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Re: problems with version 8.59

Chela Robles
 

Well I only have one login credential set and it shows that I actually am logged in correctly it’s just not talking to me it says if my screen readers crash therefore I have been now using Skype for iPhone instead if I want to do Skype calls or chats until this gets fixed. And just so you guys know my thing auto updated before I could stop it. Before I was running I think version seven or 8.2 or something It was before 8.5 I know that for sure. And unfortunately I don’t have the executable to reinstall that version.

On Apr 20, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Michele Barbi <barbi.michele@gmail.com> wrote:

Guys I am afraid there are two different problems. I found out a similar issue to what Chela is saying, meaning a sort of memory leak, with a friend using NVDA. BTW, I think I posted here about this issue, but then he told me that it fixed by itself in a couple of days.

About incorrect sign ins instead, I sometimes had these kinds of issues, latest one I think it was yesterday or sunday night. I do my radio program Rock the weekend on a dominican webradio, and so when I am onair saturday and sunday night I sign in to the radio account, and then I'll go again in my personal one after program. Doing this, I sometimes write password incorrectly without realizing, so I cannot see contacts online; when I quit and restart Skype though, I foind the window with a button that says, for instance, "Sign in as Radio espacial", like it happened latest time. If I already did program and should go back to my personal account, I then use the "Sign in with another account" button and put my login data.

Bye!

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Re: problems with version 8.59

Michele Barbi
 

Guys I am afraid there are two different problems. I found out a similar issue to what Chela is saying, meaning a sort of memory leak, with a friend using NVDA. BTW, I think I posted here about this issue, but then he told me that it fixed by itself in a couple of days.

About incorrect sign ins instead, I sometimes had these kinds of issues, latest one I think it was yesterday or sunday night. I do my radio program Rock the weekend on a dominican webradio, and so when I am onair saturday and sunday night I sign in to the radio account, and then I'll go again in my personal one after program. Doing this, I sometimes write password incorrectly without realizing, so I cannot see contacts online; when I quit and restart Skype though, I foind the window with a button that says, for instance, "Sign in as Radio espacial", like it happened latest time. If I already did program and should go back to my personal account, I then use the "Sign in with another account" button and put my login data.

Bye!

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Re: problems with version 8.59

Chela Robles
 

I’m logged in successfully however it is still unresponsive. No matter what I do even the virtual cursor and jaws cursor aren’t responsive. It’s like JAWS locked up when starting skype no matter what I do, so I end up bringing up task manager close the app, still no go. :-(

On Apr 20, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Hamid <aitouznaghamid@gmail.com> wrote:

This happened to me in the past but I am not sure if it is relevant. Sometimes, toggling the virtual cursor on and off allows you to read text that is hidden in the beginning. Last month I signed out by accident and I struggled to remember my password. there was a message there in the page that asked me to update my e-mail retrieval details. I didn't notice it at first. I had to toggle the virtual cursor a couple of times and also alt tab away and back to Skype before I managed to read it.



Hamid

On 4/20/2020 2:43 PM, Stephen Troy wrote:
hi doug

thanks for the quick response.

nothing works to maximise/minimize.

however, not sure if chela is getting the same, when I press win b and
tap on notification button, it says skype minus signed out.

if I have the login details incorrect, which is highly unlikely as
I've never changed it, then skype isn't giving any notification at all
that the username or PW is incorrect or giving the option to try
again.

we simply have silence!!







On 20/04/2020, Doug Lee <dgl@dlee.org> wrote:
I'm not seeing Skype 8.59 in the Check for Updates for 8.58 yet, but I know
that a few people have grabbed it directly from the Skype website.

Try toggling the restored/maximized state of the window and let me know if
that helps. This is a test for an issue seen in Teams; I want to know if it
is starting to apply to other Electron apps.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:14:42PM +0100, Stephen Troy wrote:
hi doug and all

apologies for retracing recent steps but I i'm unable to find a
response to the below issue.

i'm running skype 8.59, script version 149, latest build of jaws and win10.

when skype is open, I get absolutely no response from anything,
including jaws, other than pressing the alt key and that only gives
me very limited access to the calls and view menus. oh, I can see quit
under the file option, so I guess i'm logged in!!

any advice is gratefully received

many thanks in advance

steve



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Re: problems with version 8.59

Hamid
 

This happened to me in the past but I am not sure if it is relevant. Sometimes, toggling the virtual cursor on and off allows you to read text that is hidden in the beginning. Last month I signed out by accident and I struggled to remember my password. there was a message there in the page that asked me to update my e-mail retrieval details. I didn't notice it at first. I had to toggle the virtual cursor a couple of times and also alt tab away and back to Skype before I managed to read it.



Hamid

On 4/20/2020 2:43 PM, Stephen Troy wrote:
hi doug

thanks for the quick response.

nothing works to maximise/minimize.

however, not sure if chela is getting the same, when I press win b and
tap on notification button, it says skype minus signed out.

if I have the login details incorrect, which is highly unlikely as
I've never changed it, then skype isn't giving any notification at all
that the username or PW is incorrect or giving the option to try
again.

we simply have silence!!







On 20/04/2020, Doug Lee <dgl@dlee.org> wrote:
I'm not seeing Skype 8.59 in the Check for Updates for 8.58 yet, but I know
that a few people have grabbed it directly from the Skype website.

Try toggling the restored/maximized state of the window and let me know if
that helps. This is a test for an issue seen in Teams; I want to know if it
is starting to apply to other Electron apps.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:14:42PM +0100, Stephen Troy wrote:
hi doug and all

apologies for retracing recent steps but I i'm unable to find a
response to the below issue.

i'm running skype 8.59, script version 149, latest build of jaws and win10.

when skype is open, I get absolutely no response from anything,
including jaws, other than pressing the alt key and that only gives
me very limited access to the calls and view menus. oh, I can see quit
under the file option, so I guess i'm logged in!!

any advice is gratefully received

many thanks in advance

steve



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Re: problems with version 8.59

Stephen Troy
 

hi doug

thanks for the quick response.

nothing works to maximise/minimize.

however, not sure if chela is getting the same, when I press win b and
tap on notification button, it says skype minus signed out.

if I have the login details incorrect, which is highly unlikely as
I've never changed it, then skype isn't giving any notification at all
that the username or PW is incorrect or giving the option to try
again.

we simply have silence!!

On 20/04/2020, Doug Lee <dgl@dlee.org> wrote:
I'm not seeing Skype 8.59 in the Check for Updates for 8.58 yet, but I know
that a few people have grabbed it directly from the Skype website.

Try toggling the restored/maximized state of the window and let me know if
that helps. This is a test for an issue seen in Teams; I want to know if it
is starting to apply to other Electron apps.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:14:42PM +0100, Stephen Troy wrote:
hi doug and all

apologies for retracing recent steps but I i'm unable to find a
response to the below issue.

i'm running skype 8.59, script version 149, latest build of jaws and win10.

when skype is open, I get absolutely no response from anything,
including jaws, other than pressing the alt key and that only gives
me very limited access to the calls and view menus. oh, I can see quit
under the file option, so I guess i'm logged in!!

any advice is gratefully received

many thanks in advance

steve



--
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Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
There is more freedom in knowing how to handle pain than in knowing
how to avoid it. (4/29/01)




Re: problems with version 8.59

Jerry Pryde
 

I'm still using Skype 8.5.8.0.98 with revision 137 with no problem.

On 2020-04-20 8:21 a.m., Chela Robles wrote:
I tried what you said Doug and no go. :-(
On Apr 20, 2020, at 4:47 AM, Doug Lee <dgl@dlee.org> wrote:

I'm not seeing Skype 8.59 in the Check for Updates for 8.58 yet, but I know that a few people have grabbed it directly from the Skype website.

Try toggling the restored/maximized state of the window and let me know if that helps. This is a test for an issue seen in Teams; I want to know if it is starting to apply to other Electron apps.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:14:42PM +0100, Stephen Troy wrote:
hi doug and all

apologies for retracing recent steps but I i'm unable to find a
response to the below issue.

i'm running skype 8.59, script version 149, latest build of jaws and win10.

when skype is open, I get absolutely no response from anything,
including jaws, other than pressing the alt key and that only gives
me very limited access to the calls and view menus. oh, I can see quit
under the file option, so I guess i'm logged in!!

any advice is gratefully received

many thanks in advance

steve



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Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
There is more freedom in knowing how to handle pain than in knowing
how to avoid it. (4/29/01)



Re: problems with version 8.59

Chela Robles
 

I tried what you said Doug and no go. :-(

On Apr 20, 2020, at 4:47 AM, Doug Lee <dgl@dlee.org> wrote:

I'm not seeing Skype 8.59 in the Check for Updates for 8.58 yet, but I know that a few people have grabbed it directly from the Skype website.

Try toggling the restored/maximized state of the window and let me know if that helps. This is a test for an issue seen in Teams; I want to know if it is starting to apply to other Electron apps.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:14:42PM +0100, Stephen Troy wrote:
hi doug and all

apologies for retracing recent steps but I i'm unable to find a
response to the below issue.

i'm running skype 8.59, script version 149, latest build of jaws and win10.

when skype is open, I get absolutely no response from anything,
including jaws, other than pressing the alt key and that only gives
me very limited access to the calls and view menus. oh, I can see quit
under the file option, so I guess i'm logged in!!

any advice is gratefully received

many thanks in advance

steve



--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
There is more freedom in knowing how to handle pain than in knowing
how to avoid it. (4/29/01)



Re: problems with version 8.59

Doug Lee
 

I'm not seeing Skype 8.59 in the Check for Updates for 8.58 yet, but I know that a few people have grabbed it directly from the Skype website.

Try toggling the restored/maximized state of the window and let me know if that helps. This is a test for an issue seen in Teams; I want to know if it is starting to apply to other Electron apps.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:14:42PM +0100, Stephen Troy wrote:
hi doug and all

apologies for retracing recent steps but I i'm unable to find a
response to the below issue.

i'm running skype 8.59, script version 149, latest build of jaws and win10.

when skype is open, I get absolutely no response from anything,
including jaws, other than pressing the alt key and that only gives
me very limited access to the calls and view menus. oh, I can see quit
under the file option, so I guess i'm logged in!!

any advice is gratefully received

many thanks in advance

steve



--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
There is more freedom in knowing how to handle pain than in knowing
how to avoid it. (4/29/01)


problems with version 8.59

Stephen Troy
 

hi doug and all

apologies for retracing recent steps but I i'm unable to find a
response to the below issue.

i'm running skype 8.59, script version 149, latest build of jaws and win10.

when skype is open, I get absolutely no response from anything,
including jaws, other than pressing the alt key and that only gives
me very limited access to the calls and view menus. oh, I can see quit
under the file option, so I guess i'm logged in!!

any advice is gratefully received

many thanks in advance

steve


Re: Skype blocks with NVDA

Michele Barbi
 

Ok, thanks for the report, I actually don't know what the problem could be.

Bye!

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Re: Skype blocks with NVDA

inamuddin khan
 

After reading your email, I have tested Skype and faced the same problem but after a few minutes later it has become ok!

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michele Barbi
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 10:33 PM
To: Skype English list
Subject: [skypeenglish] Skype blocks with NVDA

 

Hi guys,

 

a friend of mine is having a problem with latest version of Skype using

NVDA. He called me saying that with tab he was unable to manage

anything, and on an NVDA Remote session I discovered that Skype is

really blocked. I figured out that he had an old version of Skype addon

for NVDA and this was incompatible with NVDA 2019.3, so I updated it; I

also discovered that he has 73 unread conversations, and that he needs

to install authomatic Windows update, though they're already downloaded

and so the system asks for be restarted. Do you think that  one of the

two could be the problem? If it's the unread conversations, I am afraid

he will need to close his screen reader and search for sighted

assistance in order to mark them as unread...

 

Bye!

 

Barbuz

 

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Skype blocks with NVDA

Michele Barbi
 

Hi guys,

a friend of mine is having a problem with latest version of Skype using NVDA. He called me saying that with tab he was unable to manage anything, and on an NVDA Remote session I discovered that Skype is really blocked. I figured out that he had an old version of Skype addon for NVDA and this was incompatible with NVDA 2019.3, so I updated it; I also discovered that he has 73 unread conversations, and that he needs to install authomatic Windows update, though they're already downloaded and so the system asks for be restarted. Do you think that  one of the two could be the problem? If it's the unread conversations, I am afraid he will need to close his screen reader and search for sighted assistance in order to mark them as unread...

Bye!

Barbuz

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peculiar skype problem

Tom Reid
 

Hi folks, I was trying to skype a friend. We were checking by landline. Both
were active, yet, he showed as away. When he tried to contact me, I showed
as not in reach. Any ideas?


Re: installed scripts, but nothing works

sand razor
 

Hello Sarah, Thanks for the information and skype link.

Definitely I appreciate the warning.

Catcha later!

 

From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 12:36 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] installed scripts, but nothing works

 

And what ever you do do not create another skype account if that is what you wanted to do. You cannot delete those from the skype server.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 11 Apr 2020, at 7:23, Michele Barbi wrote:

Hi Sand,

scripts are installed in JAWS folders, not in Skype ones; therefore, you should not need to install them again (unless you uninstalled them of course).

For the Skype installer, try going here: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

You should download version 8.58, which is the latest one nowadays.

Bye!

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Re: installed scripts, but nothing works

Sarah k Alawami
 

And what ever you do do not create another skype account if that is what you wanted to do. You cannot delete those from the skype server.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page YOu will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 11 Apr 2020, at 7:23, Michele Barbi wrote:

Hi Sand,

scripts are installed in JAWS folders, not in Skype ones; therefore, you should not need to install them again (unless you uninstalled them of course).

For the Skype installer, try going here: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

You should download version 8.58, which is the latest one nowadays.

Bye!

Barbuz

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Re: installed scripts, but nothing works

Michele Barbi
 

Hi Sand,

scripts are installed in JAWS folders, not in Skype ones; therefore, you should not need to install them again (unless you uninstalled them of course).

For the Skype installer, try going here: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full

You should download version 8.58, which is the latest one nowadays.

Bye!

Barbuz

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Re: installed scripts, but nothing works

sand razor
 

Hello Doug and others who has responded,
There is no sluggishness or freezing.
The program comes up as usual and asks for the pass word etc. Once log in is accomplished, the skype window is quickly available.
At that point, nothing works. Skypes acts just as I have described it.
I have left Skype open for 2 or 3 hours and sometimes longer, but Skype just sits there totally unusable.
I have restarted the computer, but this had no effect.
I've thought of re-installing Skype and setting up another account to see if this would solve the problem.
Question though, would I have to re-install the scripts as well?
Also, Can someone provide a link for a clean download of Skype?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 8:02 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] installed scripts, but nothing works

The only thing I've seen that sounds similar to what you two describe is this:

Now and then, when I start Skype, it will for a while seem like an empty interface. If I probe at it too much, it may even freeze JAWS for a while. This happens while Skype is collecting its data, syncing, etc., I think.
Since I have a fairly large contact list, there can be some considerable activity for Skype to complete for this. When it's done though, I get the normal interface, Tab works, etc.

If Skype starts when you start your computer, chances are that Windows itself, and maybe a number of other apps, simultaneously do this sort of massive update routine. Put together, that can cause quite a period of sluggish
computer behavior.

I'm not sure if this is what you two are seeing, but if it goes away by itself after a while, I'd say it's likely. "A while," though, may be a minute or a bit more sometimes. Usually, on my current laptop, I don't see
anything that long.

Btw, I also see this sort of sluggishness in other Electron-based apps besides Skype 8, notably Microsoft Teams and Slack. Again though, I don't see it all the time; just now and then, usually after I have left the app
unattended for a while.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:30:35PM +0200, Hamid wrote:
it happened to me a few times and i resolved it by killing skype from
the task manager then i restart skype again and usually after one or 2
trials it works.

On 4/10/2020 3:02 PM, sand razor wrote:

Hello, I have skype 8.5, and using latest win 10 with jaws 2020.

I have not used skype for a long time and when I opened it, I am no
longer able to navigate the program.

When I check the name of the program, it just says skype home.

When I do a say line, it says file button menu

If I press alt plus F, it says context menu. The highlighted option is
quit - control plus q

This is the only option available.

Pressing the alt key does nothing.

The tab button and arrow keys have no functionality.

I installed the scripts, but still have same negative issue.

I re-installed the scripts, which removed the pre-existing scripts, but
still I can’t navigate within skype.

thanks for any productive assistance.

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Re: installed scripts, but nothing works

Smiling?
 

This description sounds extensively similar to what I've experienced for however long after rebooting, nice explanation.

I've never timed it, so I truly haven't any ideas to how much time this takes, but somewhere around a minute or so sounds reasonable.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io <main@skypeenglish.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 18:02
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] installed scripts, but nothing works

The only thing I've seen that sounds similar to what you two describe is this:

Now and then, when I start Skype, it will for a while seem like an empty interface. If I probe at it too much, it may even freeze JAWS for a while. This happens while Skype is collecting its data, syncing, etc., I think.
Since I have a fairly large contact list, there can be some considerable activity for Skype to complete for this. When it's done though, I get the normal interface, Tab works, etc.

If Skype starts when you start your computer, chances are that Windows itself, and maybe a number of other apps, simultaneously do this sort of massive update routine. Put together, that can cause quite a period of sluggish computer behavior.

I'm not sure if this is what you two are seeing, but if it goes away by itself after a while, I'd say it's likely. "A while," though, may be a minute or a bit more sometimes. Usually, on my current laptop, I don't see anything that long.

Btw, I also see this sort of sluggishness in other Electron-based apps besides Skype 8, notably Microsoft Teams and Slack. Again though, I don't see it all the time; just now and then, usually after I have left the app unattended for a while.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:30:35PM +0200, Hamid wrote:
it happened to me a few times and i resolved it by killing skype from
the task manager then i restart skype again and usually after one or 2
trials it works.

On 4/10/2020 3:02 PM, sand razor wrote:

Hello, I have skype 8.5, and using latest win 10 with jaws 2020.

I have not used skype for a long time and when I opened it, I am no
longer able to navigate the program.

When I check the name of the program, it just says skype home.

When I do a say line, it says file button menu

If I press alt plus F, it says context menu. The highlighted option is
quit - control plus q

This is the only option available.

Pressing the alt key does nothing.

The tab button and arrow keys have no functionality.

I installed the scripts, but still have same negative issue.

I re-installed the scripts, which removed the pre-existing scripts, but
still I can’t navigate within skype.

thanks for any productive assistance.

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Re: Skype issues that I see, response to several messages on this list today

Mike DeZinno
 

Hi Doug,
Re "meet now service":
Not needing to have software on your machine to be able to join in is also a very popular trend and is probably one of the main driving forces for Zoom's growing popularity.

These services offering 24/7 open communications I guess are the  modern evolution of the old 24/7 telephone conference lines that people used years ago to build MLM businesses.

I just wish that these international mega billions companies could find it in their hearts to dedicate a small fraction of their gross revenue to orphan tech like accessibility for the blind.  Even if they didn't want to do the actual work then at least they could underwrite people like yourself who are willing to take on the task.

Just my thoughts of appreciation for how far we have come in my 70 plus years but still aware of how far we still have to go.

All stay well,
Mike in SC


At 12:48 PM 4/8/2020 Wednesday, you wrote:
You are kind. :-)

Realistically though, the world started going from mostly Skype to a diverse set of alternatives years ago. The virus only served to make more urgent the need for us to keep up with all of those alternatives. Also, NVDA has
become popular enough that scripting for JAWS is no longer enough to fill the needs of everyone. The significant increase in choices does indeed complicate my life, but so it goes in general. In short, the telecommunication
landscape and the screen reader landscape are both going the way of the Roman empire; so no one, no solution, and no script will anymore enjoy Caesar status. :-)

As it happens, I have resumed work on Skype UWP scripts even though I expect Skype UWP to change completely in very short order. The reason is the arrival of this Meet Now service by Microsoft, whereby one can build a
permanent call/meeting that is open to all, even to those with no Skype and with Skype but no Skype account. Clicking a shared Meet Now link seems to open Skype UWP on most Windows 10 machines. I saw information about this a
day or two ago and resumed Skype UWP work last night. I don't have an ETA for a script update yet though.

On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 12:10:53PM -0400, Mike DeZinno wrote:
   Good day All,
   Just to way-in on this topic; I am also finding the need to explore
   other software like Team Talk, Zoom, and others
   I feel badly for Doug Lee, who has now for several years tried against
   all odds to make Skype work for us like it once did, only to keep
   having to fix something that keeps getting more difficult to keep up
   with because of Skype's constant changes and quirks. .
   Just like we all had to let go of Skype 7.xx versions I guess we should
   maybe get ready to some day do the same with Skype in general and be
   open to finding software that is more naturally accessible to the blind
   community.
   I say these things not out of anger but rather out of an honest feeling
   of guilt that we keep needing so much of Doug's time spent just trying
   to not get too far behind with all the work he needs to do and re-do
   just to keep Skype almost working day to day.
   Many heart felt thanks to you Doug for all you do for us.
   Stay well all,
   Mike in SC
   At 10:57 AM 4/8/2020 Wednesday, you wrote:

     Hi Doug,
     Thank you for the list of Skype alternatives. I tested some of them,
     and I will test TeamTalk, TeamSpeak and Zello, because the ones I
     tried are not at least as good as the old Skype for Desktop.
     --Octavian
     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
     To: <main@skypeenglish.groups.io>
     Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 3:38 PM
     Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype issues that I see, response to
     several messages on this list today

     I can confirm that Skype can be slow to switch chats. I'm pretty
     sure that happens regardless of whether you run scripts, or even
     JAWS; but someone please prove me wrong if possible.
     The hotkey for moving to message history is also not working as well
     as it once did, but I may be able to fix that one. I noticed it
     earlier this weekend but did not include it in my message because I
     wanted to test it
     further before commenting on it.
     As for Skype alternatives, here's a somewhat complete list of what
     I've worked with lately, in no particular order. This list includes
     of course only the clients and platforms I've seen and/or scripted
     in a non-professional
     setting; i.e., I've scripted other clients under contract and am not
     listing those here.
     I have scripts for Unigram, the Windows 10 Telegram client that is
     most accessible. The app comes from the Windows Store; the scripts
     come from [1]https://www.dlee.org/unigram/
     In fact, my use of Unigram includes hosting my project update
     announcement channel there, along with a paired discussion group for
     the things I release. See my contact page for current details:
     [2]https://www.dlee.org/contact/
     A while ago, I did a bit of Discord scripting for a couple of folks;
     but those are surely pretty out of date by now. I'm told that
     Discord text chatting is still pretty accessible though.
     I have fairly comprehensive scripts for Slack at
     [3]https://www.dlee.org/slack/ and some very soon to be
     significantly updated scripts for Microsoft Teams, which will
     replace Skype For Business (SFB), at
     [4]https://www.dlee.org/teams/
     Both of those are more for the professional arena I think, but I
     think they can be used outside of that environment.
     I am not listing my SFB scripts here, though I have three different
     sets of those for different SFB versions, because as I said, Teams
     will be replacing SFB. Also, SFB is exclusively for professional
     settings as far as I know.
     Of course there's also Zoom, which is probably the most popular of
     the platforms now for voice. It also supports text chatting, and
     scripts for that one are included in JAWS 2020 and also are
     available from Bryan Hartgen.
     Then we have TeamTalk and TeamSpeak, which I scripted as well:
     [5]https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/ and
     [6]https://www.dlee.org/teamspeak/
     Those are also more known for voice but do support texting.
     TeamSpeak will at some point move to a new structure that has global
     text chat support much like Discord, but the date for that has
     remained uncertain for quite some
     months by now.
     And I guess I will complete my list with that old but amazingly
     still kickin' client known as Zello. I still have scripts for that
     one at [7]https://www.dlee.org/zello/ though I rarely work on that
     one because I long ago got
     tired of wrestling with bugs in the Windows client. Still, the
     platform survives and gets used, especially in emergency settings
     from all I hear, though again, more for voice than for text I think.
     On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 03:09:30PM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
     Even worse then those things is that the hotkey Control+Insert+Y to
     move to
     the list of chat messages is not working anymore, sometimes after
     opening
     Skype nothing happends when pressing Shift+Tab or Tab for moving
     there, and
     this for several minutes, also sometimes Skype appears as locked for
     several
     minutes when pressing Alt+1, so if somebody sends me a message, I am
     not
     able to read that message immediately until Skype starts working
     well.
     This happends when using latest Skype with your scripts under
     Windows 7.
     Under Windows 10 there are many more other bad things that appear in
     many
     other applications, so passing to Windows 10 is not a solution.
     You tested more text and voice chatting apps. Do you know if there
     is one
     that's better accessible for the blind and easier to use than Skype?
     --Octavian
     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
     To: <main@skypeenglish.groups.io>
     Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2020 12:09 AM
     Subject: [skypeenglish] Skype issues that I see, response to several
     messages on this list today

     Let me address some claims I've seen, today on this list and
     elsewhere
     over time, about Skype for Windows, and some of my own claims
     besides:
     Claim 1: Skype online status is sometimes wrong.
     True. In the past few weeks, I've seen a Skype status of "Last seen
     days
     ago" for contacts I saw less than six days earlier. To my initial
     alarm,
     that message has for some time been widely recognized as meaning
     that you
     are
     blocked by the contact. I find this no longer to be the case; I've
     seen
     friends and professional colleagues alike display as "Last seen days
     ago"
     without having blocked me.
     Claim 2: Skype mood text can be wrong.
     True. For quite a while and through several Skype 8 versions, I've
     seen
     the mood text for one contact stay active while I switched through
     chats
     with several other contacts, until I happen to open a chat with
     another
     contact
     who actually has a mood text. In short, the mood text does not clear
     until
     it is changed to a new message. I have repeatedly reported this bug
     to
     Microsoft but have not seen any sign of it being addressed.
     Claim 3: "File sent" no longer speaks after a file transfer.
     Not sure about this one. I do know that "File sent" finally stopped
     speaking after the sending of a chat message, but I don't send files
     much.
     I also know that both of those messages are not likely to speak if
     you
     split your
     chat windows out from the main Skype window, because of the way the
     Skype
     notifications work.
     Claim 4: Skype UWP for Windows 10 is going away.
     Mixed. Reliable indications exist that Skype UWP will become like,
     or
     become equal to, Skype for Windows Desktop in some way. I don't know
     if
     the Store app is going away entirely; but since it comes with
     Windows 10
     now, I
     doubt it. Those on the Windows Insider program, which I am not, can
     probably say more about this one.
     Claim 5: Focus sticks to the "1 star" button after a Skype-to-phone
     call.
     Uncertain but reliably reported. If anyone else has seen this one,
     please
     let me know. I have not seen this one on my machine, and I make a
     fair
     number of Skype-to-phone calls; but I may have just jumped past it
     too
     fast.
     I hope this message helps clear up a few uncertainties for people.
     --
     Doug Lee               Â
     dgl@...                [8]http://www.dlee.org
     Level Access             doug.lee@...
     [9]http://www.LevelAccess.com
     "Believe, when you are most unhappy, that there is something for you
     to do in the world. So long as you can sweeten another's pain, life
     is
     not in vain." --Helen Keller

     --
     Doug Lee               Â
     dgl@...                [10]http://www.dlee.org
     Level Access             doug.lee@...
     [11]http://www.LevelAccess.com
     "The most exhausting thing in life is being insincere."
            - Anne Morrow Lindbergh {American Author}

  

References

   1. https://www.dlee.org/unigram/
   2. https://www.dlee.org/contact/
   3. https://www.dlee.org/slack/
   4. https://www.dlee.org/teams/
   5. https://www.dlee.org/teamtalk/
   6. https://www.dlee.org/teamspeak/
   7. https://www.dlee.org/zello/
   8. http://www.dlee.org/
   9. http://www.levelaccess.com/
  10. http://www.dlee.org/
  11. http://www.levelaccess.com/
  12. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4430
  13. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype issues that I see, response to several messages on this list today
  14. mailto:mike@...?subject=Private: Re: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype issues that I see, response to several messages on this list today
  15. https://groups.io/mt/72778942/409874
  16. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
  17. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
  18. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
  19. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
  20. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
What is most worth paying for, you buy with the life you live.
(11/10/07)


Re: installed scripts, but nothing works

Octavian Rasnita
 

It happends for me also, exactly as you described.

In order to solve it, to know how much I need to wait until Skype is working again, I use to press Alt+1, then move the focus to other applications and work in them for a while, and then return to Skype after a minute or so and check its status. If Skype is working, the focus should be on a contact in the contacts list, and I just need to press Enter on it, then tab to move from there, then Shift+tab to move back to that contact, and press Enter a second time. After this, Skype is working and the focus usually goes to the message text field and I need to press Shift+tab twice to move to the list of chat messages.

Skype is always working bad after I restart my laptop, but I use to restart my laptop only once in a few weeks. It is also working bad after I leave it unused for a longer time period in a day, so this way of using it is normal for the new Skype made by Microsoft.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@dlee.org>
To: <main@skypeenglish.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] installed scripts, but nothing works


The only thing I've seen that sounds similar to what you two describe is this:

Now and then, when I start Skype, it will for a while seem like an empty interface. If I probe at it too much, it may even freeze JAWS for a while. This happens while Skype is collecting its data, syncing, etc., I think.
Since I have a fairly large contact list, there can be some considerable activity for Skype to complete for this. When it's done though, I get the normal interface, Tab works, etc.

If Skype starts when you start your computer, chances are that Windows itself, and maybe a number of other apps, simultaneously do this sort of massive update routine. Put together, that can cause quite a period of sluggish
computer behavior.

I'm not sure if this is what you two are seeing, but if it goes away by itself after a while, I'd say it's likely. "A while," though, may be a minute or a bit more sometimes. Usually, on my current laptop, I don't see
anything that long.

Btw, I also see this sort of sluggishness in other Electron-based apps besides Skype 8, notably Microsoft Teams and Slack. Again though, I don't see it all the time; just now and then, usually after I have left the app
unattended for a while.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:30:35PM +0200, Hamid wrote:
it happened to me a few times and i resolved it by killing skype from
the task manager then i restart skype again and usually after one or 2
trials it works.

On 4/10/2020 3:02 PM, sand razor wrote:

Hello, I have skype 8.5, and using latest win 10 with jaws 2020.

I have not used skype for a long time and when I opened it, I am no
longer able to navigate the program.

When I check the name of the program, it just says skype home.

When I do a say line, it says file button menu

If I press alt plus F, it says context menu. The highlighted option is
quit - control plus q

This is the only option available.

Pressing the alt key does nothing.

The tab button and arrow keys have no functionality.

I installed the scripts, but still have same negative issue.

I re-installed the scripts, which removed the pre-existing scripts, but
still I can’t navigate within skype.

thanks for any productive assistance.

Virus-free. [1]www.avg.com



References

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5. https://groups.io/mt/72924467/409874
6. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post
7. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
8. https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874
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--
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Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Our chief want in life is somebody who will make us do what
we can. {Ralph Waldo Emerson}

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