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Re: Skype UWP discontinued?
Jacob
8.58 is public. I installed it today.
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OZ0TE Jacob
On 2020-03-18 at 17:10 Doug Lee wrote:
I was just informed by a coworker of the following post:
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Skype UWP discontinued?
Doug Lee
I was just informed by a coworker of the following post:
Microsoft replace Skype UWP app with Desktop Electron version: https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-replace-skype-uwp-app-with-desktop-electron-version/ Note that this is an MSInsider post, not a formal Microsoft announcement. Still, I regard it as both a public post and an indication of what is coming, all therein-contained opinions about the wisdom of this change aside. This move does not surprise me, and that is one reason that I, though I made several partial efforts, never fully completed an up-to-date set of JAWS scripts for Skype UWP. My JAWS scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop remain current and work with Skype 8.57, the current Skype for Windows Desktop release. I expect I will make them work with Skype 8.58 if necessary when that comes out to the public. If the above announcement actually means that the Store Skype UWP version will become identical to the Skype for Windows Desktop version we now use, I also expect I'll try to make my scripts work for the Store app just as they do for the Desktop app. -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010)
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Labels bug fixed
Michele Barbi
Hi guys, I think I recently posted a message since I found out a bug in Skype 8.56 or so, where after logging out of you account the "Sign in with another account" button was not labeled correctly, meaning that JAWS only said button. Now I figured out that it's fixed with Skype 8.57, so if you did not update and you often need to pass from an account to another I recommend you to update asap. In case it is useful, I am now using Skype 8.57, JAWS 2020 latest build, and scripts revision 137. OS is Windows 10 version 1909. Bye! Barbuz -- Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10
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Re: sdndint files
Jerry Pryde
Thanks Andre.
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It works.
On 2020-03-07 8:04 a.m., Andre Polykanine via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Jerry,
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Re: sdndint files
Andre Polykanine
Hello Jerry,
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I prefer doing it from Skype nowadays. If you're sitting in the chat window, just press Ctrl+Shift+F, and an ordinary Open File dialog opens. -- With best regards from Germany, Andre Skype: menelion_elensule Twitter (English only): @AndrePolykanine
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From: Jerry Pryde <jpryde1@cogeco.ca> To: skypeenglish@groups.io Date created: , 9:39:28 PM Subject: [skypeenglish] sdndint files Hi all. Does anyone know how to send files via skype? In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues after using the applications key. That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10. Jerry.
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Re: sdndint files
Jerry Pryde
Never mind. You're right. I typed that command in the wrong field. It works.
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Thanks Octavian.
On 2020-03-06 4:41 p.m., Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Or you can press Control+Shift+F and this will open the "Open file" dialog.
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Re: sdndint files
Jerry Pryde
Just tried that. Didn't work.
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On 2020-03-06 4:41 p.m., Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Or you can press Control+Shift+F and this will open the "Open file" dialog.
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Re: sdndint files
Octavian Rasnita
Or you can press Control+Shift+F and this will open the "Open file" dialog.
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--Octavian
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From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@dlee.org> To: <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] sdndint files It's a standard file selection dialog I believe, which means the edit box would let you type a path, not just a file name; but that you could also Shift+Tab to a list, go back farther to navigate through folders, etc.
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Re: sdndint files
Jerry Pryde
Thanks Billions.
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It worked. When I slected a file, it added it in the edit box. Clicked on Open, clicked the send file button, and Victory.
On 2020-03-06 4:31 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's a standard file selection dialog I believe, which means the edit box would let you type a path, not just a file name; but that you could also Shift+Tab to a list, go back farther to navigate through folders, etc.
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Re: sdndint files
Doug Lee
It's a standard file selection dialog I believe, which means the edit box would let you type a path, not just a file name; but that you could also Shift+Tab to a list, go back farther to navigate through folders, etc.
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On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:51:47PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
PS: When I type the name of a file, it says the fil'e not found. But, it's in my hard drive. On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote: It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat. -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt
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Re: sdndint files
Jerry Pryde
PS:
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When I type the name of a file, it says the fil'e not found. But, it's in my hard drive.
On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.
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Re: sdndint files
Jerry Pryde
Do you type the name of the file, or ca:\ etc?
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On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.
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Re: sdndint files
Doug Lee
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.
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On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:39:28PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all. Does anyone know how to send files via skype? In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues after using the applications key. That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10. Jerry. -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "Pray devoutly, but hammer stoutly." --Sir William G. Benham
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sdndint files
Jerry Pryde
Hi all.
Does anyone know how to send files via skype? In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues after using the applications key. That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10. Jerry.
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Re: Shortcut for the back button doesn't work
Doug Lee
I'm sure the window maximizing thing means that window size can govern what's included in a window in Skype Desktop. Good to know; thanks for the quick reply.
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And for all else watching, keep in mind that there was a typo in the message I was answering: Alt+numbers jump to parts of Skype, not Ctrl+numbers.
On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:28:11PM +0000, Léonie Watson wrote:
It does still happen, but a bit of experimentation has found that maximising the window seems to solve the problem - although the default/original size of the window is perfectly normal according to sighted people I've checked with. On 06/03/2020 14:27, Doug Lee wrote: Léonie, I failed to answer this over month-old message; but typically, unanswered emails sit in my inbox until I do; and that happened here. I am slating for implementation in the Skype Electron scripts a faster way to click-- @LeonieWatson Carpe diem. -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "It is not the mountain in the distance which makes you want to stop walking; but the grain of sand in your shoe." --Anon
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Re: Shortcut for the back button doesn't work
Léonie Watson
It does still happen, but a bit of experimentation has found that maximising the window seems to solve the problem - although the default/original size of the window is perfectly normal according to sighted people I've checked with.
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On 06/03/2020 14:27, Doug Lee wrote:
Léonie, I failed to answer this over month-old message; but typically, unanswered emails sit in my inbox until I do; and that happened here. I am slating for implementation in the Skype Electron scripts a faster way to click --
@LeonieWatson Carpe diem.
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Re: Shortcut for the back button doesn't work
Stephen Troy
hi doug
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ctrl1 doesn't work as a back keystroke for me either. I also have to tab round to the back button. I'm running exactly the same as leonie.
On 06/03/2020, Doug Lee <dgl@dlee.org> wrote:
Léonie, I failed to answer this over month-old message; but typically,
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Re: Shortcut for the back button doesn't work
Doug Lee
Léonie, I failed to answer this over month-old message; but typically, unanswered emails sit in my inbox until I do; and that happened here. I am slating for implementation in the Skype Electron scripts a faster way to click
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the Back button, though I could not reproduce your specific issue myself. I'd be curious to know if this still happens to you. Sorry it took me so long to answer.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 09:29:13AM +0000, Léonie Watson wrote:
Hello, I've just installed Skype 8.55.0.141 on a Windows 10 machine with a fresh install of Jaws 2020, and version 137 of the Jaws scripts, and I can no longer get the control 1 shortcut to work. Instead I have to tab around to find the back button. I've tried reinstalling both Skype and the Jaws scripts but it hasn't helped. I've restarted both my laptop and Jaws each time, but that hasn't worked either. Help welcome. Thanks Léonie. -- @LeonieWatson Carpe diem. -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "There are no guarantees. From a standpoint of fear, none are strong enough. From a standpoint of love, none are necessary." - from Emmanuel's Book II
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A perhaps ironic thing to say, but, a new way to find me...
Doug Lee
For a long time, this has been the best place to find me for Skype script and even NVDA add-on support for Skype products, which include Skype for Windows Desktop, Skype UWP for Windows 10 though I haven't kept up so well
with that one, and Skype For Business (SFB), formerly known as Microsoft Lync. This is still true, but the alternatives to this list are changing; and I thought I should announce this here in case it still affects anyone. For years, I have maintained a Twitter project announcement and support account, @dlee_code. That account remains but is no longer preferred as a means of contacting me. And now to the reason I said this message could be considered ironic: My new preferred point of text-based contact for project support is Telegram. That would be a Skype competitor lol. Here's how it works: If you don't have Telegram and don't want it, you can view my project update announcements, for all my public projects including Skype-related ones, at https://t.me/s/dlee_code The slightly shorter URL https://t.me/dlee_code will let you join my Telegram channel for project updates. That's still a view-only channel (well ok, that's what "channel" means on Telegram), but there's a link on that screen (in Telegram) or page (in your browser) for a discussion group. If you join that group, you can talk back to me about projects I'm working on. Please keep any messages there related to projects of mine. The direct link for joining that group is a bit messier: https://t.me/joinchat/OUU9GRieXgkcDYYdSXeGGQ As for accessible Telegrams: * The native iOS Telegram app works well enough with VoiceOver for sending and receiving messages, in my experience. * The Unigram Windows Store app works well enough on Windows, and I have JAWS scripts for that one at https://www.dlee.org/unigram/ * I'm told that Telegram is decent on Android, but I don't have more specifics on that except that I also hear the explore-by-touch is often necessary to use it. Other useful references: My https://www.dlee.org/contact/ page is the official guide on how to contact me for various things. My main website at https://www.dlee.org is the best place to find a current list of my public projects, of which there are currently about 40. And finally, no, I am definitely not leaving Skype or abandoning the scripts for it. :-) Skype just doesn't offer me the sort of configuration I want for project-related communications, and Twitter has raised sufficient concerns in my mind to make me move away from using it for this purpose - though my project update Telegram posts are currently also automatically posting to my @dlee_code Twitter. A page describing my reasons for this move from Twitter to Telegram can be found at https://www.dlee.org/twit2tel.htm Happy Skyping to all. -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "Maturity is knowing that the world owes you nothing. Freedom is knowing you owe it the same. Character is how you respond to the knowing." --Jack Kincaid
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Re: Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running
Doug Lee
I actually spent a fairly significant amount of time arranging the scripts for this application into three branches, all of which can be found at https://www.dlee.org/sfb/
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I don't have a way to test older versions, so my idea of what should be in the older two of those may be off a bit; but if either of the last two branches on that page help you, please let me know. I admit, though, this issue you're having is reminiscent to me of a general issue I've been seeing in several applications. Off the top of my head, they include Skype UWP (the Windows 10 alternative to Skype for Windows Desktop) and Unigram (a Windows Telegram client that is more accessible than the native Telegram client on Windows). The general issue I've seen is that certain types of events that cause a system tray alert to appear can also confuse JAWS' idea of which application has focus. I wonder if this is a JAWS issue because I'm not aware of it occurring under NVDA; but I could be wrong there. I regard the acid test for this issue to be pretty clear: If you Alt+Tab twice, you should land back in the same app that had focus in the first place according to Windows, right? So when this issue occurs and you Alt+Tab twice, you land back in the app you were working in, not the one that generated the systray alert and confused JAWS' idea of focus. Let me know if any of the SFB/Lync script versions help you. Also I recommend contacting Freedom/Vispero if the issue is not addressed by those; and I honestly suspect that no script will currently fix this one. Sometimes though, I would love to be wrong. :-)
On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 05:50:17AM +0000, Francois Jacobs via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi list I thought perhaps my vacation leave would take care of the problem but obviously not. The email trail is below, but in brief I need to have a group conversation open for the duration of my work shift. Each time a team member posts something to this team chat Jaws loses focus of the application I was last working on. A good example of that is that I might be navigating a Word document in the Quick Keys review mode (jaws-z) when the SFB message comes in. Jaws now thinks we're in the SFB application and the quick keys mode in Word is no longer active. In case it helps, when the SFB message comes in, pressing Jaws-t to read the widow title Jaws announces Skype for Business. However, pressing Jaws-q to check which scripts are running Jaws would still announce the scripts name for the application I am actually focused on. I would appreciate any help on things I can try to resolve this. I'm running Skype for Business 2016 here at work under what looks likeWindows 8.1. Info as per the Winver command: "Microsoft Windows Version 6.3 (Build 9600) © 2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. The Windows 8.1 Pro operating system and its user interface are protected by trademark and other pending or existing intellectual property rights in the United States and other countries/regions." The latest Jaws scripts are installed and I get the following info by pressing Jaws-q twice when SFB is in focus: "Revision 385 Lync 2013 and Skype for Business settings are used in the lync.exe application. The configuration name is lync." Thanks for any help. Francois -----Original Message----- From: Francois Jacobs Sent: Friday, 7 February 2020 8:00 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: RE: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running Hi again Doug Just to let you know I managed to get SFB 2016 installed today. Iwas so looking forward to the problem being gone, but for some reason it isn't. I haven't tried installing your scripts for SFB 2016 yet as it's been a busy Friday, but on Monday I'll try. Just wanted to let you know in case you were still planning to do some work on creating that beta version for the 2015 scripts to recognise Jaws 2020. Thanks, Francois -----Original Message----- From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 5:29 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running Wow, didn't know any SFB version that old was still in use out there. I may vaguely recall that focus issue, but I believe that was fixed within SFB itself. I did not try to script around that one as far as I remember. I'm somewhat surprised that the SFB 2015 scripts won't install into JAWS 2020, but the code could require an update. If you like, I can generate an updated beta; though I have no way to test it here. I'm just not expecting an update to help with the focus problem you are reporting, annoying though I'm sure that issue is for you. You might see if a Do Not Disturb status will prevent that issue, assuming your management doesn't mind you staying in that status and assuming it doesn't make you miss things you need to see. You could also try putting SFB on another virtual desktop if your Windows version allows that, but I have never tried that one myself to know if it would help. On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 04:46:09AM +0000, Francois Jacobs via Groups.Io wrote: Hi there  Iâm new to this list, have no idea to do an archive list and can only hope this question hasnât been addressed before.  I am required to be logged into an open team chat the whole work day as this is how our team members post questions and announcements. Every time a team member posts a message to the open chat my screen reader seems to focus on the message, i.e. away from what Iâm currently doing. It drives me crazy and is very unproductive as you can imagine. The quickest way I have found to restore focus to my current application is by pressing the alt key twice, but surely thereâs a solution? I have checked Skype settings, specifically checking that Always on Top wasnât checked and it doesnât make a difference.  I googled and found Doug Leeâs scripts for SFB and downloaded the version for SFB prior to SFB2016, hoping that might solve it. Unfortunately I suspect theyâre not compatible with Jaws 2020, because in the installer the list is blank under the text that reads: âThe following compatible versions of JAWS have been found on your system. All versions are currently selected for installation. Use Space to alter selections if necessary, then press Install to proceed.â I then activate Install anyway but the installer just closes.  The system configuration weâre using at work is determined at a corporate level, so I have no control over that. Iâm using: Windows 8.1 pro Skype for Business version 2015 JAWS Version 2020.1912.11.400  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks  Francois Jacobs References 1. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4329__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHPUgbca0$ 2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running 3. mailto:Francois.Jacobs@linkgroup.com?subject=Private: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running 4. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/mt/70265428/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHatN_aWY$ 5. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHQxy3t3Y$ 6. https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.dlee.org/skype/__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHX2suFag$ 7. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHzfBWNKU$ 8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io 9. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHBzspvAw$ -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.dlee.org__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHD_T3Zp4$ Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.LevelAccess.com__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHEycOWbw$ Don't be afraid your life will end; be afraid that itwill never begin. -- Grace Hansen -- Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com "Our chief want in life is somebody who will make us do what we can. {Ralph Waldo Emerson}
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