I now also have the windows 10 essentials add on. I heard that skype is integrated into that, I mean some skype support. What changes do you know of for nvda users in regard to skype, or would I have to take this up with Joseph who is not to my knowledge on said list.

Take care

On 7 Jan 2019, at 15:52, Doug Lee wrote:

I am hearing today that some people are being spontaneously upgraded from Skype 7 (Classic) to Skype 8 (Electron). I believe this is on Windows, but it would not surprise me if MacOS is also included. I assume this is one of
those wave-by-wave Microsoft rollouts. If so, it is occurring a few months later than Microsoft announced it would at least.

Perhaps useful resource reminders:

JAWS scripts for Skype 8 are at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ These work with JAWS versions 17 and later. (The JAWS 17 limit is imposed by older JAWS versions not working well in general with Electron apps like Skype 8.)

A simple NVDA add-on for Skype 8 is at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

To answer one frequently-asked question before it gets asked on this list: I did not implement Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers for reading chat messages in either JAWS or NVDA because of the way the chat history is organized in
Skype 8. In short, I am not convinced that there is a reliable way for scripts or add-ons to announce the "last" message, because it can at any moment happen not to be on screen due to scrolling or message arrival without
scrolling.

My preferred way to read chat messages, in both JAWS and NVDA and Skype 8, is to Shift+Tab from the chat input box to the message list and then use arrows to move among messages.

Skype 7 was a wonderful app for us. I find Skype 8 usable, slim, fast, and overall pretty efficient for my needs, though not as feature-rich as Skype 7. Our focus will now need to be on learning to use this newer Skype, and on
helping Microsoft improve it as necessary.

One final note, based on past message threads: Let us not diverge from here into a discussion of the merits of Skype 7 versus 8, the wisdom or folly of Microsoft's replacement of Skype 7, etc. That horse is so dead the the
flies buzzed off half a year ago. :-) I instead wish for everyone the best possible experience with Skype 8, and I plan to remain active as necessary in addressing any issues with it that may appear in the future.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Never does the human soul appear so strong as when it foregoes
revenge, and dares forgive an injury." --E. H. Chapin

I am hearing today that some people are being spontaneously upgraded from Skype 7 (Classic) to Skype 8 (Electron). I believe this is on Windows, but it would not surprise me if MacOS is also included. I assume this is one of
those wave-by-wave Microsoft rollouts. If so, it is occurring a few months later than Microsoft announced it would at least.

Perhaps useful resource reminders:

JAWS scripts for Skype 8 are at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ These work with JAWS versions 17 and later. (The JAWS 17 limit is imposed by older JAWS versions not working well in general with Electron apps like Skype 8.)

A simple NVDA add-on for Skype 8 is at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

To answer one frequently-asked question before it gets asked on this list: I did not implement Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers for reading chat messages in either JAWS or NVDA because of the way the chat history is organized in
Skype 8. In short, I am not convinced that there is a reliable way for scripts or add-ons to announce the "last" message, because it can at any moment happen not to be on screen due to scrolling or message arrival without
scrolling.

My preferred way to read chat messages, in both JAWS and NVDA and Skype 8, is to Shift+Tab from the chat input box to the message list and then use arrows to move among messages.

Skype 7 was a wonderful app for us. I find Skype 8 usable, slim, fast, and overall pretty efficient for my needs, though not as feature-rich as Skype 7. Our focus will now need to be on learning to use this newer Skype, and on
helping Microsoft improve it as necessary.

One final note, based on past message threads: Let us not diverge from here into a discussion of the merits of Skype 7 versus 8, the wisdom or folly of Microsoft's replacement of Skype 7, etc. That horse is so dead the the
flies buzzed off half a year ago. :-) I instead wish for everyone the best possible experience with Skype 8, and I plan to remain active as necessary in addressing any issues with it that may appear in the future.

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Never does the human soul appear so strong as when it foregoes
revenge, and dares forgive an injury." --E. H. Chapin

I am hearing today that some people are being spontaneously upgraded from Skype 7 (Classic) to Skype 8 (Electron). I believe this is on Windows, but it would not surprise me if MacOS is also included. I assume this is one of
those wave-by-wave Microsoft rollouts. If so, it is occurring a few months later than Microsoft announced it would at least.

Perhaps useful resource reminders:

JAWS scripts for Skype 8 are at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/ These work with JAWS versions 17 and later. (The JAWS 17 limit is imposed by older JAWS versions not working well in general with Electron apps like Skype 8.)

A simple NVDA add-on for Skype 8 is at https://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/skype.nvda-addon

To answer one frequently-asked question before it gets asked on this list: I did not implement Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers for reading chat messages in either JAWS or NVDA because of the way the chat history is organized in
Skype 8. In short, I am not convinced that there is a reliable way for scripts or add-ons to announce the "last" message, because it can at any moment happen not to be on screen due to scrolling or message arrival without
scrolling.

My preferred way to read chat messages, in both JAWS and NVDA and Skype 8, is to Shift+Tab from the chat input box to the message list and then use arrows to move among messages.

Skype 7 was a wonderful app for us. I find Skype 8 usable, slim, fast, and overall pretty efficient for my needs, though not as feature-rich as Skype 7. Our focus will now need to be on learning to use this newer Skype, and on
helping Microsoft improve it as necessary.

One final note, based on past message threads: Let us not diverge from here into a discussion of the merits of Skype 7 versus 8, the wisdom or folly of Microsoft's replacement of Skype 7, etc. That horse is so dead the the
flies buzzed off half a year ago. :-) I instead wish for everyone the best possible experience with Skype 8, and I plan to remain active as necessary in addressing any issues with it that may appear in the future.

On Dec 30, 2018, at 10:27 PM, Doug Lee <dgl@...> wrote:

I am running the same JAWS, Skype, and script versions as you, and also under Windows 10.

But which key combos are not working? I was not able to implement Alt+numbers in Skype 8 as I did in Skype 7 because of the way messages are presented in UIA/MSAA to JAWS. [ e and [ h key sequences move focus to the input and
history boxes, respectively. In the history list, arrows read messages.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 09:25:43PM -0500, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Hello All,
Could someone please let me know if the following configuration of my
Windows 10 lap top, running Jaws 2019, is correctly set up?
It says I'm running: Skype version 8.36.0.52
Insert q says: Revision 73 Skype for windows desktop 8(electron)
settings are loaded
The application currently being used is Skype exe Skype.exe
I'm having a bit of trouble getting the key combos to read messages
from the groups I belong to, which in Skype 7, with Doug's older
scripts, on a windows7 lap top I had no trouble figuring out over the
years and am trying hard to get back to a minimal level of proficiency.

I have gone to several documents for new up dated keystrokes but again
I'm not even coming close to the level of skill I once had.
Am I doing something wrong or is it just the nature of the current
beast! LOL
Any help is greatly appreciated,
Mike, in SC





At 08:45 AM 12/28/2018, you wrote:

As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the
divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word
"leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the
first message under "today," JAWS
should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new
message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say
"Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of
the message history.
If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are
crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running
(Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts
includes this
new feature:
"Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
"Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with
arrows.
This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the
newly
selected history entry."
Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the
arrow keys
doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note
references this,
so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.
Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.
Thanks.
L??onie.
--
@LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem
--
Doug Lee dgl@...
[1]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
[2]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.'
He did not know he could not fly, so he did."
--Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues)



References

1. http://www.dlee.org/
2. http://www.levelaccess.com/
3. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3599
4. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
5. mailto:mike@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
6. https://groups.io/mt/28872458/409874
7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
8. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
9. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
10. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both
incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by
dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper." --Rod Serling

On Dec 30, 2018, at 10:27 PM, Doug Lee <dgl@...> wrote:

I am running the same JAWS, Skype, and script versions as you, and also under Windows 10.

But which key combos are not working? I was not able to implement Alt+numbers in Skype 8 as I did in Skype 7 because of the way messages are presented in UIA/MSAA to JAWS. [ e and [ h key sequences move focus to the input and
history boxes, respectively. In the history list, arrows read messages.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 09:25:43PM -0500, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Hello All,
Could someone please let me know if the following configuration of my
Windows 10 lap top, running Jaws 2019, is correctly set up?
It says I'm running: Skype version 8.36.0.52
Insert q says: Revision 73 Skype for windows desktop 8(electron)
settings are loaded
The application currently being used is Skype exe Skype.exe
I'm having a bit of trouble getting the key combos to read messages
from the groups I belong to, which in Skype 7, with Doug's older
scripts, on a windows7 lap top I had no trouble figuring out over the
years and am trying hard to get back to a minimal level of proficiency.

I have gone to several documents for new up dated keystrokes but again
I'm not even coming close to the level of skill I once had.
Am I doing something wrong or is it just the nature of the current
beast! LOL
Any help is greatly appreciated,
Mike, in SC





At 08:45 AM 12/28/2018, you wrote:

As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the
divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word
"leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the
first message under "today," JAWS
should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new
message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say
"Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of
the message history.
If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are
crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running
(Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts
includes this
new feature:
"Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
"Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with
arrows.
This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the
newly
selected history entry."
Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the
arrow keys
doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note
references this,
so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.
Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.
Thanks.
L??onie.
--
@LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem
--
Doug Lee dgl@...
[1]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
[2]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.'
He did not know he could not fly, so he did."
--Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues)



References

1. http://www.dlee.org/
2. http://www.levelaccess.com/
3. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3599
4. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
5. mailto:mike@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
6. https://groups.io/mt/28872458/409874
7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
8. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
9. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
10. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both
incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by
dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper." --Rod Serling

I am running the same JAWS, Skype, and script versions as you, and also under Windows 10.

But which key combos are not working? I was not able to implement Alt+numbers in Skype 8 as I did in Skype 7 because of the way messages are presented in UIA/MSAA to JAWS. [ e and [ h key sequences move focus to the input and
history boxes, respectively. In the history list, arrows read messages.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 09:25:43PM -0500, Mike DeZinno wrote:
   Hello All,
   Could someone please let me know if the following configuration of my
   Windows 10 lap top, running Jaws 2019, is correctly set up?
   It says I'm running:  Skype version  8.36.0.52
   Insert q says:  Revision 73 Skype for windows desktop 8(electron)
   settings are loaded
   The application currently being used is Skype exe Skype.exe
   I'm having a bit of trouble getting the key combos to read messages
   from the groups I belong to, which in Skype 7, with Doug's older
   scripts, on a windows7 lap top I had no trouble figuring out over the
   years and am trying hard to get back to a minimal level of proficiency.

   I have gone to several documents for new up dated keystrokes but again
   I'm not even coming close to the level of skill I once had.
   Am I doing something wrong or is it just the nature of the current
   beast! LOL
   Any help is greatly appreciated,
   Mike, in SC





   At 08:45 AM 12/28/2018, you wrote:

     As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the
     divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word
     "leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the
     first message under "today," JAWS
     should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new
     message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say
     "Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of
     the message history.
     If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are
     crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running
     (Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.
     On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
     The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts
     includes this
     new feature:
     "Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
     "Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with
     arrows.
     This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the
     newly
     selected history entry."
     Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the
     arrow keys
     doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note
     references this,
     so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.
     Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.
     Thanks.
     L??onie.
     --
     @LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem
     --
     Doug Lee                 dgl@...
     [1]http://www.dlee.org
     Level Access             doug.lee@...
     [2]http://www.LevelAccess.com
     "All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.'
     He did not know he could not fly, so he did."
     --Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues)

  

References

   1. http://www.dlee.org/
   2. http://www.levelaccess.com/
   3. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3599
   4. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
   5. mailto:mike@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
   6. https://groups.io/mt/28872458/409874
   7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
   8. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
   9. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
  10. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
  11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
"It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both
incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by
dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper."  --Rod Serling

As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word "leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the first message under "today," JAWS
should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say "Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of the message history.

If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running (Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts includes this
new feature:

"Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
"Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with arrows.
This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the newly
selected history entry."

Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the arrow keys
doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note references this,
so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.

Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.

Thanks.
L??onie.


--
@LeonieWatson tink.uk Carpe diem



--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
"All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.'
He did not know he could not fly, so he did."
--Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues)

I have not written this feature for NVDA.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 09:26:16AM -0800, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Will this work in nvda? I use nvda, or do I need to use my heading keys
for this. I don't use skype with nvda on windows anymore, but if I ever
have to, thought I'd ask here.

On 28 Dec 2018, at 8:39, Doug Lee wrote:

The more important number is the full Skype version number; but
since I see no obvious cause for this situation, I'm trying to be as
specific as I can about where it occurs. :-)
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 05:18:13PM +0100, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hey Doug, do you need the JAWS complete build number? Our friend
already told
us, JAWS 2019 is installed on Windows 10.
Bye!
Barbuz
--
Doug Lee dgl@... [1]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... [2]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather
'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov



References

1. http://www.dlee.org/
2. http://www.LevelAccess.com/
3. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3595
4. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
5. mailto:marrie12@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Help%20with%20history%20dividers
6. https://groups.io/mt/28872458/409874
7. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
8. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
9. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
10. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
11. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra

As you arrow past a divider, like "Today," JAWS should say the divider's text as you arrow down and the text with the word "leaving" before it as you arrow up. So, when you arrow down to the first message under "today," JAWS
should say "Today" in a lower voice before announcing the new message. When you arrow up away from that message, JAWS should say "Leaving today," to indicate that you are leaving that section of the message history.
If you are not hearing these messages and you know that you are crossing dividers, let me know which Skype 8 version you are running (Ctrl+Ins+V should tell you) and which JAWS version.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:51:16PM +0000, L??onie Watson wrote:
The release notes for version 73 of the Skype Electron scripts includes this
new feature:
"Speech and Braille indicate chat history dividers like "Today" and
"Yesterday" as they are jumped over during history navigation with arrows.
This material is spoken in a lower voice to distinguish it from the newly
selected history entry."
Can someone let me know how to access this information? Using the arrow keys
doesn't seem to cause the announcements, but I think the note references this,
so I'm stuck as to how it's supposed to work.
Using Jaws 2019 on Windows 10, in case that info helps.
Thanks.
L??onie.

The more important number is the full Skype version number; but since I see no obvious cause for this situation, I'm trying to be as specific as I can about where it occurs. :-)

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 05:18:13PM +0100, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hey Doug, do you need the JAWS complete build number? Our friend already told
us, JAWS 2019 is installed on Windows 10.
Bye!
Barbuz



--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov

Will someone please send me the email about making a skype out call. I Deletedthe email.
martin