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Re: Scripts downloaded

Mich Verrier
 

Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts
I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may
harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I
hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when
running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is
skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to
see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number
that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and
possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is
a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making
you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're
seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern
protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you
sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do
with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this
sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective
software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being
downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message
is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply
is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We
may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome
corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable
issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I
mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called
heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous
in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat
any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software
applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer
System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that
contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate
response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in
order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular
scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is
notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking
designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on
whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I
don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter
my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help
reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also
happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I
have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first
the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic
algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for
any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over
technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate
timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows
defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)


Re: Scripts downloaded

Doug Lee
 

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)


Scripts downloaded

Jerry Pryde
 

Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.


Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Jerry Pryde
 

Hi.

I'm having trouble downloading the scripts.

I get a message saying this software might harm my computer, and I'm trying to find the button that says run anyway.

On 2020-06-30 11:44 a.m., Doug Lee wrote:
Yes, the subject says "six issues." Read release notes at http://www.dlee.org/skype#hist and download scripts from the download link earlier in that same document.

The main issue fixed here is of course the repeating "Skype" issue when you Alt+Tab into Skype. Curiously, that issue (as I said here last night) actually resulted from my rename of the script files; but I fixed it without
changing file names again. Other issues are documented in the release notes.

Installation: If you did not install revision 173, follow the directions on that web page for installing 173 when you install revision 174.
If you did install revision 173, just run the 174 installer and let it handle the details.

Finally, an apology: As I mentioned yesterday on this list, I did notice the repetition yesterday morning while starting this update. However, repetition does not usually bother me to the extent that incorrect or missing
information does; I guess I'm sort of used to tuning it out. As a result, the issue did not register on my radar as sufficient to stop the release; and amid all the details of updating JAWS scripts, NVDA add-on code,
documentation, mailing lists, Twitter, Telegram, etc., I rather forgot about the issue until Gary mentioned it here. I have since noticed that a number of folk are severely bothered by repetitions of this sort.


Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Bill White
 

Hi, Michele and list.

 

What is the latest version of Skype on each platform? | Skype Support

Latest versions

Android Phone and tablet 

Skype for Android 6.0+ version 8.61.0.96

Skype for Android 4.0.4 to 5.1 version 8.15.0.430

Skype Lite version 1.84.0.1

iPad

Skype for iPad 8.61.0.99

iPhone

Skype for iPhone version 8.61.0.99

iPod touch

Skype 8.61.0.99

Mac

Skype for Mac (OS 10.10 and higher) version 8.61.0.95

Skype for Mac (OS 10.9) version 8.49.0.49

Linux

Skype for Linux version 8.61.0.95

Windows

Skype for Windows Desktop version 8.61.0.87

Windows 10

Skype for Windows 10 (version 15) 8.61.0.100/15.61.100.0

Amazon Kindle Fire HD/HDX

Skype for Amazon Kindle Fire HD/HDX version 8.15.0.419

Amazon Fire HD Tablet

Skype for Amazon Fire HD tablet version 8.15.0.419

Windows 10 Mobile

Skype 12.1815.210.0 for Windows 10

Xbox One

Skype for Xbox One version 12.1815.210.107

 

What is the latest version of Skype on each platform

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michele Barbi
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:12 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

 

Hello Doug, thanks for letting us know, going to upgrade scripts once again.

One question though: you wrote that it's tested under application version 8.61.100, though in my case it's 87 instead of 100. Do you still encounter some issues with hotkeys such as ctrl+shift+p or alt+numbers? If not, where can I find build 100 of skype?

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Doug Lee
 

I doubt that last number means much to us, but that of course depends on the specific company/product etc. I don't know how to find specific builds by number nowadays.

I haven't tried Ctrl+Shift+P since updating things, but Alt+numbers seem to work fine here.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:11:55PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hello Doug, thanks for letting us know, going to upgrade scripts once
again.

One question though: you wrote that it's tested under application
version 8.61.100, though in my case it's 87 instead of 100. Do you
still encounter some issues with hotkeys such as ctrl+shift+p or
alt+numbers? If not, where can I find build 100 of skype?

Bye!

Barbuz

--
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10



References

1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4519
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
3. mailto:barbi.michele@gmail.com?subject=Private: Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
4. https://groups.io/mt/75216041/409874
5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)


Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Michele Barbi
 

Hello Doug, thanks for letting us know, going to upgrade scripts once again.

One question though: you wrote that it's tested under application version 8.61.100, though in my case it's 87 instead of 100. Do you still encounter some issues with hotkeys such as ctrl+shift+p or alt+numbers? If not, where can I find build 100 of skype?

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Doug Lee
 

Yes, the subject says "six issues." Read release notes at http://www.dlee.org/skype#hist and download scripts from the download link earlier in that same document.

The main issue fixed here is of course the repeating "Skype" issue when you Alt+Tab into Skype. Curiously, that issue (as I said here last night) actually resulted from my rename of the script files; but I fixed it without
changing file names again. Other issues are documented in the release notes.

Installation: If you did not install revision 173, follow the directions on that web page for installing 173 when you install revision 174.
If you did install revision 173, just run the 174 installer and let it handle the details.

Finally, an apology: As I mentioned yesterday on this list, I did notice the repetition yesterday morning while starting this update. However, repetition does not usually bother me to the extent that incorrect or missing
information does; I guess I'm sort of used to tuning it out. As a result, the issue did not register on my radar as sufficient to stop the release; and amid all the details of updating JAWS scripts, NVDA add-on code,
documentation, mailing lists, Twitter, Telegram, etc., I rather forgot about the issue until Gary mentioned it here. I have since noticed that a number of folk are severely bothered by repetitions of this sort.

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I am a leader by default, only because nature does not allow a vacuum."
Bishop Desmond Tutu


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Gary Jackson
 

Doug,


I knew as soon as  you could duplicate it you would have a diagnosis. You never have let grass grow under  your feet. smile


Gary

On 6/30/2020 2:49 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
By now I have a diagnosis but not a solution. Short version: The problem resulted from my renaming skypeelectron.jsb to skype.jsb for some reason. If I rename it back and change ConfigNames.ini accordingly, the problem
goes away.

Longer explanation: JAWS normally reads the names of the various controls that contain the focused control when you Alt+Tab into an application. Skype has no less than three container controls named Skype. The repetitions
are just JAWS dutifully reading them all one at a time.

The JAWS scripts for Skype that come with JAWS include code to avoid much of this repetition. My scripts also include code to avoid it, but it's not the same code. In current Skype versions, the JAWS code works better than mine.

I believe that, when the files were named skypeelectron instead of just Skype, the JAWS scripts for Skype that came with JAWS briefly loaded before mine did. The result was that the JAWS code fixed the repetition problem
during the very brief moment it was running. Of course I didn't know this was happening, so I assumed my method of fixing the problem was still working.
I could be wrong about the stock scripts briefly running, but it explains why things work if I rename my scripts again.

I will need to update how I handle the repetition when it is caused by JAWS reading legitimate control names on Skype focus.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 09:16:57AM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out
that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially
with alt+tab.

Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message.

Bye!

Barbuz
--
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


References

1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4514
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating
3. mailto:barbi.michele@gmail.com?subject=Private: Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating
4. https://groups.io/mt/75208273/409874
5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Gary Jackson
 

Hello Barbuz,


I'm sure you're right about the number 1. For some time mine says 1 new notification when I first load skype. Just haven't been too concerned with it, lol.


Gary


On 6/30/2020 2:16 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:

Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially with alt+tab.

Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message.

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Doug Lee
 

By now I have a diagnosis but not a solution. Short version: The problem resulted from my renaming skypeelectron.jsb to skype.jsb for some reason. If I rename it back and change ConfigNames.ini accordingly, the problem
goes away.

Longer explanation: JAWS normally reads the names of the various controls that contain the focused control when you Alt+Tab into an application. Skype has no less than three container controls named Skype. The repetitions
are just JAWS dutifully reading them all one at a time.

The JAWS scripts for Skype that come with JAWS include code to avoid much of this repetition. My scripts also include code to avoid it, but it's not the same code. In current Skype versions, the JAWS code works better than mine.

I believe that, when the files were named skypeelectron instead of just Skype, the JAWS scripts for Skype that came with JAWS briefly loaded before mine did. The result was that the JAWS code fixed the repetition problem
during the very brief moment it was running. Of course I didn't know this was happening, so I assumed my method of fixing the problem was still working.
I could be wrong about the stock scripts briefly running, but it explains why things work if I rename my scripts again.

I will need to update how I handle the repetition when it is caused by JAWS reading legitimate control names on Skype focus.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 09:16:57AM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out
that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially
with alt+tab.

Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message.

Bye!

Barbuz
--
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10



References

1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4514
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating
3. mailto:barbi.michele@gmail.com?subject=Private: Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating
4. https://groups.io/mt/75208273/409874
5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Pray devoutly, but hammer stoutly."
--Sir William G. Benham


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Michele Barbi
 

Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially with alt+tab.

Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message.

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Gary Jackson
 

Doug,


I just uninstalled 173 and re-installed 162. Sure something going on there.


Gary

On 6/30/2020 12:53 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
I get a couple of repeats when Skype takes focus, one of which includes the word "page"; but I have not yet tackled that one. When I noticed it this morning, actually before I made any script changes I think, I figured something
changed in Skype 8.61 that I hadn't noticed before.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:56:57PM -0500, Gary Jackson wrote:
All,


I'm using skype desktop/ electron version 8.6.1 with revision 173 scripts.
this is with jaws 2020 and 2019. Now I'm getting a whole lot of  repeating.
Example. when I alt tab to the skype window I get, skype1, skype1, skype1,
skype1. Any ideas?


Gary


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Doug Lee
 

I get a couple of repeats when Skype takes focus, one of which includes the word "page"; but I have not yet tackled that one. When I noticed it this morning, actually before I made any script changes I think, I figured something
changed in Skype 8.61 that I hadn't noticed before.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:56:57PM -0500, Gary Jackson wrote:
All,


I'm using skype desktop/ electron version 8.6.1 with revision 173 scripts.
this is with jaws 2020 and 2019. Now I'm getting a whole lot of  repeating.
Example. when I alt tab to the skype window I get, skype1, skype1, skype1,
skype1. Any ideas?


Gary

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov


Doug's new scripts repeating

Gary Jackson
 

All,


I'm using skype desktop/ electron version 8.6.1 with revision 173 scripts. this is with jaws 2020 and 2019. Now I'm getting a whole lot of  repeating. Example. when I alt tab to the skype window I get, skype1, skype1, skype1, skype1. Any ideas?


Gary


Re: NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Doug Lee
 

I would not put the uninstaller in both the Start menu and Programs and Features at the same time, but I would listen if anyone has a compelling reason that I should change from using the Start menu to using Programs and
Features. Installers will continue to run without requiring admin rights in any case; that helps in some professional settings I encounter. Whatever I do needs to work across a fair number of Windows versions as well.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 08:25:08AM +0500, Hamza Ahmad wrote:
The uninstaller can be placed in programs and features because NSIS
builder supports reg query functions. As for placing an uninstaller
within JAWS menu or in the JAWS utility folder, it will require the
admin rights to work. In the common scripting elements section on Ddug
website states that all installer file do not require administrator
permission. It means that installers are specifically built for
current user.
We can request the author to include the installer in programs and
features list.
Best

On 6/30/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Hi, John. You are way too logical for me. That's exactly where it is
located, in the Start menu. For some reason, I was thinking that the
uninstall option for the Skype Scripts was somewhere within the JAWS menus.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf
Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts.
It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as
I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the
fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical
to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them
manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the
old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will
not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for
Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing
for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue
being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have
pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they
live."
-- Nancy Moser


























--
Hamza Ahmad

I am What I know not Even.

Connect through:

· Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/hafiz.hamzaahmad.9>;

· Mobile <+923054108223>

· Twitter <https://twitter.com/sirhamzaahmad>;

· LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamza-ahmad-9190a8175/>;

· GitHub <https://github.com/literary-programmer>;



--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov


Re: NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hamza Ahmad
 

The uninstaller can be placed in programs and features because NSIS
builder supports reg query functions. As for placing an uninstaller
within JAWS menu or in the JAWS utility folder, it will require the
admin rights to work. In the common scripting elements section on Ddug
website states that all installer file do not require administrator
permission. It means that installers are specifically built for
current user.
We can request the author to include the installer in programs and
features list.
Best

On 6/30/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Hi, John. You are way too logical for me. That's exactly where it is
located, in the Start menu. For some reason, I was thinking that the
uninstall option for the Skype Scripts was somewhere within the JAWS menus.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf
Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts.
It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as
I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the
fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical
to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them
manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the
old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will
not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for
Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing
for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue
being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have
pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they
live."
-- Nancy Moser

























--
Hamza Ahmad

I am What I know not Even.

Connect through:

· Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/hafiz.hamzaahmad.9>;

· Mobile <+923054108223>

· Twitter <https://twitter.com/sirhamzaahmad>;

· LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamza-ahmad-9190a8175/>;

· GitHub <https://github.com/literary-programmer>;


Re: JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Bill White
 

Hi, John. To be able to download the JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows,

1. Open Microsoft Edge.
2. Press ALT.
3. Up Arrow to Settings and press ENTER.
4. In Settings, navigate to Privacy and Services, and press ENTER.
5. TAB to Microsoft Defender SmartScreen check box, and uncheck it. This
will stop the warnings about unsigned downloads.
6. Close Edge and relaunch.
7. Go to the following link, and download Skype Scripts For JAWS For
Windows,

http://www.dlee.org/skype/jfw_skype.exe

I hope this helps you with Edge and downloading the scripts.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

How do you download this with Microsoft Edge under Windows 7?
It says you are an unsigned publisher and I don't see a way to make the DL
happen anyway.
Thanks for all you do,
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in
an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for
reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all
references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct
link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this
update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of
scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the
installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not
try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL changes,
the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype
scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live."
-- Nancy Moser


Re: JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Doug Lee
 

Answering several messages at once:

Jerry: If you are running Skype UWP now, wait for that to update, or update it from the Microsoft Store, before installing the updated scripts. If you are using Skype for Windows Desktop now, you can update the scripts
immediately.

Octavian: Skype for Windows Desktop has not changed since 8.61; the Skype change is in Skype for Windows 10. The effects on Windows 7 users are these:

1. In the NVDA add-on, I fixed the review cursor in messages in message history.

2. In the JAWS scripts, file names changed, and there are other updates as listed in the release notes.

Bill and John: My script installers create an item under the Start menu rather than adding to Programs and Features so the installer will not require admin rights to run.

John: Sorry about being an unsigned publisher. I may change that someday, but that costs money and can be a hassle to set up. Browsers typically warn against Internet executable downloads but will permit you to run them
after you get past the warnings. I am not a regular Edge user though, so I don't have specific steps for you.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 03:23:00PM -0700, Bill White wrote:
You may need to unblock potentially unsafe downloads in Edge.

Use the following link to download the JAWS Scripts For Skype For Windows,

http://www.dlee.org/skype/jfw_skype.exe

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

How do you download this with Microsoft Edge under Windows 7?
It says you are an unsigned publisher and I don't see a way to make the DL
happen anyway.
Thanks for all you do,
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in
an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for
reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all
references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct
link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this
update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of
scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the
installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not
try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL changes,
the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype
scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
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Re: JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Jerry Pryde
 

Should I download the scripts now, to make the changes in Skype for Windows smooth with the update when it comes?

Does it remove old scripts, and replace them as usual?

On 2020-06-29 2:29 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL
changes, the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10, formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp" on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

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