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Re: New accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs
John Holcomb II
My 7 is still working, although I got 8 working ok enough on my windows 10 2006 laptop. Ok enough for what I use it for.
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 12:49 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] New accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs
Any improvement is good, but these are small improvements while bigger issues will never be solved.
The biggest issue: Skype 8 uses a web interface. This issue might be worked around if the scripts will turn the virtual buffer off automaticly and it will use only the PC cursor, and of course, if this way Skype will be fully accessible this way.
The best news is that for the moment Skype 7 still works. Too bad that it will probably stop working soon.
--Octavian
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Re: New accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs
Lino Morales
I hope these changes I’m about to read will come to Skype for Windows 10 as well. They need some work. Its usable, but their certain things NVDA doesn’t read well. An aside here. Does anyone have problems with Skype 8 and JAWS 2019? With NVDA I’m able to use it like a web page with my arrow keys to move around, but not so much with JAWS and Narrator and this is with Doug’s electron scripts. Any thoughts?
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From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of John Holcomb II <jhii926@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 12:29:28 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: [skypeenglish] New accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/10/31/new-accessibility-improvements-in-skype-8-0/?utm_content=79383788&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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Re: New accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs
Doug Lee
My scripts do, in fact, turn off the virtual PC cursor by default; you can turn it back on as you wish.
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Not everyone prefers this approach for Electron apps, I find; and the stock FS scripts for Skype 8 do not do this.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 07:49:06PM +0200, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Any improvement is good, but these are small improvements while bigger issues will never be solved. The biggest issue: Skype 8 uses a web interface. This issue might be worked around if the scripts will turn the virtual buffer off automaticly and it will use only the PC cursor, and of course, if this way Skype will be fully accessible this way. The best news is that for the moment Skype 7 still works. Too bad that it will probably stop working soon. --Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: [1]John Holcomb II To: [2]skypeenglish@groups.io Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 7:29 PM Subject: [skypeenglish] New accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs [3]https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/10/31/new-accessibility-improvemen ts-in-skype-8-0/?utm_content=79383788&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twit ter References 1. mailto:jhii926@gmail.com 2. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io 3. https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/10/31/new-accessibility-improvements-in-skype-8-0/?utm_content=79383788&;utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter 4. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3519 5. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20New%20accessibility%20improvements%20in%20Skype%208.0%20%7C%20Skype%20Blogs 6. mailto:orasnita@gmail.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20New%20accessibility%20improvements%20in%20Skype%208.0%20%7C%20Skype%20Blogs 7. https://groups.io/mt/28243551/409874 8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post 9. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874 11. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io 12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper." --Rod Serling
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Re: New accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs
Octavian Rasnita
Any improvement is good, but these are small
improvements while bigger issues will never be solved.
The biggest issue: Skype 8 uses a web
interface.
This issue might be worked around if the scripts
will turn the virtual buffer off automaticly and it will use only the PC cursor,
and of course, if this way Skype will be fully accessible this way.
The best news is that for the moment Skype 7 still
works. Too bad that it will probably stop working soon.
--Octavian
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New accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs
John Holcomb II
https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/10/31/new-accessibility-improvements-in-skype-8-0/?utm_content=79383788&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Doug Lee
Aha! This I can work with - it means the mrw script is compiled with a JAWS version that produced a jsb that you can't use. That probably means that the mrw scripts don't work below JAWS 16 after all, but I didn't know it
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because I can't run JAWS 15 here anymore. I have uploaded an update. Please download and try again from http://www.dlee.org/mrw/
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 01:42:17PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Script load error. The mrw/freedom scientific jsb is not the proper version; something like that. I couldn't copy and paste it. On 16/11/2018 1:34 p.m., Doug Lee wrote: Can you let us know the actual message you get from mrw on your system? -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com No one alive is beyond hope; every second of life is a chance. (08/29/02)
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Jerry Pryde
Script load error.
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The mrw/freedom scientific jsb is not the proper version; something like that. I couldn't copy and paste it.
On 16/11/2018 1:34 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
Can you let us know the actual message you get from mrw on your system?
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Doug Lee
Can you let us know the actual message you get from mrw on your system?
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On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 01:21:18PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
The MRW scripts don't work here with jaws 15 and windows 7. It seems there's something not quite right with JAWS. It says something to that effect on installation. On 15/11/2018 11:22 a.m., Doug Lee wrote: 15.0 is the minimum version of JAWS that should be supported; so yes, they should work there. I probably never tested the mrw scripts under JAWS 15 though. -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Jerry Pryde
That's possible.
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The odd thing is, the scripts for Skype worked perfectly all day Wednesday. Only yesterday, they stopped.
On 16/11/2018 1:30 p.m., John Holcomb II wrote:
Maybe you need to do a reinstall of jaws.
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
John Holcomb II
Maybe you need to do a reinstall of jaws.
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-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Pryde Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 1:21 PM To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151 The MRW scripts don't work here with jaws 15 and windows 7. It seems there's something not quite right with JAWS. It says something to that effect on installation. On 15/11/2018 11:22 a.m., Doug Lee wrote: 15.0 is the minimum version of JAWS that should be supported; so yes, they should work there. I probably never tested the mrw scripts under JAWS 15 though.
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Jerry Pryde
The MRW scripts don't work here with jaws 15 and windows 7.
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It seems there's something not quite right with JAWS. It says something to that effect on installation.
On 15/11/2018 11:22 a.m., Doug Lee wrote:
15.0 is the minimum version of JAWS that should be supported; so yes, they should work there. I probably never tested the mrw scripts under JAWS 15 though.
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Doug Lee
Yes.
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On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 08:56:30AM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Doug: The MRW scripts: Do they work with windows 7? On 15/11/2018 11:22 a.m., Doug Lee wrote: 15.0 is the minimum version of JAWS that should be supported; so yes, they should work there. I probably never tested the mrw scripts under JAWS 15 though. -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself." --Benjamin Franklin
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Jerry Pryde
Doug:
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The MRW scripts: Do they work with windows 7?
On 15/11/2018 11:22 a.m., Doug Lee wrote:
15.0 is the minimum version of JAWS that should be supported; so yes, they should work there. I probably never tested the mrw scripts under JAWS 15 though.
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Jerry Pryde
Never mind the favorites problem. It's solved.
On 15/11/2018 12:45 p.m., Michele Barbi
wrote:
Chris wrote:
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Jerry Pryde
I tried to download the mrw scripts, and it seems to say it's not compatible with JAWS 15. So, I uninstalled it. Now, I can't get to my favorites on internet explorer. It seems to have happened just after uninstalling the scripts. Off topic, yes. But, I can't seem to solve it.
On 15/11/2018 12:45 p.m., Michele Barbi
wrote:
Chris wrote:
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Jerry Pryde
I'm using Skype 7.40.0.151.
On 15/11/2018 12:45 p.m., Michele Barbi
wrote:
Chris wrote:
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Michele Barbi
Chris wrote:
************ Ok Chris, thanks for letting us know. Jerry, if this is the case and you've been autoupdated to Skype 8, watch out because the scripts for Skype electron require at least JAWS 17 as clearly explained on the system requirements section, because Skype 8 configures itself as a Google Chrome window. Bye! Barbuz
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Chris <chrismedley@...>
Skype seems to be updating itself now without any interaction from the user I would double check which version you are running now
Otherwise we are wasting our time here trying to figure it out without the proper information
From: Jerry Pryde
Sent: 15 November 2018 14:52 To: skypeenglish@groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Doug:
re Mathplayer: no.
I last installed skype 7.0 a little more than a month ago, and reinstalled the scripts; all this after a computer repare.
Yesterday, september 13, the scripts worked perfectly, and skype loaded with no problem.
So, this only happened this morning at about 6:30 Eastern time.
On 15/11/2018 9:30 a.m., Doug Lee wrote: > If the message you are getting is specifically, "These scripts do not support this Skype version," let me know what operations result in this message. There are ten points in the code that can cause that message. Most have to > do with handling chat messages and windows, but there may be other operations that trigger this message. > > It would also help me to know when you last downloaded a Skype 7 update. > > Finally, because one known cause of this issue is related to Windows MSAA support, two more questions: Have you rebooted since you ran into this problem, and have you recently installed or removed something called Mathplayer? > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 08:57:16AM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote: > PS: > > The scripts worked perfectly yesterday. > > Today, they don't work for some reason. > > Jerry. > > On 15/11/2018 8:05 a.m., Michele Barbi wrote: >> Hello Jerry, >> I though Skype 7 was officially blocked as of november 1, 2018, but that's >> another topic... >> Anyway, yes make sure which scripts revision you have, considering latest >> for Skype classic is 622b, revision 993. Try pressing insert+q from within >> Skype, and if you figure out you have a less recent scripts revision, try >> updating it. This is the direct download link for the installer: >> http://www.dlee.org/skype/classic/jfw-skr622b.exe >> Doug, if you can read this thread, let me know if there is something to >> add. >> >> >> >> > >
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Doug Lee
15.0 is the minimum version of JAWS that should be supported; so yes, they should work there. I probably never tested the mrw scripts under JAWS 15 though.
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Just as a gentle alert: I can no longer practically test scripts on my own machine against JAWS versions older than 18. Some of my projects are moving to cut off at JAWS 14 currently. The next cutoff line may be JAWS 15 but may be a later version. I have not determined yet either when the next cutoff will occur or at which JAWS verssion. I do avoid cutting off old JAWS versions until I have a reason to do it, but then I tend to cut at a transitional version for scripting features that I can use to improve efficiency, support newer application types, etc.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:09:05AM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
PS: I tried to install from that link, but it seems to indicate that this version of JAWS isn't compatible. On 15/11/2018 10:58 a.m., Doug Lee wrote: I thought of suggesting that, and it will be useful to see if installing those and activating the workaround will help; but I don't yet know how likely that is to succeed. I'm working on professional projects at the moment -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live." -- Nancy Moser
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Re: Scripts for skype 7.0.4.0.151
Jerry Pryde
PS:
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I tried to install from that link, but it seems to indicate that this version of JAWS isn't compatible.
On 15/11/2018 10:58 a.m., Doug Lee wrote:
I thought of suggesting that, and it will be useful to see if installing those and activating the workaround will help; but I don't yet know how likely that is to succeed. I'm working on professional projects at the moment
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