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Re: NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Doug Lee
 

I would not put the uninstaller in both the Start menu and Programs and Features at the same time, but I would listen if anyone has a compelling reason that I should change from using the Start menu to using Programs and
Features. Installers will continue to run without requiring admin rights in any case; that helps in some professional settings I encounter. Whatever I do needs to work across a fair number of Windows versions as well.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 08:25:08AM +0500, Hamza Ahmad wrote:
The uninstaller can be placed in programs and features because NSIS
builder supports reg query functions. As for placing an uninstaller
within JAWS menu or in the JAWS utility folder, it will require the
admin rights to work. In the common scripting elements section on Ddug
website states that all installer file do not require administrator
permission. It means that installers are specifically built for
current user.
We can request the author to include the installer in programs and
features list.
Best

On 6/30/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, John. You are way too logical for me. That's exactly where it is
located, in the Start menu. For some reason, I was thinking that the
uninstall option for the Skype Scripts was somewhere within the JAWS menus.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf
Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts.
It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as
I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the
fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical
to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them
manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the
old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will
not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for
Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing
for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue
being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have
pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they
live."
-- Nancy Moser


























--
Hamza Ahmad

I am What I know not Even.

Connect through:

· Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/hafiz.hamzaahmad.9>

· Mobile <+923054108223>

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--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov


Re: NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hamza Ahmad
 

The uninstaller can be placed in programs and features because NSIS
builder supports reg query functions. As for placing an uninstaller
within JAWS menu or in the JAWS utility folder, it will require the
admin rights to work. In the common scripting elements section on Ddug
website states that all installer file do not require administrator
permission. It means that installers are specifically built for
current user.
We can request the author to include the installer in programs and
features list.
Best

On 6/30/20, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:
Hi, John. You are way too logical for me. That's exactly where it is
located, in the Start menu. For some reason, I was thinking that the
uninstall option for the Skype Scripts was somewhere within the JAWS menus.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf
Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts.
It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re:
Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as
I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the
fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical
to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them
manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the
old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will
not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for
Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing
for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue
being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have
pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they
live."
-- Nancy Moser

























--
Hamza Ahmad

I am What I know not Even.

Connect through:

· Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/hafiz.hamzaahmad.9>

· Mobile <+923054108223>

· Twitter <https://twitter.com/sirhamzaahmad>

· LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamza-ahmad-9190a8175/>

· GitHub <https://github.com/literary-programmer>


Re: JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, John. To be able to download the JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows,

1. Open Microsoft Edge.
2. Press ALT.
3. Up Arrow to Settings and press ENTER.
4. In Settings, navigate to Privacy and Services, and press ENTER.
5. TAB to Microsoft Defender SmartScreen check box, and uncheck it. This
will stop the warnings about unsigned downloads.
6. Close Edge and relaunch.
7. Go to the following link, and download Skype Scripts For JAWS For
Windows,

http://www.dlee.org/skype/jfw_skype.exe

I hope this helps you with Edge and downloading the scripts.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

How do you download this with Microsoft Edge under Windows 7?
It says you are an unsigned publisher and I don't see a way to make the DL
happen anyway.
Thanks for all you do,
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in
an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for
reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all
references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct
link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this
update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of
scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the
installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not
try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL changes,
the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype
scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live."
-- Nancy Moser


Re: JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Doug Lee
 

Answering several messages at once:

Jerry: If you are running Skype UWP now, wait for that to update, or update it from the Microsoft Store, before installing the updated scripts. If you are using Skype for Windows Desktop now, you can update the scripts
immediately.

Octavian: Skype for Windows Desktop has not changed since 8.61; the Skype change is in Skype for Windows 10. The effects on Windows 7 users are these:

1. In the NVDA add-on, I fixed the review cursor in messages in message history.

2. In the JAWS scripts, file names changed, and there are other updates as listed in the release notes.

Bill and John: My script installers create an item under the Start menu rather than adding to Programs and Features so the installer will not require admin rights to run.

John: Sorry about being an unsigned publisher. I may change that someday, but that costs money and can be a hassle to set up. Browsers typically warn against Internet executable downloads but will permit you to run them
after you get past the warnings. I am not a regular Edge user though, so I don't have specific steps for you.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 03:23:00PM -0700, Bill White wrote:
You may need to unblock potentially unsafe downloads in Edge.

Use the following link to download the JAWS Scripts For Skype For Windows,

http://www.dlee.org/skype/jfw_skype.exe

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

How do you download this with Microsoft Edge under Windows 7?
It says you are an unsigned publisher and I don't see a way to make the DL
happen anyway.
Thanks for all you do,
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in
an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for
reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all
references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct
link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this
update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of
scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the
installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not
try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL changes,
the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype
scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live."
-- Nancy Moser













--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Is your cucumber bitter? Throw it away. Are there briars in your
path? Turn aside. That is enough. Do not go on to say, `Why were
things of this sort ever brought into the world?'"
--Marcus Aurelius


Re: JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Jerry Pryde
 

Should I download the scripts now, to make the changes in Skype for Windows smooth with the update when it comes?

Does it remove old scripts, and replace them as usual?

On 2020-06-29 2:29 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL
changes, the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10, formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp" on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.


Re: JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

You may need to unblock potentially unsafe downloads in Edge.

Use the following link to download the JAWS Scripts For Skype For Windows,

http://www.dlee.org/skype/jfw_skype.exe

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

How do you download this with Microsoft Edge under Windows 7?
It says you are an unsigned publisher and I don't see a way to make the DL
happen anyway.
Thanks for all you do,
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in
an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for
reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all
references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct
link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this
update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of
scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the
installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not
try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL changes,
the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype
scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live."
-- Nancy Moser


Re: NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, John. You are way too logical for me. That's exactly where it is
located, in the Start menu. For some reason, I was thinking that the
uninstall option for the Skype Scripts was somewhere within the JAWS menus.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:47 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts. It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live."
-- Nancy Moser


Re: NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

John Holcomb II
 

I'm surprised it wouldn't have been under a start menu folder with some
kind of shortcut pointing to the uninstaller file.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts. It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live."
-- Nancy Moser


Re: NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Doug. I finally found the uninstall option for the new Skype scripts. It
is in All Apps. It does not appear in either Programs and Features, or in
Apps and Features in Windows 10 Settings.

Thank you.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:14 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype
is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer
I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause
problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how
they live." -- Nancy Moser


Re: JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

John Holcomb II
 

How do you download this with Microsoft Edge under Windows 7?
It says you are an unsigned publisher and I don't see a way to make the DL
happen anyway.
Thanks for all you do,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in
an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for
reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all
references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct
link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this
update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of
scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the
installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not
try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL changes,
the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype
scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the
installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not
cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to
release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how they live."
-- Nancy Moser


Re: NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Doug. In JAWS, What is the best way of uninstalling the old version of
the scripts for Skype if one does not have a current copy of the new
scripts? I thought there used to be an uninstall option somewhere within
JAWS, or within Programs and Features in Windows 10. I don't seem to find
that option now. Is there a way to uninstall the scripts without using a
version of the scripts themselves?

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:19 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: [skypeenglish] NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is
unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows
Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at
https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I
was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other
places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the
above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for
Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did
this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical
Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings
from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to
where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not
entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion
of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10,
formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to
our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will
happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these
sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove
them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an
Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their
names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp"
on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish
behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to
release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given
earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts
work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer
I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause
problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run
them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've
been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified
Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows
Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows
Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just
jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the
official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will
actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather
than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions
now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that
announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for
Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS
updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for
JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and
move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being
how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows
Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm
sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages
pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how
they live." -- Nancy Moser


Re: JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Octavian Rasnita
 

Hi Doug,

Is the upgrade necessary for Skype under Windows 7? Or, does it work under Windows 7?

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <main@skypeenglish.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 9:29 PM
Subject: [skypeenglish] JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)


I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL
changes, the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10, formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp" on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how
they live." -- Nancy Moser


NVDA Skype add-on update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Doug Lee
 

I have released version 2018.04.2 of the Skype add-on for NVDA, at https://www.dlee.org/skype/NVDA/skype.nvda-addon

Apologies for the funny version number btw; I just noticed it says 2018 as I was writing this announcement, and I already announced the update in other places.

Features:

URL change! The old skype/electron URL will still work for a while, but the above URL is the new location for this add-on.

Works with both Skype for Windows Desktop (Skype 8) and Skype UWP for Windows 10, which is now the same interface.

Fixes review cursor navigation in messages in a chat history list. I did this long ago, but it broke at some point.

A note that I also included when I announced the JAWS script update:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

Enjoy.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10, formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp" on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how
they live." -- Nancy Moser


JAWS script update released (was Re: Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.)

Doug Lee
 

I have released revision 173 of the JAWS scripts for Skype, as promised in an earlier message I sent here today. That message is quoted below for reference.

The new URL for JAWS Skype scripts is https://www.dlee.org/skype/

The "electron" part is removed, though for some time the old URL and all references thereunder will still work, via an HTTP redirect.

Please read the Revision History entry carefully for this release. A direct link is https://www.dlee.org/skype/skype.htm#hist

In particular, there are specific installation instructions there for this update, which is because this update effectively replaces two sets of scripts at once: scripts for Skype for Windows Desktop 8, and scripts for
Skype UWP for Windows 10.

Final notes of potential interest:

If you are migrating from Skype for Windows Desktop to the newly identical Skype for Windows 10, check your settings (Ctrl+Comma), because settings from one version may not be automatically applied to the other even though
the interfaces are the same. I recommend paying particular attention to where Skype says your audio will come from and go to.

If you use the BXUpdate feature of BX to update scripts, run through the installation instructions for this Skype script update for this one; do not try to use BX to update the scripts. That doesn't work when the URL
changes, the script name changes, and the scripts replace two different sets of Skype scripts at once. :-)

Happy Skyping to all! The NVDA part is still coming...

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Doug Lee wrote:
NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10, formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp" on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Characters live to be noticed. People with character notice how
they live." -- Nancy Moser


Skype is unified! Skype UWP for Windows 10 is now the same as Skype for Windows Desktop! Here's what will happen and what to do.

Doug Lee
 

NVDA users, there's something in here for you, too; this is mostly but not entirely for JAWS folk.

Someone with a nice actor voice should now mutter quietly, after the fashion of many movies, "I have waited a long time for this moment."

As was announced earlier on this list already, Skype for Windows 10, formerly a Universal Windows Platform (UWP) application, is now identical to our well-known Skype for Windows Desktop app. Finally, after years of
confusion, we have exactly one Skype for Windows again!

This message contains three sections: what you should do now, what will happen automatically, and what will happen to scripts. The final of these sections will also include my plans for NVDA support.

What you should do now:

If you have installed JAWS scripts for Skype UWP for Windows 10, remove them. If you used the script installer to install them, there will be an Uninstall entry in your Start menu for them. If you installed them manually,
remove files from your JAWS user folder that contain "skypeuwp" in their names, and then remove any ConfigNames.ini entries that mention "skypeuwp" on the right side of the = sign. I advise this because trying to use the old
Skype UWP scripts with the new Electron replacement will result in sluggish behavior.

If you want access to Skype for Windows 10 immediately, though I intend to release a script update for this later today, follow the advice given earlier on this list to make the current Skype for Windows Desktop scripts work
with Skype for Windows 10. Otherwise, wait a few hours and run the installer I plan to release soon. Manually updating ConfigNames.ini will not cause problems for you later when you run the new installer I am about to release.

What will happen automatically:

Along with your Microsoft store updates whenever they run (or when you run them), Skype for Windows 10 will quietly morph into the Electron app we've been using for years. Skype for Windows Desktop, if you have it installed,
will continue to work normally. The two should look and perform alike.

What will happen to scripts (and NVDA add-ons):

Later today, I plan to release a new set of scripts to cover the unified Skype. This will actually be the same code as was used for Skype for Windows Desktop. There are a few changes though:

1. The installer will change from "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows Desktop 8 (Electron)" to just "JAWS Scripts For Skype for Windows."

2. The installer's file name will change from jfw_skypeelectron.exe to just jfw_skype.exe.

3. The URL https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ will still work, but the official URL will now be https://www.dlee.org/skype/ and the scripts will actually reside there.

4. The names of files for the scripts will now include just "skype" rather than "skypeelectron." This is consistent with the file naming conventions now used by JAWS itself for Skype support.

5. I will send another announcement here when the release occurs, and that announcement will include further information on how to upgrade.

Regarding NVDA add-ons:

I have been for a long time hosting a small NVDA add-on for Skype for Windows Desktop at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

I intend to do the following for this add-on after releasing the JAWS updates:

1. Adjust any names to correspond to the Skype unification as I am doing for JAWS.

2. Create a folder for Skype NVDA support as I do for other projects, and move the add-on there.

3. Make the add-on support Skype for Windows 10 if possible, the issue being how to make the add-on load for it as it already does for Skype for Windows Desktop.

Again, I will make another announcement when I have more for NVDA. I'm sending this much information now though in case people out there have pages pointing directly to the add-on at its current location, which will go away
at some point.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon


Re: Skype Electron Replaces Universal App on the Store: the users need to make this change to continue using it

Hamza Ahmad
 

Hi Barbi,
Thanks for responding and sharing this useful link.
As for the developers of JAWS, likely they'll update the shared
.ini file in the next update. Those who have turn automatic update for
store applications to on will receive this update to skype. So, I
chose to post the workaround here.
When I received this update, it hanged my computer with old scripts.
When I made this change, it worked well. I've also messaged Dug
personally. I am sure he is aware of this change, and we'll soon
receive an announcement regarding this.
Best

On 6/29/20, Michele Barbi <barbi.michele@...> wrote:
Hello my fiend, thanks for telling us. I personally always used Skype
for Desktop and I am using Doug's scripts revision 162 for Skype
electron. I don't know which plans does he have for further scripts
distribution, possibly though VFO will make some changes in a future
JAWS update.

For further information on what Microsoft is actually doing, you can
read here:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34933/introducing-an-updated-enhanced-skype-for-windows-10

Bye!

Barbuz

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Re: Skype Electron Replaces Universal App on the Store: the users need to make this change to continue using it

Michele Barbi
 

Hello my fiend, thanks for telling us. I personally always used Skype for Desktop and I am using Doug's scripts revision 162 for Skype electron. I don't know which plans does he have for further scripts distribution, possibly though VFO will make some changes in a future JAWS update.

For further information on what Microsoft is actually doing, you can read here: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34933/introducing-an-updated-enhanced-skype-for-windows-10

Bye!

Barbuz

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Skype Electron Replaces Universal App on the Store: the users need to make this change to continue using it

Hamza Ahmad
 

Hello respected members on skype mailing list,

I’ve come up with good news that will affect skype universal app users and surprise electron users on the other. Since skype 8.61, Microsoft officially replaces their universal app with the Chromium based version of skype. From now on, there will be single version of skype available to both store and regular users of skype.

Those who use skype electron can continue using it. However, those who rely on universal app may need to update their config names.ini file available in the explore my settings folder i.e. the user settings directory. I hope the author will soon commit this change, and all users of skype electron and skype UWP will receive same scripts for their applications.

Till then, I am going to describe the way how people can make this change and continue their experience.

First you need to go to JAWS user settings directory.

To do so, open jaws window jaws key + j.

Go to utilities and click “explore utilities folder”; you can press letter x to directly open utilities folder.

The utilities folder will open in file explorer.

Press letter e till you find an item with the name of “explore my settings”.

Press enter on it.

When it opens, type letter c till you find a file with the name of “ConfigNames.INI”.

Press enter on it; it will open in notepad.

Keep arrowing down till you find this line “Microsoft.SkypeApp!App=skypeuwp”.

Type home key to go to the start of the line.

Press semicolon to comment the current entry. Now, hold the shift key and keep pressing right arrow.

When JAWS announce ‘equals’, leave the shift key and press control + c to copy the selected or highlighted text.

Type end key to go to the end of the line. Press enter there. Now, paste the text that you just copied earlier.

Now, find another line that says “Skype:8=skypeelectron”.

Copy the text after equals sign and return to the line where you pasted some text before. Press end key to go to the end of the line and press control + v to paste. Now, press control + s to save. Close notepad, and other two windows of file explorer that you opened in the start. Now, restart the JAWS application. Congress, you can now use electron version of skype from Microsoft store.


Re: virtual audio cable?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Sure. I set my default to let's say line to, or my skype to line two or what not, then have my devices listen to line two if that makes sense, It's a bit confusing but no need to use repeaters and the like. I have 3 cables that do things you would not think possible.

On 27 Jun 2020, at 10:47, ken lawrence via groups.io wrote:

Hi list ken here with a question.  A few days ago a friend of mine from out-of-sight radio asked about how to broadcast a phone caller on air a good example is when we have our special giveaways.  I was only aware of either using a mixer which I don’t have or using my microphone and speaker.  She mentioned a program I never heard of called virtual audio cable.  Does anyone know about this program and can it be used to connect skype calls to be broadcast over the air without using mic and speakers.  In other words does it take the place of an external mixer if as I do you use the mixer in station playlist.  That serves me fine. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


virtual audio cable?

ken lawrence
 

Hi list ken here with a question.  A few days ago a friend of mine from out-of-sight radio asked about how to broadcast a phone caller on air a good example is when we have our special giveaways.  I was only aware of either using a mixer which I don’t have or using my microphone and speaker.  She mentioned a program I never heard of called virtual audio cable.  Does anyone know about this program and can it be used to connect skype calls to be broadcast over the air without using mic and speakers.  In other words does it take the place of an external mixer if as I do you use the mixer in station playlist.  That serves me fine. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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