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Re: Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh. Ok, try disabling the scripts  for jaws first is what I would do, then try reproducing  the error(s) I call them errors even though they are technically not. Good luck. And, thanks for understanding when I was asking if this was an April fools joke. I meant no snark by that.

 

Happy Saturday to all.

 

From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marco Zehe
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 12:17 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

 

Hi Sarah,

 

no, this is definitely not an April fools joke. In fact I didn’t even think about the date when posting.

 

Yes, the missing characters show up on the Braille display and with speech. In fact they even produce misspelling warnings because the characters are missing. Once inserted, the spelling error goes away. It’s Skype 8.82.0.404, on Windows 11, currently in Insider Beta.

 

Marco

 

 

From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 10:43 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

 

If this is not an April fools joke, are the missing characters also not showing up on a braille display, also what version of skype are you using, what version of and build of windows, and what have you done to troubleshoot. If this is an April fools joke, disregard my questions.


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On 1 Apr 2022, at 11:32, Marco Zehe wrote:

Hi all,

 

is anyone else noticing dropped characters when typing new messages in Skype? I am using JAWS 2022.2202.38 and revision 220 of the Skype scripts. I find this especially noticeable once the first misspelling has occurred. I use a Braille display in addition to speech. Skype is version 8.82.0.404.

 

Thanks!

Marco

 


Re: Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

Marco Zehe
 

Hi Sarah,

 

no, this is definitely not an April fools joke. In fact I didn’t even think about the date when posting.

 

Yes, the missing characters show up on the Braille display and with speech. In fact they even produce misspelling warnings because the characters are missing. Once inserted, the spelling error goes away. It’s Skype 8.82.0.404, on Windows 11, currently in Insider Beta.

 

Marco

 

 

From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 10:43 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

 

If this is not an April fools joke, are the missing characters also not showing up on a braille display, also what version of skype are you using, what version of and build of windows, and what have you done to troubleshoot. If this is an April fools joke, disregard my questions.


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On 1 Apr 2022, at 11:32, Marco Zehe wrote:

Hi all,

 

is anyone else noticing dropped characters when typing new messages in Skype? I am using JAWS 2022.2202.38 and revision 220 of the Skype scripts. I find this especially noticeable once the first misspelling has occurred. I use a Braille display in addition to speech. Skype is version 8.82.0.404.

 

Thanks!

Marco

 


Re: Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

Marco Zehe
 

Thanks, Doug, I started noticing this problem fairly recently, and it may or may not have coincided with me starting to use your scripts for Skype. I had not used your scripts before, but had used Skype, and hadn't noticed the problem previously. However, Skype also got the update to the 8.82.0.404 version recently, so I was wondering, and am probably going start hunting down, which of them might be the culprit.

Thanks,

Marco

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 9:33 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

I haven't noticed any coincidence between spelling corrections and dropped characters, but I have occasionally noticed dropped characters and have done my best to reduce the frequency of this issue, mostly by suspending the typing sounds while you are typing into that box. That's why you may notice that the typing sound for the other person stops for a few seconds every time you start typing at your end.

I don't know specifically why this character loss happens, but I do know these things:

1. The issue applies to multiple Electron-based apps; Skype is an Electron app.

2. The issue is related to how much work JAWS is doing while you type.

3. The loss of characters implies to me that JAWS can lose characters if keyboard events happen faster than JAWS can process them. Although the newer but not default "unified" keyboard handler may resolve this, I suspect it would currently create other problems; and I have not tested that theory yet.

On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 06:32:19PM +0000, Marco Zehe wrote:
Hi all,

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is anyone else noticing dropped characters when typing new messages in
Skype? I am using JAWS 2022.2202.38 and revision 220 of the Skype
scripts. I find this especially noticeable once the first misspelling
has occurred. I use a Braille display in addition to speech. Skype is
version 8.82.0.404.

Â

Thanks!

Marco

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Re: Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

Michele Barbi
 

Guys I didn't notice this issue when using Skype, though I did in other applications.

Bye!

Barbuz

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Re: Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

Sarah k Alawami
 

If this is not an April fools joke, are the missing characters also not showing up on a braille display, also what version of skype are you using, what version of and build of windows, and what have you done to troubleshoot. If this is an April fools joke, disregard my questions.


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On 1 Apr 2022, at 11:32, Marco Zehe wrote:

Hi all,

 

is anyone else noticing dropped characters when typing new messages in Skype? I am using JAWS 2022.2202.38 and revision 220 of the Skype scripts. I find this especially noticeable once the first misspelling has occurred. I use a Braille display in addition to speech. Skype is version 8.82.0.404.

 

Thanks!

Marco

 


Re: Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

Doug Lee
 

I haven't noticed any coincidence between spelling corrections and dropped characters, but I have occasionally
noticed dropped characters and have done my best to reduce the frequency of this issue, mostly by suspending
the typing sounds while you are typing into that box. That's why you may notice that the typing sound for the
other person stops for a few seconds every time you start typing at your end.

I don't know specifically why this character loss happens, but I do know these things:

1. The issue applies to multiple Electron-based apps; Skype is an Electron app.

2. The issue is related to how much work JAWS is doing while you type.

3. The loss of characters implies to me that JAWS can lose characters if keyboard events happen faster than
JAWS can process them. Although the newer but not default "unified" keyboard handler may resolve this, I
suspect it would currently create other problems; and I have not tested that theory yet.

On Fri, Apr 01, 2022 at 06:32:19PM +0000, Marco Zehe wrote:
Hi all,

Â

is anyone else noticing dropped characters when typing new messages in
Skype? I am using JAWS 2022.2202.38 and revision 220 of the Skype
scripts. I find this especially noticeable once the first misspelling
has occurred. I use a Braille display in addition to speech. Skype is
version 8.82.0.404.

Â

Thanks!

Marco

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov


Missing characters when typing messages in Skype with JAWS

Marco Zehe
 

Hi all,

 

is anyone else noticing dropped characters when typing new messages in Skype? I am using JAWS 2022.2202.38 and revision 220 of the Skype scripts. I find this especially noticeable once the first misspelling has occurred. I use a Braille display in addition to speech. Skype is version 8.82.0.404.

 

Thanks!

Marco

 


Re: Providing translations for the Skype scripts

Sarah k Alawami
 

Um, since I let it through, yes it is on topic for this list. OP, can you
please PM Doug with your username and any other details he needs for you to
join the translation team?

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:02 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Providing translations for the Skype scripts

This question is on topic for this list, I'm sure.

I don't have a specific recommendation on how to distribute, and I'm
actually not sure what methods are currently being used for non-English
translations of my various scripts. I've always assumed that translators are
either using websites or Dropbox or a similar means of sharing.

I do have a Skype group chat for translators and I don't see a German
contingent in there. If you want in, small and largely inactive group though
it is, send me your Skype username and I can add you.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 12:20:49PM -0700, Marco Zehe wrote:
Hi Doug,
this is Marco from Germany. I just got into translating some of the
scripts I use like Skype and Teams, and began to translate them into
German. I didn't find a reference to an existing German translation, so
decided to start my own.
What would be the best way to distribute said translation once done, so
that many people can benefit from it? You mention that translators
should proide their translations on their own schedule, but don't
mention if there is a recommended way to do it. Is there?
If the answer to this is out of scope for this list, feel free to
message me privately.
Thanks!
Marco

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(11/10/07)


Re: Providing translations for the Skype scripts

Doug Lee
 

This question is on topic for this list, I'm sure.

I don't have a specific recommendation on how to distribute, and I'm actually not sure what methods are
currently being used for non-English translations of my various scripts. I've always assumed that translators
are either using websites or Dropbox or a similar means of sharing.

I do have a Skype group chat for translators and I don't see a German contingent in there. If you want in,
small and largely inactive group though it is, send me your Skype username and I can add you.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 12:20:49PM -0700, Marco Zehe wrote:
Hi Doug,
this is Marco from Germany. I just got into translating some of the
scripts I use like Skype and Teams, and began to translate them into
German. I didn't find a reference to an existing German translation, so
decided to start my own.
What would be the best way to distribute said translation once done, so
that many people can benefit from it? You mention that translators
should proide their translations on their own schedule, but don't
mention if there is a recommended way to do it. Is there?
If the answer to this is out of scope for this list, feel free to
message me privately.
Thanks!
Marco

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
What is most worth paying for, you buy with the life you live.
(11/10/07)


Providing translations for the Skype scripts

Marco Zehe
 

Hi Doug,

this is Marco from Germany. I just got into translating some of the scripts I use like Skype and Teams, and began to translate them into German. I didn't find a reference to an existing German translation, so decided to start my own.

What would be the best way to distribute said translation once done, so that many people can benefit from it? You mention that translators should proide their translations on their own schedule, but don't mention if there is a recommended way to do it. Is there?

If the answer to this is out of scope for this list, feel free to message me privately.

Thanks!

Marco


Re: JAWS Skype script revision 220 released, to fix issues in Skype 8.82

Doug Lee
 

Two things I missed in my earlier reply:

First, there is another cause of that message: If you type Alt+1 while in a split-view window (a separate chat
window) or an active call window, the field really won't be in the window; but the Alt+1 will then be sent to
Skype and will switch focus to the main Skype window.

Second, the translation for the scConvList constant must be exactly, including letter casing, the name of the
Conversations list in Skype itself.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 09:55:38AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
You will probably need to translate the scConvList constant in the XML file to avoid that message. The command
still works because it will simulate the native Alt+1 command when it can't find the field.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 03:08:17PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hi Doug, thanks for the report about new revision of the Skype scripts which I
just installed, and also for the answer on the other thread about Windows
defender. The alt+1 fix that you made is actually causing a strange situation
with this command when using revision 220: even if the conversations list pops
up normally, it tells me "field not found".

Bye!

Barbuz

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No one alive is beyond hope; every second of life is a chance.
(08/29/02)


Re: JAWS Skype script revision 220 released, to fix issues in Skype 8.82

Alan Conway
 

Thanks Doug,

I just downloaded the revised scripts and installed them.

Thanks very much for all you do to keep the scripts updated!

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: March 27, 2022 8:15 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] JAWS Skype script revision 220 released, to fix
issues in Skype 8.82

As I mentioned in another thread on this list, Skype version 8.82 came out
on Friday or so and broke a few things in my scripts. Notable among these
was the typing indicator sound, which began playing constantly in all chat
windows. I released a temporary fix yesterday (Saturday) but now have a full
release for everyone.

Go to https://www.dlee.org/skype/#hist to read the release notes. The
download link, as usual, is on the same page. Note that this update should
only be used if you are running Skype 8.82 or later. Running this updated
script revision with an older Skype version is likely to cause a few things
not to work as expected.

One extra bit of good news: A few of you a while back reported that Alt+1
did not work to move to the Conversations list when a group chat was in
focus. This is because Alt+1 is a native Skype keystroke and it did not work
in that particular circumstance. In this revision 220 of the scripts, I
finally scripted around this so it does work in that case.

Happy Skyping.

--
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Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon


Re: JAWS Skype script revision 220 released, to fix issues in Skype 8.82

Michele Barbi
 

Thanks for your answer Doug, I'll think about that string translation...

Bye!

Barbuz

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Re: JAWS Skype script revision 220 released, to fix issues in Skype 8.82

Doug Lee
 

You will probably need to translate the scConvList constant in the XML file to avoid that message. The command
still works because it will simulate the native Alt+1 command when it can't find the field.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 03:08:17PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hi Doug, thanks for the report about new revision of the Skype scripts which I
just installed, and also for the answer on the other thread about Windows
defender. The alt+1 fix that you made is actually causing a strange situation
with this command when using revision 220: even if the conversations list pops
up normally, it tells me "field not found".

Bye!

Barbuz

--
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"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami


Re: JAWS Skype script revision 220 released, to fix issues in Skype 8.82

Kimmie
 

Oh well here was me blaming my computer for that constant typing noise.
Thanks Doug.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 1:15 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] JAWS Skype script revision 220 released, to fix
issues
in Skype 8.82

As I mentioned in another thread on this list, Skype version 8.82 came out
on
Friday or so and broke a few
things in my scripts. Notable among these was the typing indicator sound,
which began playing constantly in
all chat windows. I released a temporary fix yesterday (Saturday) but now
have a full release for everyone.

Go to https://www.dlee.org/skype/#hist to read the release notes. The
download link, as usual, is on the same
page. Note that this update should only be used if you are running Skype
8.82 or later. Running this updated
script revision with an older Skype version is likely to cause a few
things not
to work as expected.

One extra bit of good news: A few of you a while back reported that Alt+1
did not work to move to the
Conversations list when a group chat was in focus. This is because Alt+1
is a
native Skype keystroke and it
did not work in that particular circumstance. In this revision 220 of the
scripts,
I finally scripted around
this so it does work in that case.

Happy Skyping.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon



Re: JAWS Skype script revision 220 released, to fix issues in Skype 8.82

Michele Barbi
 

Hi Doug, thanks for the report about new revision of the Skype scripts which I just installed, and also for the answer on the other thread about Windows defender. The alt+1 fix that you made is actually causing a strange situation with this command when using revision 220: even if the conversations list pops up normally, it tells me "field not found".

Bye!

Barbuz

--
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Re: new version trouble

Doug Lee
 

The Windows Defender issue is common because Windows Defender keeps track of which files are known versus
unknown, and of course a brand new file will not be known right away. Every time I update scripts, even though
I keep using the same file name, the file is considered "new" by Defender because it is changed.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 12:27:07AM +0100, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hi guys,

Doug, thanks for that, I downloaded revision 217from the link you gave us. I
had once again the issue about Windows Defender smart screen when launching
the file, so I needed to press further information link and then Run anyway
button.

Sarah, I am actually not sure. I always use split view mode and I had issues
also in the past where typing indicators weren't working properly, or should I
say weren't working at all, but I don't know if this has to do with the Skype
language which is italian or with split view. That is why I asked Gary if he
enabled it or not.

Bye!

Barbuz

--
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"There are no guarantees. From a standpoint of fear, none are
strong enough. From a standpoint of love, none are necessary."
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JAWS Skype script revision 220 released, to fix issues in Skype 8.82

Doug Lee
 

As I mentioned in another thread on this list, Skype version 8.82 came out on Friday or so and broke a few
things in my scripts. Notable among these was the typing indicator sound, which began playing constantly in
all chat windows. I released a temporary fix yesterday (Saturday) but now have a full release for everyone.

Go to https://www.dlee.org/skype/#hist to read the release notes. The download link, as usual, is on the same
page. Note that this update should only be used if you are running Skype 8.82 or later. Running this updated
script revision with an older Skype version is likely to cause a few things not to work as expected.

One extra bit of good news: A few of you a while back reported that Alt+1 did not work to move to the
Conversations list when a group chat was in focus. This is because Alt+1 is a native Skype keystroke and it
did not work in that particular circumstance. In this revision 220 of the scripts, I finally scripted around
this so it does work in that case.

Happy Skyping.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon


Re: new version trouble

Tali Sarnetzky
 

Hi everyone.

The constant typing thing can be fixed in the verbosity dialog. Insert
plus V, then down to Typing and uncheck the checkbox.

On 3/27/22, Michele Barbi <barbi.michele@...> wrote:
Gary, it is actually not documented yet, but in the meantime go here:
https://www.dlee.org/updates/jfw_skype.exe

Bye!

Barbuz

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Re: new version trouble

Michele Barbi
 

Gary, it is actually not documented yet, but in the meantime go here: https://www.dlee.org/updates/jfw_skype.exe

Bye!

Barbuz

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