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Re: sdndint files

Jerry Pryde
 

Never mind.  You're right.  I typed that command in the wrong field.  It works.

Thanks Octavian.

On 2020-03-06 4:41 p.m., Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Or you can press Control+Shift+F and this will open the "Open file" dialog.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@dlee.org>
To: <main@skypeenglish.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] sdndint files


It's a standard file selection dialog I believe, which means the edit box would let you type a path, not just a file name; but that you could also Shift+Tab to a list, go back farther to navigate through folders, etc.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:51:47PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
PS:
When I type the name of a file, it says the fil'e not found.

But, it's in my hard drive.

On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:39:28PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know how to send files via skype?

In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues
after using the applications key.

That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10.

Jerry.





--
Doug Lee                 dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt




Re: sdndint files

Jerry Pryde
 

Just tried that.  Didn't work.

On 2020-03-06 4:41 p.m., Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Or you can press Control+Shift+F and this will open the "Open file" dialog.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@dlee.org>
To: <main@skypeenglish.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] sdndint files


It's a standard file selection dialog I believe, which means the edit box would let you type a path, not just a file name; but that you could also Shift+Tab to a list, go back farther to navigate through folders, etc.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:51:47PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
PS:
When I type the name of a file, it says the fil'e not found.

But, it's in my hard drive.

On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:39:28PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know how to send files via skype?

In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues
after using the applications key.

That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10.

Jerry.





--
Doug Lee                 dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt




Re: sdndint files

Octavian Rasnita
 

Or you can press Control+Shift+F and this will open the "Open file" dialog.

--Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@dlee.org>
To: <main@skypeenglish.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] sdndint files


It's a standard file selection dialog I believe, which means the edit box would let you type a path, not just a file name; but that you could also Shift+Tab to a list, go back farther to navigate through folders, etc.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:51:47PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
PS:
When I type the name of a file, it says the fil'e not found.

But, it's in my hard drive.

On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:39:28PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know how to send files via skype?

In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues
after using the applications key.

That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10.

Jerry.





--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt


Re: sdndint files

Jerry Pryde
 

Thanks Billions.

It worked.  When I slected a file, it added it in the edit box. Clicked on Open, clicked the send file button, and Victory.

On 2020-03-06 4:31 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's a standard file selection dialog I believe, which means the edit box would let you type a path, not just a file name; but that you could also Shift+Tab to a list, go back farther to navigate through folders, etc.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:51:47PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
PS:
When I type the name of a file, it says the fil'e not found.

But, it's in my hard drive.

On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:39:28PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know how to send files via skype?

In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues
after using the applications key.

That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10.

Jerry.




Re: sdndint files

Doug Lee
 

It's a standard file selection dialog I believe, which means the edit box would let you type a path, not just a file name; but that you could also Shift+Tab to a list, go back farther to navigate through folders, etc.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:51:47PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
PS:
When I type the name of a file, it says the fil'e not found.

But, it's in my hard drive.

On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:39:28PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know how to send files via skype?

In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues
after using the applications key.

That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10.

Jerry.





--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt


Re: sdndint files

Jerry Pryde
 

PS:
When I type the name of a file, it says the fil'e not found.

But, it's in my hard drive.

On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:39:28PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know how to send files via skype?

In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues
after using the applications key.

That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10.

Jerry.




Re: sdndint files

Jerry Pryde
 

Do you type the name of the file, or ca:\ etc?

On 2020-03-06 3:43 p.m., Doug Lee wrote:
It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:39:28PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know how to send files via skype?

In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues
after using the applications key.

That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10.

Jerry.




Re: sdndint files

Doug Lee
 

It's the "Add Files" button you Tab to from the input edit box in a chat.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:39:28PM -0500, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.


Does anyone know how to send files via skype?

In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues
after using the applications key.

That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10.

Jerry.




--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Pray devoutly, but hammer stoutly."
--Sir William G. Benham


sdndint files

Jerry Pryde
 

Hi all.


Does anyone know how to send files via skype?

In skype classic, I just selected a file, and slected skype in the Send menues after using the applications key.

That doesn't seem to be there in windows 10.

Jerry.


Re: Shortcut for the back button doesn't work

Doug Lee
 

I'm sure the window maximizing thing means that window size can govern what's included in a window in Skype Desktop. Good to know; thanks for the quick reply.

And for all else watching, keep in mind that there was a typo in the message I was answering: Alt+numbers jump to parts of Skype, not Ctrl+numbers.

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 03:28:11PM +0000, Léonie Watson wrote:
It does still happen, but a bit of experimentation has found that maximising
the window seems to solve the problem - although the default/original size of
the window is perfectly normal according to sighted people I've checked with.


On 06/03/2020 14:27, Doug Lee wrote:
Léonie, I failed to answer this over month-old message; but typically, unanswered emails sit in my inbox until I do; and that happened here. I am slating for implementation in the Skype Electron scripts a faster way to click
the Back button, though I could not reproduce your specific issue myself. I'd be curious to know if this still happens to you. Sorry it took me so long to answer.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 09:29:13AM +0000, Léonie Watson wrote:
Hello,

I've just installed Skype 8.55.0.141 on a Windows 10 machine with a fresh
install of Jaws 2020, and version 137 of the Jaws scripts, and I can no longer
get the control 1 shortcut to work. Instead I have to tab around to find the
back button.

I've tried reinstalling both Skype and the Jaws scripts but it hasn't helped.
I've restarted both my laptop and Jaws each time, but that hasn't worked
either.

Help welcome. Thanks

Léonie.
--
@LeonieWatson Carpe diem.



--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"It is not the mountain in the distance which makes you want to stop
walking; but the grain of sand in your shoe." --Anon


Re: Shortcut for the back button doesn't work

Léonie Watson <tink@...>
 

It does still happen, but a bit of experimentation has found that maximising the window seems to solve the problem - although the default/original size of the window is perfectly normal according to sighted people I've checked with.

On 06/03/2020 14:27, Doug Lee wrote:
Léonie, I failed to answer this over month-old message; but typically, unanswered emails sit in my inbox until I do; and that happened here. I am slating for implementation in the Skype Electron scripts a faster way to click
the Back button, though I could not reproduce your specific issue myself. I'd be curious to know if this still happens to you. Sorry it took me so long to answer.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 09:29:13AM +0000, Léonie Watson wrote:
Hello,
I've just installed Skype 8.55.0.141 on a Windows 10 machine with a fresh
install of Jaws 2020, and version 137 of the Jaws scripts, and I can no longer
get the control 1 shortcut to work. Instead I have to tab around to find the
back button.
I've tried reinstalling both Skype and the Jaws scripts but it hasn't helped.
I've restarted both my laptop and Jaws each time, but that hasn't worked
either.
Help welcome. Thanks
Léonie.
--
@LeonieWatson Carpe diem.


Re: Shortcut for the back button doesn't work

Stephen Troy
 

hi doug

ctrl1 doesn't work as a back keystroke for me either. I also have to
tab round to the back button.

I'm running exactly the same as leonie.

On 06/03/2020, Doug Lee <dgl@dlee.org> wrote:
Léonie, I failed to answer this over month-old message; but typically,
unanswered emails sit in my inbox until I do; and that happened here. I am
slating for implementation in the Skype Electron scripts a faster way to
click
the Back button, though I could not reproduce your specific issue myself.
I'd be curious to know if this still happens to you. Sorry it took me so
long to answer.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 09:29:13AM +0000, Léonie Watson wrote:
Hello,

I've just installed Skype 8.55.0.141 on a Windows 10 machine with a fresh
install of Jaws 2020, and version 137 of the Jaws scripts, and I can no
longer
get the control 1 shortcut to work. Instead I have to tab around to find
the
back button.

I've tried reinstalling both Skype and the Jaws scripts but it hasn't
helped.
I've restarted both my laptop and Jaws each time, but that hasn't worked
either.

Help welcome. Thanks

Léonie.

--
@LeonieWatson Carpe diem.



--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"There are no guarantees. From a standpoint of fear, none are
strong enough. From a standpoint of love, none are necessary."
- from Emmanuel's Book II




Re: Shortcut for the back button doesn't work

Doug Lee
 

Léonie, I failed to answer this over month-old message; but typically, unanswered emails sit in my inbox until I do; and that happened here. I am slating for implementation in the Skype Electron scripts a faster way to click
the Back button, though I could not reproduce your specific issue myself. I'd be curious to know if this still happens to you. Sorry it took me so long to answer.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 09:29:13AM +0000, Léonie Watson wrote:
Hello,

I've just installed Skype 8.55.0.141 on a Windows 10 machine with a fresh
install of Jaws 2020, and version 137 of the Jaws scripts, and I can no longer
get the control 1 shortcut to work. Instead I have to tab around to find the
back button.

I've tried reinstalling both Skype and the Jaws scripts but it hasn't helped.
I've restarted both my laptop and Jaws each time, but that hasn't worked
either.

Help welcome. Thanks

Léonie.

--
@LeonieWatson Carpe diem.



--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"There are no guarantees. From a standpoint of fear, none are
strong enough. From a standpoint of love, none are necessary."
- from Emmanuel's Book II


locked A perhaps ironic thing to say, but, a new way to find me...

Doug Lee
 

For a long time, this has been the best place to find me for Skype script and even NVDA add-on support for Skype products, which include Skype for Windows Desktop, Skype UWP for Windows 10 though I haven't kept up so well
with that one, and Skype For Business (SFB), formerly known as Microsoft Lync.

This is still true, but the alternatives to this list are changing; and I thought I should announce this here in case it still affects anyone.

For years, I have maintained a Twitter project announcement and support account, @dlee_code. That account remains but is no longer preferred as a means of contacting me.

And now to the reason I said this message could be considered ironic:

My new preferred point of text-based contact for project support is Telegram. That would be a Skype competitor lol.

Here's how it works:

If you don't have Telegram and don't want it, you can view my project update announcements, for all my public projects including Skype-related ones, at https://t.me/s/dlee_code

The slightly shorter URL https://t.me/dlee_code will let you join my Telegram channel for project updates. That's still a view-only channel (well ok, that's what "channel" means on Telegram), but there's a link on that screen
(in Telegram) or page (in your browser) for a discussion group. If you join that group, you can talk back to me about projects I'm working on. Please keep any messages there related to projects of mine. The direct link for
joining that group is a bit messier: https://t.me/joinchat/OUU9GRieXgkcDYYdSXeGGQ

As for accessible Telegrams:
* The native iOS Telegram app works well enough with VoiceOver for sending and receiving messages, in my experience.
* The Unigram Windows Store app works well enough on Windows, and I have JAWS scripts for that one at https://www.dlee.org/unigram/
* I'm told that Telegram is decent on Android, but I don't have more specifics on that except that I also hear the explore-by-touch is often necessary to use it.

Other useful references:

My https://www.dlee.org/contact/ page is the official guide on how to contact me for various things.

My main website at https://www.dlee.org is the best place to find a current list of my public projects, of which there are currently about 40.

And finally, no, I am definitely not leaving Skype or abandoning the scripts for it. :-) Skype just doesn't offer me the sort of configuration I want for project-related communications, and Twitter has raised sufficient
concerns in my mind to make me move away from using it for this purpose - though my project update Telegram posts are currently also automatically posting to my @dlee_code Twitter. A page describing my reasons for this move
from Twitter to Telegram can be found at https://www.dlee.org/twit2tel.htm

Happy Skyping to all.

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Maturity is knowing that the world owes you nothing. Freedom is knowing you owe it the same. Character is how
you respond to the knowing." --Jack Kincaid


Re: Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Doug Lee
 

I actually spent a fairly significant amount of time arranging the scripts for this application into three branches, all of which can be found at https://www.dlee.org/sfb/

I don't have a way to test older versions, so my idea of what should be in the older two of those may be off a bit; but if either of the last two branches on that page help you, please let me know.

I admit, though, this issue you're having is reminiscent to me of a general issue I've been seeing in several applications. Off the top of my head, they include Skype UWP (the Windows 10 alternative to Skype for Windows
Desktop) and Unigram (a Windows Telegram client that is more accessible than the native Telegram client on Windows).

The general issue I've seen is that certain types of events that cause a system tray alert to appear can also confuse JAWS' idea of which application has focus. I wonder if this is a JAWS issue because I'm not aware of it
occurring under NVDA; but I could be wrong there. I regard the acid test for this issue to be pretty clear: If you Alt+Tab twice, you should land back in the same app that had focus in the first place according to Windows,
right? So when this issue occurs and you Alt+Tab twice, you land back in the app you were working in, not the one that generated the systray alert and confused JAWS' idea of focus.

Let me know if any of the SFB/Lync script versions help you. Also I recommend contacting Freedom/Vispero if the issue is not addressed by those; and I honestly suspect that no script will currently fix this one. Sometimes
though, I would love to be wrong. :-)

On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 05:50:17AM +0000, Francois Jacobs via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi list

I thought perhaps my vacation leave would take care of the problem but obviously not.
The email trail is below, but in brief I need to have a group conversation open for the duration of my work shift. Each time a team member posts something to this team chat Jaws loses focus of the application I was last working on. A good example of that is that I might be navigating a Word document in the Quick Keys review mode (jaws-z) when the SFB message comes in. Jaws now thinks we're in the SFB application and the quick keys mode in Word is no longer active.
In case it helps, when the SFB message comes in, pressing Jaws-t to read the widow title Jaws announces Skype for Business.
However, pressing Jaws-q to check which scripts are running Jaws would still announce the scripts name for the application I am actually focused on.
I would appreciate any help on things I can try to resolve this.

I'm running Skype for Business 2016 here at work under what looks likeWindows 8.1. Info as per the Winver command:
"Microsoft Windows
Version 6.3 (Build 9600)
2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
The Windows 8.1 Pro operating system and its user interface are
protected by trademark and other pending or existing intellectual property
rights in the United States and other countries/regions."

The latest Jaws scripts are installed and I get the following info by pressing Jaws-q twice when SFB is in focus:
"Revision 385 Lync 2013 and Skype for Business settings are used in the lync.exe application.
The configuration name is lync."

Thanks for any help.
Francois

-----Original Message-----
From: Francois Jacobs
Sent: Friday, 7 February 2020 8:00 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: RE: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Hi again Doug

Just to let you know I managed to get SFB 2016 installed today. Iwas so looking forward to the problem being gone, but for some reason it isn't.
I haven't tried installing your scripts for SFB 2016 yet as it's been a busy Friday, but on Monday I'll try.
Just wanted to let you know in case you were still planning to do some work on creating that beta version for the 2015 scripts to recognise Jaws 2020.

Thanks, Francois

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 5:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Wow, didn't know any SFB version that old was still in use out there.

I may vaguely recall that focus issue, but I believe that was fixed within SFB itself. I did not try to script around that one as far as I remember.

I'm somewhat surprised that the SFB 2015 scripts won't install into JAWS 2020, but the code could require an update. If you like, I can generate an updated beta; though I have no way to test it here. I'm just not expecting an
update to help with the focus problem you are reporting, annoying though I'm sure that issue is for you.

You might see if a Do Not Disturb status will prevent that issue, assuming your management doesn't mind you staying in that status and assuming it doesn't make you miss things you need to see. You could also try putting SFB
on another virtual desktop if your Windows version allows that, but I have never tried that one myself to know if it would help.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 04:46:09AM +0000, Francois Jacobs via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi there



Im new to this list, have no idea to do an archive list and can only
hope this question hasnt been addressed before.



I am required to be logged into an open team chat the whole work day as
this is how our team members post questions and announcements.

Every time a team member posts a message to the open chat my screen
reader seems to focus on the message, i.e. away from what Im currently
doing. It drives me crazy and is very unproductive as you can
imagine.

The quickest way I have found to restore focus to my current
application is by pressing the alt key twice, but surely theres a
solution?

I have checked Skype settings, specifically checking that Always on Top
wasnt checked and it doesnt make a difference.



I googled and found Doug Lees scripts for SFB and downloaded the
version for SFB prior to SFB2016, hoping that might solve it.

Unfortunately I suspect theyre not compatible with Jaws 2020, because
in the installer the list is blank under the text that reads:

The following compatible versions of JAWS have been found on your
system. All versions

are currently selected for installation. Use Space to alter
selections if necessary, then press

Install to proceed.

I then activate Install anyway but the installer just closes.



The system configuration were using at work is determined at a
corporate level, so I have no control over that. Im using:

Windows 8.1 pro

Skype for Business version 2015

JAWS Version 2020.1912.11.400



Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks



Francois Jacobs



References

1. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4329__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHPUgbca0$
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running
3. mailto:Francois.Jacobs@linkgroup.com?subject=Private: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running
4. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/mt/70265428/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHatN_aWY$
5. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHQxy3t3Y$
6. https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.dlee.org/skype/__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHX2suFag$
7. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHzfBWNKU$
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHBzspvAw$

--
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Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.LevelAccess.com__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHEycOWbw$
Don't be afraid your life will end; be afraid that itwill never begin.
-- Grace Hansen






--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Our chief want in life is somebody who will make us do what
we can. {Ralph Waldo Emerson}


Re: Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Francois Jacobs <Francois.Jacobs@...>
 

Hi list

I thought perhaps my vacation leave would take care of the problem but obviously not.
The email trail is below, but in brief I need to have a group conversation open for the duration of my work shift. Each time a team member posts something to this team chat Jaws loses focus of the application I was last working on. A good example of that is that I might be navigating a Word document in the Quick Keys review mode (jaws-z) when the SFB message comes in. Jaws now thinks we're in the SFB application and the quick keys mode in Word is no longer active.
In case it helps, when the SFB message comes in, pressing Jaws-t to read the widow title Jaws announces Skype for Business.
However, pressing Jaws-q to check which scripts are running Jaws would still announce the scripts name for the application I am actually focused on.
I would appreciate any help on things I can try to resolve this.

I'm running Skype for Business 2016 here at work under what looks likeWindows 8.1. Info as per the Winver command:
"Microsoft Windows
Version 6.3 (Build 9600)
© 2013 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
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The latest Jaws scripts are installed and I get the following info by pressing Jaws-q twice when SFB is in focus:
"Revision 385 Lync 2013 and Skype for Business settings are used in the lync.exe application.
The configuration name is lync."

Thanks for any help.
Francois

-----Original Message-----
From: Francois Jacobs
Sent: Friday, 7 February 2020 8:00 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: RE: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Hi again Doug

Just to let you know I managed to get SFB 2016 installed today. Iwas so looking forward to the problem being gone, but for some reason it isn't.
I haven't tried installing your scripts for SFB 2016 yet as it's been a busy Friday, but on Monday I'll try.
Just wanted to let you know in case you were still planning to do some work on creating that beta version for the 2015 scripts to recognise Jaws 2020.

Thanks, Francois

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 5:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Wow, didn't know any SFB version that old was still in use out there.

I may vaguely recall that focus issue, but I believe that was fixed within SFB itself. I did not try to script around that one as far as I remember.

I'm somewhat surprised that the SFB 2015 scripts won't install into JAWS 2020, but the code could require an update. If you like, I can generate an updated beta; though I have no way to test it here. I'm just not expecting an
update to help with the focus problem you are reporting, annoying though I'm sure that issue is for you.

You might see if a Do Not Disturb status will prevent that issue, assuming your management doesn't mind you staying in that status and assuming it doesn't make you miss things you need to see. You could also try putting SFB
on another virtual desktop if your Windows version allows that, but I have never tried that one myself to know if it would help.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 04:46:09AM +0000, Francois Jacobs via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi there

Â

Iâm new to this list, have no idea to do an archive list and can only
hope this question hasnât been addressed before.

Â

I am required to be logged into an open team chat the whole work day as
this is how our team members post questions and announcements.

Every time a team member posts a message to the open chat my screen
reader seems to focus on the message, i.e. away from what Iâm currently
doing. It drives me crazy and is very unproductive as you can
imagine.Â

The quickest way I have found to restore focus to my current
application is by pressing the alt key twice, but surely thereâs a
solution?

I have checked Skype settings, specifically checking that Always on Top
wasnât checked and it doesnât make a difference.

Â

I googled and found Doug Leeâs scripts for SFB and downloaded the
version for SFB prior to SFB2016, hoping that might solve it.

Unfortunately I suspect theyâre not compatible with Jaws 2020, because
in the installer the list is blank under the text that reads:

âThe following compatible versions of JAWS have been found on your
system. All versions

are currently selected for installation. Use Space to alter
selections if necessary, then press

Install to proceed.â

I then activate Install anyway but the installer just closes.

Â

The system configuration weâre using at work is determined at a
corporate level, so I have no control over that. Iâm using:

Windows 8.1 pro

Skype for Business version 2015

JAWS Version 2020.1912.11.400

Â

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Â

Francois Jacobs



References

1. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4329__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHPUgbca0$
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running
3. mailto:Francois.Jacobs@linkgroup.com?subject=Private: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running
4. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/mt/70265428/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHatN_aWY$
5. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHQxy3t3Y$
6. https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.dlee.org/skype/__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHX2suFag$
7. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHzfBWNKU$
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHBzspvAw$

--
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Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.LevelAccess.com__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHEycOWbw$
Don't be afraid your life will end; be afraid that itwill never begin.
-- Grace Hansen


Re: Updates for Microsoft Lync and Skype For Business (SFB) JAWS scripts

Michele Barbi
 

Ok Doug, I admit I never used Skype for business but I installed Office 2013 and so here I am to report what I found.

At first I checked on history of Windows update since I remembered something that I installed in the automatic updates but I did not manage to recall it well. So I opened C:\Program files\Microsoft Office\Office15, and found the file Lync.exe. Launching this file it appeared Skype for business as the window title, and in order to be sure of the correct version, I went to "Show menu button", then question mark submenu, about Skype for business, and figured out that yeah it was Skype for business 2015. I hope that it's useful.

Bye!

Barbuz

-- 
Inviato da Thunderbird su Windows 10


Updates for Microsoft Lync and Skype For Business (SFB) JAWS scripts

Doug Lee
 

This message concerns the commercial-grade Lync and Skype For Business products, not the consumer-grade Skype products.

Due to a number of folks needing support for older Skype for Business and Microsoft Lync versions, I have spent a fair amount of time setting up three separate script sets for these products. I have no way to test any except
the first one below though, so I would greatly appreciate it if those who run older product versions could help me make sure that I have coded and named these sets correctly.
For example, I'm not sure what product names Microsoft has used (e.g., was there a product called Skype For Business 2015, or just 2016?).

All of these sets can easily be reached from one URL: https://www.dlee.org/sfb/

Here are the sets, with their specific addresses even though they can be reached from the above URL:

Scripts for Skype For Business (SFB) for Office 365: https://www.dlee.org/sfb/365/

Scripts for Skype For Business (SFB) 2016: https://www.dlee.org/sfb/16/

Scripts for Microsoft Lync 2013 and early SFB versions (SFB 2015?): https://www.dlee.org/sfb/15/

Thanks much for any help.

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"When your best-laid plans have turned to dust, vacuum!"
- Whoopi Goldberg


Re: Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Doug Lee
 

To all other listers: The below refers only to Skype For Business and its predecessor Lync, not to the consumer-grade Skype products.

I have split the SFB/Lync scripts into three different branches, as follows:

365: The current SFB scripts, aimed at the SFB in Office 365. This branch is at https://www.dlee.org/sfb/365/

15: The script support for Microsoft Lync 2013 and Skype For Business versions from 2015 and 2016 (early SFB 2016). This branch is up to date and is at https://www.dlee.org/sfb/15/

16: The script support for Skype For Business 2016, before it was rolled into Office 365. This branch is not yet complete but will appear at https://www.dlee.org/sfb/16/

When all three branches are complete, I will replace https://www.dlee.org/sfb/ with a page that just connects to the other three. For now though, that page remains the multi-branch page it has been for years.

You are welcome to try the 15 branch, though I'm not sure if that might be a step backward depending on the scripts you now have.

On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 09:00:06AM +0000, Francois Jacobs via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi again Doug

Just to let you know I managed to get SFB 2016 installed today. Iwas so looking forward to the problem being gone, but for some reason it isn't.
I haven't tried installing your scripts for SFB 2016 yet as it's been a busy Friday, but on Monday I'll try.
Just wanted to let you know in case you were still planning to do some work on creating that beta version for the 2015 scripts to recognise Jaws 2020.

Thanks, Francois

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 5:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Wow, didn't know any SFB version that old was still in use out there.

I may vaguely recall that focus issue, but I believe that was fixed within SFB itself. I did not try to script around that one as far as I remember.

I'm somewhat surprised that the SFB 2015 scripts won't install into JAWS 2020, but the code could require an update. If you like, I can generate an updated beta; though I have no way to test it here. I'm just not expecting an
update to help with the focus problem you are reporting, annoying though I'm sure that issue is for you.

You might see if a Do Not Disturb status will prevent that issue, assuming your management doesn't mind you staying in that status and assuming it doesn't make you miss things you need to see. You could also try putting SFB
on another virtual desktop if your Windows version allows that, but I have never tried that one myself to know if it would help.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 04:46:09AM +0000, Francois Jacobs via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi there



Im new to this list, have no idea to do an archive list and can only
hope this question hasnt been addressed before.



I am required to be logged into an open team chat the whole work day as
this is how our team members post questions and announcements.

Every time a team member posts a message to the open chat my screen
reader seems to focus on the message, i.e. away from what Im currently
doing. It drives me crazy and is very unproductive as you can
imagine.

The quickest way I have found to restore focus to my current
application is by pressing the alt key twice, but surely theres a
solution?

I have checked Skype settings, specifically checking that Always on Top
wasnt checked and it doesnt make a difference.



I googled and found Doug Lees scripts for SFB and downloaded the
version for SFB prior to SFB2016, hoping that might solve it.

Unfortunately I suspect theyre not compatible with Jaws 2020, because
in the installer the list is blank under the text that reads:

The following compatible versions of JAWS have been found on your
system. All versions

are currently selected for installation. Use Space to alter
selections if necessary, then press

Install to proceed.

I then activate Install anyway but the installer just closes.



The system configuration were using at work is determined at a
corporate level, so I have no control over that. Im using:

Windows 8.1 pro

Skype for Business version 2015

JAWS Version 2020.1912.11.400



Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks



Francois Jacobs



References

1. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4329__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHPUgbca0$
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running
3. mailto:Francois.Jacobs@linkgroup.com?subject=Private: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running
4. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/mt/70265428/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHatN_aWY$
5. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHQxy3t3Y$
6. https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.dlee.org/skype/__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHX2suFag$
7. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHzfBWNKU$
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHBzspvAw$

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.dlee.org__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHD_T3Zp4$
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.LevelAccess.com__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHEycOWbw$
Don't be afraid your life will end; be afraid that itwill never begin.
-- Grace Hansen






--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember
forgetting." --Sarah Alawami


Re: Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Francois Jacobs <Francois.Jacobs@...>
 

Hi again Doug

Just to let you know I managed to get SFB 2016 installed today. Iwas so looking forward to the problem being gone, but for some reason it isn't.
I haven't tried installing your scripts for SFB 2016 yet as it's been a busy Friday, but on Monday I'll try.
Just wanted to let you know in case you were still planning to do some work on creating that beta version for the 2015 scripts to recognise Jaws 2020.

Thanks, Francois

-----Original Message-----
From: main@skypeenglish.groups.io [mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020 5:29 PM
To: main@skypeenglish.groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running

Wow, didn't know any SFB version that old was still in use out there.

I may vaguely recall that focus issue, but I believe that was fixed within SFB itself. I did not try to script around that one as far as I remember.

I'm somewhat surprised that the SFB 2015 scripts won't install into JAWS 2020, but the code could require an update. If you like, I can generate an updated beta; though I have no way to test it here. I'm just not expecting an
update to help with the focus problem you are reporting, annoying though I'm sure that issue is for you.

You might see if a Do Not Disturb status will prevent that issue, assuming your management doesn't mind you staying in that status and assuming it doesn't make you miss things you need to see. You could also try putting SFB
on another virtual desktop if your Windows version allows that, but I have never tried that one myself to know if it would help.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 04:46:09AM +0000, Francois Jacobs via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi there

Â

Iâm new to this list, have no idea to do an archive list and can only
hope this question hasnât been addressed before.

Â

I am required to be logged into an open team chat the whole work day as
this is how our team members post questions and announcements.

Every time a team member posts a message to the open chat my screen
reader seems to focus on the message, i.e. away from what Iâm currently
doing. It drives me crazy and is very unproductive as you can
imagine.Â

The quickest way I have found to restore focus to my current
application is by pressing the alt key twice, but surely thereâs a
solution?

I have checked Skype settings, specifically checking that Always on Top
wasnât checked and it doesnât make a difference.

Â

I googled and found Doug Leeâs scripts for SFB and downloaded the
version for SFB prior to SFB2016, hoping that might solve it.

Unfortunately I suspect theyâre not compatible with Jaws 2020, because
in the installer the list is blank under the text that reads:

âThe following compatible versions of JAWS have been found on your
system. All versions

are currently selected for installation. Use Space to alter
selections if necessary, then press

Install to proceed.â

I then activate Install anyway but the installer just closes.

Â

The system configuration weâre using at work is determined at a
corporate level, so I have no control over that. Iâm using:

Windows 8.1 pro

Skype for Business version 2015

JAWS Version 2020.1912.11.400

Â

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Â

Francois Jacobs



References

1. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/message/4329__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHPUgbca0$
2. mailto:main@skypeenglish.groups.io?subject=Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running
3. mailto:Francois.Jacobs@linkgroup.com?subject=Private: Re: [skypeenglish] Jaws losing focus with Skype for Business 2015 running
4. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/mt/70265428/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHatN_aWY$
5. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/post__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHQxy3t3Y$
6. https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.dlee.org/skype/__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHX2suFag$
7. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/editsub/409874__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHzfBWNKU$
8. mailto:main+owner@skypeenglish.groups.io
9. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://skypeenglish.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHBzspvAw$

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.dlee.org__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHD_T3Zp4$
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.LevelAccess.com__;!!GEb1pAs!XN0liQTx8FTjaE5cfOJ9fWJUU2bgfGEk3pQOP3SC5114jqPol0MoXoldaH-fxogHEycOWbw$
Don't be afraid your life will end; be afraid that itwill never begin.
-- Grace Hansen

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