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Re: Scripts downloaded
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Doug. Often using speech with Microsoft Edge and Firefox, trying to find
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the Download Anyway button and bypass the warning is almost impossible. The only recourse we sometimes have is to disable the protective software. My antivirus will alert me most of the time if there is a real threat, and I don't want layers of warnings that I have to consistently defeat. Bill White billwhite92701@...
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From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:18 AM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote: Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010)
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Re: Scripts downloaded
Mich Verrier
Hi again Dug I did un load and re load jaws and when I hit incert q all jaws says is google crome settings are loaded the application that is running is skype then it spells it out but I hear no number or anything. Also it says I have 1 un red message but I hve no un red messages so I am not shure if that is a bug or not. Hth. From Mich.
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From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: June 30, 2020 3:24 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded That message is in my first category; it shows up when the download is not known by sites that rate downloads by perceived safety. Simply put, it was a new script release; so it was not "commonly downloaded" yet. :-) And you probably do need to restart JAWS to get the scripts to load. That's a JAWS bug I should report, if I haven't already; it's been around for quite a while by now. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:34:42PM -0400, Mich Verrier wrote: Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich. -----Original Message----- From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote: Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.� Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010) -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled. --anon
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Re: Scripts downloaded
Doug Lee
That message is in my first category; it shows up when the download is not known by sites that rate downloads by perceived safety. Simply put, it was a new script release; so it was not "commonly downloaded" yet. :-)
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And you probably do need to restart JAWS to get the scripts to load. That's a JAWS bug I should report, if I haven't already; it's been around for quite a while by now.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:34:42PM -0400, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich. -----Original Message----- From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote: Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010) -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled. --anon
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Re: Scripts downloaded
Michele Barbi
Effectively on my hand Windows defender is actually complaining, though I didn’t have issues in downloading the scripts, I think it’s because I don’t use Internet Explorer but I passed to Google Chrome. What I get though is a warning from Smart Screen as soon as I try to launch the executable. If that happens for someone else, do the following:
1. press tab till you find “further information” link, and activate it, but be careful because since some tests I run you need to use spacebar and not enter, even if it’s recognized as a link; 2. use tab again till you find “run anyway” button, and press space to activate it. Now you authorized to run this file and you’ll get the main installer page; you will get a warning if you want to uninstall older scripts if you already have them, this is normal and harmless. Bye! Barbuz
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Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
Michele Barbi
Hi all, thanks for your responses. I then figured out why it is doing that, I was using Skype 8 for Windows desktop, formerly Skype electron, and not the Windows store one. Thanks Bill for sending this table.
Bye! Barbuz
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Re: Scripts downloaded
Mich Verrier
Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts
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I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich.
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From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote: Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010)
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Re: Scripts downloaded
Doug Lee
I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
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don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on how to handle each type. There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern protective software. From least to most severe: 1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable issue. 2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I think, messages like this from at least three different protective software applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in order: A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking designations of a threat that is suspected or detected. B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter my NSIS version to fix messages like this. C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also happened during the NSIS reversion incident. 3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all. I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010)
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Scripts downloaded
Jerry Pryde
Hi all.
I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded. Turning off windows defender in internet explorer did it. Disregard my last email, please. It says revision 174, so all is well.
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Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
Jerry Pryde
Hi.
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I'm having trouble downloading the scripts. I get a message saying this software might harm my computer, and I'm trying to find the button that says run anyway.
On 2020-06-30 11:44 a.m., Doug Lee wrote:
Yes, the subject says "six issues." Read release notes at http://www.dlee.org/skype#hist and download scripts from the download link earlier in that same document.
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Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Michele and list.
What is the latest version of Skype on each platform? | Skype Support Latest versions Android Phone and tablet Skype for Android 6.0+ version 8.61.0.96 Skype for Android 4.0.4 to 5.1 version 8.15.0.430 Skype Lite version 1.84.0.1 iPad Skype for iPad 8.61.0.99 iPhone Skype for iPhone version 8.61.0.99 iPod touch Skype 8.61.0.99 Mac Skype for Mac (OS 10.10 and higher) version 8.61.0.95 Skype for Mac (OS 10.9) version 8.49.0.49 Linux Skype for Linux version 8.61.0.95 Windows Skype for Windows Desktop version 8.61.0.87 Windows 10 Skype for Windows 10 (version 15) 8.61.0.100/15.61.100.0 Amazon Kindle Fire HD/HDX Skype for Amazon Kindle Fire HD/HDX version 8.15.0.419 Amazon Fire HD Tablet Skype for Amazon Fire HD tablet version 8.15.0.419 Windows 10 Mobile Skype 12.1815.210.0 for Windows 10 Xbox One Skype for Xbox One version 12.1815.210.107
What is the latest version of Skype on each platform
Bill White billwhite92701@...
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michele Barbi
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:12 AM To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
Hello Doug, thanks for letting us know, going to upgrade scripts once again. One question though: you wrote that it's tested under application version 8.61.100, though in my case it's 87 instead of 100. Do you still encounter some issues with hotkeys such as ctrl+shift+p or alt+numbers? If not, where can I find build 100 of skype? Bye! Barbuz -- Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10
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Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
Doug Lee
I doubt that last number means much to us, but that of course depends on the specific company/product etc. I don't know how to find specific builds by number nowadays.
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I haven't tried Ctrl+Shift+P since updating things, but Alt+numbers seem to work fine here.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 06:11:55PM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hello Doug, thanks for letting us know, going to upgrade scripts once again. One question though: you wrote that it's tested under application version 8.61.100, though in my case it's 87 instead of 100. Do you still encounter some issues with hotkeys such as ctrl+shift+p or alt+numbers? If not, where can I find build 100 of skype? Bye! Barbuz -- Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10 References 1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4519 2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues 3. mailto:barbi.michele@...?subject=Private: Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues 4. https://groups.io/mt/75216041/409874 5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post 6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874 8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io 9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com Time is the friend of one who is true, and the enemy of one who isn't. (02/05/2010)
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Re: Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
Michele Barbi
Hello Doug, thanks for letting us know, going to upgrade scripts once again. One question though: you wrote that it's tested under application version 8.61.100, though in my case it's 87 instead of 100. Do you still encounter some issues with hotkeys such as ctrl+shift+p or alt+numbers? If not, where can I find build 100 of skype? Bye! Barbuz -- Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10
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Revision 174 of JAWS Skype scripts released, to address six issues
Doug Lee
Yes, the subject says "six issues." Read release notes at http://www.dlee.org/skype#hist and download scripts from the download link earlier in that same document.
The main issue fixed here is of course the repeating "Skype" issue when you Alt+Tab into Skype. Curiously, that issue (as I said here last night) actually resulted from my rename of the script files; but I fixed it without changing file names again. Other issues are documented in the release notes. Installation: If you did not install revision 173, follow the directions on that web page for installing 173 when you install revision 174. If you did install revision 173, just run the 174 installer and let it handle the details. Finally, an apology: As I mentioned yesterday on this list, I did notice the repetition yesterday morning while starting this update. However, repetition does not usually bother me to the extent that incorrect or missing information does; I guess I'm sort of used to tuning it out. As a result, the issue did not register on my radar as sufficient to stop the release; and amid all the details of updating JAWS scripts, NVDA add-on code, documentation, mailing lists, Twitter, Telegram, etc., I rather forgot about the issue until Gary mentioned it here. I have since noticed that a number of folk are severely bothered by repetitions of this sort. -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "I am a leader by default, only because nature does not allow a vacuum." Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Re: Doug's new scripts repeating
Gary Jackson
Doug,
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I knew as soon as you could duplicate it you would have a diagnosis. You never have let grass grow under your feet. smile Gary
On 6/30/2020 2:49 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
By now I have a diagnosis but not a solution. Short version: The problem resulted from my renaming skypeelectron.jsb to skype.jsb for some reason. If I rename it back and change ConfigNames.ini accordingly, the problem
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Re: Doug's new scripts repeating
Gary Jackson
Hello Barbuz,
I'm sure you're right about the number 1. For some time mine says 1 new notification when I first load skype. Just haven't been too concerned with it, lol.
Gary
On 6/30/2020 2:16 AM, Michele Barbi
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Re: Doug's new scripts repeating
Doug Lee
By now I have a diagnosis but not a solution. Short version: The problem resulted from my renaming skypeelectron.jsb to skype.jsb for some reason. If I rename it back and change ConfigNames.ini accordingly, the problem
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goes away. Longer explanation: JAWS normally reads the names of the various controls that contain the focused control when you Alt+Tab into an application. Skype has no less than three container controls named Skype. The repetitions are just JAWS dutifully reading them all one at a time. The JAWS scripts for Skype that come with JAWS include code to avoid much of this repetition. My scripts also include code to avoid it, but it's not the same code. In current Skype versions, the JAWS code works better than mine. I believe that, when the files were named skypeelectron instead of just Skype, the JAWS scripts for Skype that came with JAWS briefly loaded before mine did. The result was that the JAWS code fixed the repetition problem during the very brief moment it was running. Of course I didn't know this was happening, so I assumed my method of fixing the problem was still working. I could be wrong about the stock scripts briefly running, but it explains why things work if I rename my scripts again. I will need to update how I handle the repetition when it is caused by JAWS reading legitimate control names on Skype focus.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 09:16:57AM +0200, Michele Barbi wrote:
Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially with alt+tab. Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message. Bye! Barbuz -- Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10 References 1. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4514 2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating 3. mailto:barbi.michele@...?subject=Private: Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Doug's new scripts repeating 4. https://groups.io/mt/75208273/409874 5. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post 6. http://www.dlee.org/skype/ 7. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874 8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io 9. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "Pray devoutly, but hammer stoutly." --Sir William G. Benham
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Re: Doug's new scripts repeating
Michele Barbi
Effectively, I also put scripts for Skype revision 173 and figured out that it repeats Skype four or five times when I go there especially with alt+tab. Gary, I think number 1 means that you have an unread chat message. Bye! Barbuz -- Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10
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Re: Doug's new scripts repeating
Gary Jackson
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I just uninstalled 173 and re-installed 162. Sure something going on there. Gary
On 6/30/2020 12:53 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
I get a couple of repeats when Skype takes focus, one of which includes the word "page"; but I have not yet tackled that one. When I noticed it this morning, actually before I made any script changes I think, I figured something
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Re: Doug's new scripts repeating
Doug Lee
I get a couple of repeats when Skype takes focus, one of which includes the word "page"; but I have not yet tackled that one. When I noticed it this morning, actually before I made any script changes I think, I figured something
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changed in Skype 8.61 that I hadn't noticed before.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:56:57PM -0500, Gary Jackson wrote:
All, I'm using skype desktop/ electron version 8.6.1 with revision 173 scripts. this is with jaws 2020 and 2019. Now I'm getting a whole lot of repeating. Example. when I alt tab to the skype window I get, skype1, skype1, skype1, skype1. Any ideas? Gary -- Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm.... that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov
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Doug's new scripts repeating
Gary Jackson
All,
I'm using skype desktop/ electron version 8.6.1 with revision 173 scripts. this is with jaws 2020 and 2019. Now I'm getting a whole lot of repeating. Example. when I alt tab to the skype window I get, skype1, skype1, skype1, skype1. Any ideas? Gary
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