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Re: Help with history dividers

Mike DeZinno
 

Hi Doug,
Thanks for the rapid response.
Since I now know that I'm set up ok and following what you are recommending I will turn my attentions to the much more painful part of improving   myself! LOL
Thanks so much for the reassurance that I'm on the right track.
Have a healthy and prosperous New Year,
Mike, in SC




At 10:27 PM 12/30/2018, you wrote:
I am running the same JAWS, Skype, and script versions as you, and also under Windows 10.

But which key combos are not working? I was not able to implement Alt+numbers in Skype 8 as I did in Skype 7 because of the way messages are presented in UIA/MSAA to JAWS. [ e and [ h key sequences move focus to the input and
history boxes, respectively. In the history list, arrows read messages.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 09:25:43PM -0500, Mike DeZinno wrote:
   Hello All,
   Could someone please let me know if the following configuration of my
   Windows 10 lap top, running Jaws 2019, is correctly set up?
   It says I'm running:  Skype version  8.36.0.52
   Insert q says:  Revision 73 Skype for windows desktop 8(electron)
   settings are loaded
   The application currently being used is Skype exe Skype.exe
   I'm having a bit of trouble getting the key combos to read messages
   from the groups I belong to, which in Skype 7, with Doug's older
   scripts, on a windows7 lap top I had no trouble figuring out over the
   years and am trying hard to get back to a minimal level of proficiency.

   I have gone to several documents for new up dated keystrokes but again
   I'm not even coming close to the level of skill I once had.
   Am I doing something wrong or is it just the nature of the current
   beast! LOL
   Any help is greatly appreciated,
   Mike, in SC





   At 08:45 AM 12/28/2018, you wrote:

     As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the
     divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word
     "leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the
     first message under "today," JAWS
     should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new
     message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say
     "Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of
     the message history.
     If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are
     crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running
     (Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.
     On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
     The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts
     includes this
     new feature:
     "Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
     "Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with
     arrows.
     This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the
     newly
     selected history entry."
     Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the
     arrow keys
     doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note
     references this,
     so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.
     Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.
     Thanks.
     L??onie.
     --
     @LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem
     --
     Doug Lee                 dgl@...
     [1]http://www.dlee.org
     Level Access             doug.lee@...
     [2]http://www.LevelAccess.com
     "All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.'
     He did not know he could not fly, so he did."
     --Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues)

  

References

   1. http://www.dlee.org/
   2. http://www.levelaccess.com/
   3. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3599
   4. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
   5. mailto:mike@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
   6. https://groups.io/mt/28872458/409874
   7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
   8. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
   9. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
  10. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
  11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
"It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both
incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by
dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper."  --Rod Serling
Re: Help with history dividers

Doug Lee
 

I am running the same JAWS, Skype, and script versions as you, and also under Windows 10.

But which key combos are not working? I was not able to implement Alt+numbers in Skype 8 as I did in Skype 7 because of the way messages are presented in UIA/MSAA to JAWS. [ e and [ h key sequences move focus to the input and
history boxes, respectively. In the history list, arrows read messages.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 09:25:43PM -0500, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Hello All,
Could someone please let me know if the following configuration of my
Windows 10 lap top, running Jaws 2019, is correctly set up?
It says I'm running: Skype version 8.36.0.52
Insert q says: Revision 73 Skype for windows desktop 8(electron)
settings are loaded
The application currently being used is Skype exe Skype.exe
I'm having a bit of trouble getting the key combos to read messages
from the groups I belong to, which in Skype 7, with Doug's older
scripts, on a windows7 lap top I had no trouble figuring out over the
years and am trying hard to get back to a minimal level of proficiency.

I have gone to several documents for new up dated keystrokes but again
I'm not even coming close to the level of skill I once had.
Am I doing something wrong or is it just the nature of the current
beast! LOL
Any help is greatly appreciated,
Mike, in SC





At 08:45 AM 12/28/2018, you wrote:

As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the
divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word
"leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the
first message under "today," JAWS
should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new
message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say
"Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of
the message history.
If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are
crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running
(Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts
includes this
new feature:
"Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
"Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with
arrows.
This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the
newly
selected history entry."
Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the
arrow keys
doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note
references this,
so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.
Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.
Thanks.
L??onie.
--
@LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem
--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org
[1]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com
[2]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.'
He did not know he could not fly, so he did."
--Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues)



References

1. http://www.dlee.org/
2. http://www.levelaccess.com/
3. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3599
4. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
5. mailto:mike@mikedezinno.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
6. https://groups.io/mt/28872458/409874
7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
8. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
9. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
10. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both
incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by
dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper." --Rod Serling
Re: Help with history dividers

Mike DeZinno
 

Hello All,
Could someone please let me know if the following configuration of my Windows 10 lap top, running Jaws 2019, is correctly set up?
It says I'm running:  Skype version  8.36.0.52
Insert q says:  Revision 73 Skype for windows desktop 8(electron)  settings are loaded
The application currently being used is Skype exe Skype.exe

I'm having a bit of trouble getting the key combos to read messages from the groups I belong to, which in Skype 7, with Doug's older scripts, on a windows7 lap top I had no trouble figuring out over the years and am trying hard to get back to a minimal level of proficiency.
 
I have gone to several documents for new up dated keystrokes but again I'm not even coming close to the level of skill I once had.

Am I doing something wrong or is it just the nature of the current beast! LOL

Any help is greatly appreciated,
Mike, in SC
 
 

 

 
 


At 08:45 AM 12/28/2018, you wrote:
As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word "leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the first message under "today," JAWS
should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say "Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of the message history.

If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running (Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts includes this
new feature:

"Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
"Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with arrows.
This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the newly
selected history entry."

Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the arrow keys
doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note references this,
so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.

Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.

Thanks.
L??onie.


--
@LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem



--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
"All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.'
He did not know he could not fly, so he did."
--Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues)
Re: Help with history dividers

Sarah k Alawami
 

No worries, I'll test it with the add ons I do have if I'm ever forced to use skype under windows, let's hope that time is never. I like the interface but the mac's one is better in my humble opinion.


Blessings and happy Friday

On 28 Dec 2018, at 11:31, Doug Lee wrote:

I have not written this feature for NVDA.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 09:26:16AM -0800, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Will this work in nvda? I use nvda, or do I need to use my heading keys
for this. I don't use skype with nvda on windows anymore, but if I ever
have to, thought I'd ask here.

On 28 Dec 2018, at 8:39, Doug Lee wrote:

The more important number is the full Skype version number; but
since I see no obvious cause for this situation, I'm trying to be as
specific as I can about where it occurs. :-)
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 05:18:13PM +0100, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hey Doug, do you need the JAWS complete build number? Our friend
already told
us, JAWS 2019 is installed on Windows 10.
Bye!
Barbuz
--
Doug Lee dgl@... [1]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... [2]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather
'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov



References

1. http://www.dlee.org/
2. http://www.LevelAccess.com/
3. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3595
4. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
5. mailto:marrie12@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
6. https://groups.io/mt/28872458/409874
7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
8. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
9. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
10. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra
Re: Help with history dividers

Doug Lee
 

I have not written this feature for NVDA.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 09:26:16AM -0800, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Will this work in nvda? I use nvda, or do I need to use my heading keys
for this. I don't use skype with nvda on windows anymore, but if I ever
have to, thought I'd ask here.

On 28 Dec 2018, at 8:39, Doug Lee wrote:

The more important number is the full Skype version number; but
since I see no obvious cause for this situation, I'm trying to be as
specific as I can about where it occurs. :-)
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 05:18:13PM +0100, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hey Doug, do you need the JAWS complete build number? Our friend
already told
us, JAWS 2019 is installed on Windows 10.
Bye!
Barbuz
--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org [1]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com [2]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather
'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov



References

1. http://www.dlee.org/
2. http://www.LevelAccess.com/
3. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3595
4. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
5. mailto:marrie12@gmail.com?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
6. https://groups.io/mt/28872458/409874
7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
8. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
9. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
10. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra
Re: Help with history dividers

Léonie Watson
 

Thanks Doug. I'm sorry, it is in fact working, but I needed to restart Jaws after installing the scripts for it to happen.

Very glad to have this feature. Thank you.

On 28/12/2018 13:45, Doug Lee wrote:
As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word "leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the first message under "today," JAWS
should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say "Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of the message history.
If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running (Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts includes this
new feature:
"Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
"Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with arrows.
This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the newly
selected history entry."
Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the arrow keys
doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note references this,
so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.
Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.
Thanks.
L??onie.
--
@LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem
Re: Help with history dividers

Sarah k Alawami
 

Will this work in nvda? I use nvda, or do I need to use my heading keys for this. I don't use skype with nvda on windows anymore, but if I ever have to, thought I'd ask here.

On 28 Dec 2018, at 8:39, Doug Lee wrote:

The more important number is the full Skype version number; but since I see no obvious cause for this situation, I'm trying to be as specific as I can about where it occurs. :-)

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 05:18:13PM +0100, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hey Doug, do you need the JAWS complete build number? Our friend already told
us, JAWS 2019 is installed on Windows 10.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov
Re: Help with history dividers

Doug Lee
 

The more important number is the full Skype version number; but since I see no obvious cause for this situation, I'm trying to be as specific as I can about where it occurs. :-)

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 05:18:13PM +0100, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hey Doug, do you need the JAWS complete build number? Our friend already told
us, JAWS 2019 is installed on Windows 10.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov
Re: Help with history dividers

Michele Barbi
 

Hey Doug, do you need the JAWS complete build number? Our friend already told us, JAWS 2019 is installed on Windows 10.
Bye!
Barbuz
Re: Help with history dividers

Doug Lee
 

As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word "leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the first message under "today," JAWS
should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say "Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of the message history.

If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running (Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts includes this
new feature:

"Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
"Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with arrows.
This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the newly
selected history entry."

Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the arrow keys
doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note references this,
so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.

Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.

Thanks.
L??onie.


--
@LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem



--
Doug Lee dgl@dlee.org http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@LevelAccess.com http://www.LevelAccess.com
"All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.'
He did not know he could not fly, so he did."
--Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues)
Help with history dividers

Léonie Watson
 

The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts includes this new feature:

"Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and "Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with arrows. This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the newly selected history entry."

Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the arrow keys doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note references this, so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.

Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.

Thanks.
Léonie.


--
@LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem
History in private conversations

Michele Barbi
 

Hello guys,
first of all, merry Xmas and happy holidays to all of you!
Pardon the subject which can be a little confused, I'll explain the issue here in the message body. I'm having an issue with a friend of mine since her Skype auto-updated to version 8 electron in Windows 10. She sent to me, maybe by mistake, an invitation to make a private chat, and I accepted even if I did not get what it was; from that moment, when I chat with her I am unable to make the script for going to history work, meaning the command key followed by h.
Note that I am using scripts revision 60, does rev 73 fix the problem? Or is it still a bug in this particular kind of chat?
Bye!
Barbuz
Re: making a call on skype out

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hello, if you go to the archives, you will be able to find the message there. You can also download the archive for off line reading and searching. I have not done this as of yet, but I might just to keep some key strokes and links in a file.

On 24 Dec 2018, at 13:19, Martin Nemecek wrote:

Will someone please send me the email about making a skype out call. I Deletedthe email.
martin
making a call on skype out

Martin Nemecek
 

Will someone please send me the email about making a skype out call. I Deletedthe email.
martin
Re: How to prevent Skype from gaining automatic focus when a message comes in

Amy Ruell <aruell@...>
 

I totally agree.
I have actually been fighting with my organization about using this in the first place, since it’s not terribly accessible. Unfortunately, the organization is not terribly receptive. Thanks for your help.
Amy



On Dec 22, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Desert Moon via Groups.Io <desert.moon@...> wrote:

Hello Amy,

 

Do you have duties other than monitoring and reacting to Skype chats? If yes, it is virtually impossible to manage all duties considering the high frequency of chats. You may need to talk to your boss about your job function.

 

With regards to excessive trash chats, they are distracting and hampering productivity. You may want to escalate to your boss. First, create an organization culture of minimizing trash chats. Second, encourage staff to create chat groups to talk about matter unrelated to work.

 

 


--
Desert

Re: How to prevent Skype from gaining automatic focus when a message comes in

Desert Moon
 

Hello Amy,

 

Do you have duties other than monitoring and reacting to Skype chats? If yes, it is virtually impossible to manage all duties considering the high frequency of chats. You may need to talk to your boss about your job function.

 

With regards to excessive trash chats, they are distracting and hampering productivity. You may want to escalate to your boss. First, create an organization culture of minimizing trash chats. Second, encourage staff to create chat groups to talk about matter unrelated to work.

 

 


--
Desert
Re: How to prevent Skype from gaining automatic focus when a message comes in

Amy Ruell <aruell@...>
 

Hi,


A real conundrum. I have to check messages as they come in every minute to 90 seconds. I authorize psychiatric emergency admission and I am a supervisor on the team. The problem is, people often use the I am to chat about unnecessary things and there are far too many messages.
Amy

On Dec 22, 2018, at 12:35 AM, Desert Moon via Groups.Io <desert.moon@...> wrote:

Hello Amy,

With that setting, messages will still come in witout alerting you. You need to manually check messages. 

Before invoking that feature, I think you need to ask yourself a few questions. How frequent do alerts pop up? How disruptive are alerts? How important are incoming messages? Nice to know, must know or immediate action required? How disciplined are you to check message at a regular interval?

--
Desert

Re: How to prevent Skype from gaining automatic focus when a message comes in

Desert Moon
 

Hello Amy,

With that setting, messages will still come in witout alerting you. You need to manually check messages. 

Before invoking that feature, I think you need to ask yourself a few questions. How frequent do alerts pop up? How disruptive are alerts? How important are incoming messages? Nice to know, must know or immediate action required? How disciplined are you to check message at a regular interval?

--
Desert
Re: How to prevent Skype from gaining automatic focus when a message comes in

Amy Ruell <aruell@...>
 

Pardon the novice question, I am very new to this program. If I shut off alerts, how will I know when a message comes in? I can’t ignore the messages, I just don’t want them to interrupt my other work and want to have control over when I view them.
Thank you
Amy



On Dec 21, 2018, at 12:27 AM, Desert Moon via Groups.Io <desert.moon@...> wrote:

Hello Amy,

I use Skype for Business at work. As far as I can remember, you can shut off alerts:

1. Settings
2. Alerts
3. Generl Alerts
4. Select “Don’t show alerts”

--
Desert

Re: How to prevent Skype from gaining automatic focus when a message comes in

Desert Moon
 

Hello Amy,

I use Skype for Business at work. As far as I can remember, you can shut off alerts:

1. Settings
2. Alerts
3. Generl Alerts
4. Select “Don’t show alerts”

--
Desert
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