
don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter
my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help
reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also
happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I
have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first
the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic
algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for
any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over
technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate
timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.� Turning off windows
defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)







--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

Re: Scripts downloaded

Doug Lee
 

That message is in my first category; it shows up when the download is not known by sites that rate downloads by perceived safety. Simply put, it was a new script release; so it was not "commonly downloaded" yet. :-)

And you probably do need to restart JAWS to get the scripts to load. That's a JAWS bug I should report, if I haven't already; it's been around for quite a while by now.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:34:42PM -0400, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts
I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may
harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I
hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when
running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is
skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to
see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number
that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and
possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is
a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making
you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're
seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern
protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you
sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do
with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this
sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective
software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being
downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message
is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply
is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We
may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome
corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable
issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I
mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called
heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous
in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat
any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software
applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer
System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that
contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate
response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in
order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular
scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is
notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking
designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on
whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I
don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter
my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help
reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also
happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I
have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first
the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic
algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for
any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over
technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate
timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows
defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)







--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

Re: Scripts downloaded

Michele Barbi
 

Effectively on my hand Windows defender is actually complaining, though I didn’t have issues in downloading the scripts, I think it’s because I don’t use Internet Explorer but I passed to Google Chrome. What I get though is a warning from Smart Screen as soon as I try to launch the executable. If that happens for someone else, do the following:
1. press tab till you find “further information” link, and activate it, but be careful because since some tests I run you need to use spacebar and not enter, even if it’s recognized as a link;
2. use tab again till you find “run anyway” button, and press space to activate it.
Now you authorized to run this file and you’ll get the main installer page; you will get a warning if you want to uninstall older scripts if you already have them, this is normal and harmless.
Bye!
Barbuz