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Re: Scripts downloaded

Michele Barbi
 

Hi Mich,

now that I figure out you're running such old versions of JAWS, such as 18 and 2018, right?

I think you also need to install scripts load manager then, which is necessary to make Skype scripts load properly under JAWS version below than the august 2019 update for JFW 2019. Here it's the direct link for this package: http://www.dlee.org/slman/jfw_slman.exe

For the 1 number that you hear, if you don't find any chat message try to focus the notification panel, hotkey should be ctrl+i if I am not wrong.

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Re: Scripts downloaded

Jerry Pryde
 

Thanks billions Doug.
I enabled Windows Defender immediately after the download was completed.

On 2020-06-30 2:18 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






Re: Scripts downloaded

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Doug. Often using speech with Microsoft Edge and Firefox, trying to find
the Download Anyway button and bypass the warning is almost impossible. The
only recourse we sometimes have is to disable the protective software. My
antivirus will alert me most of the time if there is a real threat, and I
don't want layers of warnings that I have to consistently defeat.

Bill White
billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:18 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and
possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is
a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making
you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're
seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern
protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you
sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do
with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this
sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective
software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being
downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message
is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply
is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We
may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome
corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable
issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I
mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called
heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous
in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat
any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software
applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer
System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that
contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate
response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in
order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular
scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is
notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking
designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on
whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I
don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter
my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help
reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also
happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I
have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first
the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic
algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for
any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over
technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate
timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows
defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)


Re: Scripts downloaded

Mich Verrier
 

Hi again Dug I did un load and re load jaws and when I hit incert q all jaws says is google crome settings are loaded the application that is running is skype then it spells it out but I hear no number or anything. Also it says I have 1 un red message but I hve no un red messages so I am not shure if that is a bug or not. Hth. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: June 30, 2020 3:24 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

That message is in my first category; it shows up when the download is not known by sites that rate downloads by perceived safety. Simply put, it was a new script release; so it was not "commonly downloaded" yet. :-)

And you probably do need to restart JAWS to get the scripts to load. That's a JAWS bug I should report, if I haven't already; it's been around for quite a while by now.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:34:42PM -0400, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts
I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may
harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I
hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when
running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is
skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to
see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number
that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and
possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is
a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making
you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're
seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern
protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you
sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do
with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this
sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective
software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being
downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message
is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply
is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We
may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome
corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable
issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I
mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called
heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous
in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat
any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software
applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer
System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that
contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate
response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in
order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular
scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is
notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking
designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on
whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I
don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter
my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help
reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also
happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I
have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first
the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic
algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for
any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over
technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate
timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.� Turning off windows
defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)







--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon


Re: Scripts downloaded

Doug Lee
 

That message is in my first category; it shows up when the download is not known by sites that rate downloads by perceived safety. Simply put, it was a new script release; so it was not "commonly downloaded" yet. :-)

And you probably do need to restart JAWS to get the scripts to load. That's a JAWS bug I should report, if I haven't already; it's been around for quite a while by now.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:34:42PM -0400, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts
I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may
harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I
hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when
running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is
skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to
see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number
that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and
possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is
a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making
you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're
seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern
protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you
sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do
with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this
sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective
software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being
downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message
is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply
is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We
may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome
corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable
issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I
mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called
heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous
in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat
any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software
applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer
System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that
contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate
response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in
order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular
scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is
notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking
designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on
whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I
don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter
my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help
reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also
happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I
have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first
the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic
algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for
any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over
technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate
timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows
defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)







--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon


Re: Scripts downloaded

Michele Barbi
 

Effectively on my hand Windows defender is actually complaining, though I didn’t have issues in downloading the scripts, I think it’s because I don’t use Internet Explorer but I passed to Google Chrome. What I get though is a warning from Smart Screen as soon as I try to launch the executable. If that happens for someone else, do the following:
1. press tab till you find “further information” link, and activate it, but be careful because since some tests I run you need to use spacebar and not enter, even if it’s recognized as a link;
2. use tab again till you find “run anyway” button, and press space to activate it.
Now you authorized to run this file and you’ll get the main installer page; you will get a warning if you want to uninstall older scripts if you already have them, this is normal and harmless.
Bye!
Barbuz


Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Michele Barbi
 

Hi all, thanks for your responses. I then figured out why it is doing that, I was using Skype 8 for Windows desktop, formerly Skype electron, and not the Windows store one. Thanks Bill for sending this table.
Bye!
Barbuz


Re: Scripts downloaded

Mich Verrier
 

Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts
I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may
harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I
hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when
running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is
skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to
see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number
that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and
possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is
a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making
you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're
seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern
protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you
sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do
with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this
sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective
software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being
downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message
is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply
is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We
may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome
corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable
issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I
mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called
heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous
in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat
any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software
applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer
System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that
contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate
response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in
order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular
scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is
notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking
designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on
whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I
don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter
my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help
reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also
happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I
have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first
the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic
algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for
any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over
technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate
timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows
defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)


Re: Scripts downloaded

Doug Lee
 

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue.

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order:

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows defender
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.






--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)


Scripts downloaded

Jerry Pryde
 

Hi all.


I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.


Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Jerry Pryde
 

Hi.

I'm having trouble downloading the scripts.

I get a message saying this software might harm my computer, and I'm trying to find the button that says run anyway.

On 2020-06-30 11:44 a.m., Doug Lee wrote:
Yes, the subject says "six issues." Read release notes at http://www.dlee.org/skype#hist and download scripts from the download link earlier in that same document.

The main issue fixed here is of course the repeating "Skype" issue when you Alt+Tab into Skype. Curiously, that issue (as I said here last night) actually resulted from my rename of the script files; but I fixed it without
changing file names again. Other issues are documented in the release notes.

Installation: If you did not install revision 173, follow the directions on that web page for installing 173 when you install revision 174.
If you did install revision 173, just run the 174 installer and let it handle the details.

Finally, an apology: As I mentioned yesterday on this list, I did notice the repetition yesterday morning while starting this update. However, repetition does not usually bother me to the extent that incorrect or missing
information does; I guess I'm sort of used to tuning it out. As a result, the issue did not register on my radar as sufficient to stop the release; and amid all the details of updating JAWS scripts, NVDA add-on code,
documentation, mailing lists, Twitter, Telegram, etc., I rather forgot about the issue until Gary mentioned it here. I have since noticed that a number of folk are severely bothered by repetitions of this sort.


Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Michele and list.

 

What is the latest version of Skype on each platform? | Skype Support

Latest versions

Android Phone and tablet 

Skype for Android 6.0+ version 8.61.0.96

Skype for Android 4.0.4 to 5.1 version 8.15.0.430

Skype Lite version 1.84.0.1

iPad

Skype for iPad 8.61.0.99

iPhone

Skype for iPhone version 8.61.0.99

iPod touch

Skype 8.61.0.99

Mac

Skype for Mac (OS 10.10 and higher) version 8.61.0.95

Skype for Mac (OS 10.9) version 8.49.0.49

Linux

Skype for Linux version 8.61.0.95

Windows

Skype for Windows Desktop version 8.61.0.87

Windows 10

Skype for Windows 10 (version 15) 8.61.0.100/15.61.100.0

Amazon Kindle Fire HD/HDX

Skype for Amazon Kindle Fire HD/HDX version 8.15.0.419

Amazon Fire HD Tablet

Skype for Amazon Fire HD tablet version 8.15.0.419

Windows 10 Mobile

Skype 12.1815.210.0 for Windows 10

Xbox One

Skype for Xbox One version 12.1815.210.107

 

What is the latest version of Skype on each platform

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michele Barbi
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:12 AM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

 

Hello Doug, thanks for letting us know, going to upgrade scripts once again.

One question though: you wrote that it's tested under application version 8.61.100, though in my case it's 87 instead of 100. Do you still encounter some issues with hotkeys such as ctrl+shift+p or alt+numbers? If not, where can I find build 100 of skype?

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Doug Lee
 

I doubt that last number means much to us, but that of course depends on the specific company/product etc. I don't know how to find specific builds by number nowadays.

I haven't tried Ctrl+Shift+P since updating things, but Alt+numbers seem to work fine here.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:11:55PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hello Doug, thanks for letting us know, going to upgrade scripts once
again.

One question though: you wrote that it's tested under application
version 8.61.100, though in my case it's 87 instead of 100. Do you
still encounter some issues with hotkeys such as ctrl+shift+p or
alt+numbers? If not, where can I find build 100 of skype?

Bye!

Barbuz

--
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10



References

1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4519
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
3. mailto:barbi.michele@gmail.com?subject=Private: Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
4. https://groups.io/mt/75216041/409874
5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't.
(02/05/2010)


Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Michele Barbi
 

Hello Doug, thanks for letting us know, going to upgrade scripts once again.

One question though: you wrote that it's tested under application version 8.61.100, though in my case it's 87 instead of 100. Do you still encounter some issues with hotkeys such as ctrl+shift+p or alt+numbers? If not, where can I find build 100 of skype?

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues

Doug Lee
 

Yes, the subject says "six issues." Read release notes at http://www.dlee.org/skype#hist and download scripts from the download link earlier in that same document.

The main issue fixed here is of course the repeating "Skype" issue when you Alt+Tab into Skype. Curiously, that issue (as I said here last night) actually resulted from my rename of the script files; but I fixed it without
changing file names again. Other issues are documented in the release notes.

Installation: If you did not install revision 173, follow the directions on that web page for installing 173 when you install revision 174.
If you did install revision 173, just run the 174 installer and let it handle the details.

Finally, an apology: As I mentioned yesterday on this list, I did notice the repetition yesterday morning while starting this update. However, repetition does not usually bother me to the extent that incorrect or missing
information does; I guess I'm sort of used to tuning it out. As a result, the issue did not register on my radar as sufficient to stop the release; and amid all the details of updating JAWS scripts, NVDA add-on code,
documentation, mailing lists, Twitter, Telegram, etc., I rather forgot about the issue until Gary mentioned it here. I have since noticed that a number of folk are severely bothered by repetitions of this sort.

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I am a leader by default, only because nature does not allow a vacuum."
Bishop Desmond Tutu


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Gary Jackson
 

Doug,


I knew as soon as  you could duplicate it you would have a diagnosis. You never have let grass grow under  your feet. smile


Gary

On 6/30/2020 2:49 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
By now I have a diagnosis but not a solution. Short version: The problem resulted from my renaming skypeelectron.jsb to skype.jsb for some reason. If I rename it back and change ConfigNames.ini accordingly, the problem
goes away.

Longer explanation: JAWS normally reads the names of the various controls that contain the focused control when you Alt+Tab into an application. Skype has no less than three container controls named Skype. The repetitions
are just JAWS dutifully reading them all one at a time.

The JAWS scripts for Skype that come with JAWS include code to avoid much of this repetition. My scripts also include code to avoid it, but it's not the same code. In current Skype versions, the JAWS code works better than mine.

I believe that, when the files were named skypeelectron instead of just Skype, the JAWS scripts for Skype that came with JAWS briefly loaded before mine did. The result was that the JAWS code fixed the repetition problem
during the very brief moment it was running. Of course I didn't know this was happening, so I assumed my method of fixing the problem was still working.
I could be wrong about the stock scripts briefly running, but it explains why things work if I rename my scripts again.

I will need to update how I handle the repetition when it is caused by JAWS reading legitimate control names on Skype focus.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 09:16:57AM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out
that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially
with alt+tab.

Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message.

Bye!

Barbuz
--
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


References

1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4514
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating
3. mailto:barbi.michele@gmail.com?subject=Private: Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating
4. https://groups.io/mt/75208273/409874
5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Gary Jackson
 

Hello Barbuz,


I'm sure you're right about the number 1. For some time mine says 1 new notification when I first load skype. Just haven't been too concerned with it, lol.


Gary


On 6/30/2020 2:16 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:

Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially with alt+tab.

Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message.

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Doug Lee
 

By now I have a diagnosis but not a solution. Short version: The problem resulted from my renaming skypeelectron.jsb to skype.jsb for some reason. If I rename it back and change ConfigNames.ini accordingly, the problem
goes away.

Longer explanation: JAWS normally reads the names of the various controls that contain the focused control when you Alt+Tab into an application. Skype has no less than three container controls named Skype. The repetitions
are just JAWS dutifully reading them all one at a time.

The JAWS scripts for Skype that come with JAWS include code to avoid much of this repetition. My scripts also include code to avoid it, but it's not the same code. In current Skype versions, the JAWS code works better than mine.

I believe that, when the files were named skypeelectron instead of just Skype, the JAWS scripts for Skype that came with JAWS briefly loaded before mine did. The result was that the JAWS code fixed the repetition problem
during the very brief moment it was running. Of course I didn't know this was happening, so I assumed my method of fixing the problem was still working.
I could be wrong about the stock scripts briefly running, but it explains why things work if I rename my scripts again.

I will need to update how I handle the repetition when it is caused by JAWS reading legitimate control names on Skype focus.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 09:16:57AM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out
that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially
with alt+tab.

Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message.

Bye!

Barbuz
--
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10



References

1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4514
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating
3. mailto:barbi.michele@gmail.com?subject=Private: Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating
4. https://groups.io/mt/75208273/409874
5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Pray devoutly, but hammer stoutly."
--Sir William G. Benham


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Michele Barbi
 

Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially with alt+tab.

Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message.

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Re: Doug's new scripts repeating

Gary Jackson
 

Doug,


I just uninstalled 173 and re-installed 162. Sure something going on there.


Gary

On 6/30/2020 12:53 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
I get a couple of repeats when Skype takes focus, one of which includes the word "page"; but I have not yet tackled that one. When I noticed it this morning, actually before I made any script changes I think, I figured something
changed in Skype 8.61 that I hadn't noticed before.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:56:57PM -0500, Gary Jackson wrote:
All,


I'm using skype desktop/ electron version 8.6.1 with revision 173 scripts.
this is with jaws 2020 and 2019. Now I'm getting a whole lot of  repeating.
Example. when I alt tab to the skype window I get, skype1, skype1, skype1,
skype1. Any ideas?


Gary

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