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Re: Skype 8 language and prefix key

Doug Lee
 

Ah, I thought Notepad would be an option there... so here is one alternative:

Open "Explore My Settings" for your JAWS version using your Start menu or Start screen, or otherwise navigate to that folder manually. One manual approach would be to open %APPDATA% from the Run box, then go to Freedom
Scientific, JAWS, your JAWS version, Settings, fra (if that's your language code; I forget that one).

Find skypeelectron.jcf and press Shift with the Applications key. This gets you a longer Context menu than usual.

From this extended menu, select "Copy as path" to get the full path of the file onto the clipboard.

Now open Notepad, type Ctrl+O, and paste that path into the box to open the file there.

Find the [MKCSOptions] line, then the line below that. Edit what comes after the = sign to be the key you want. Save with Ctrl+S and test. If this does not work, try using a name for the key; e.g., ` versus accent.

If you did not find a [MKCSOptions] line at all, go to the bottom of the file, add one, then on the next line enter something like CommandKey=[ (replacing [ with your key of course). Save with Ctrl+S and test.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 01:28:42PM +0200, Jean Philippe wrote:
hi Doug.

I need to know how to do this. First, do you have to open this file in
notepad? How do you do this? If I type Application key on a JCF file, and go
to open with, notepad is not in the list.

Then, do you do a search for MKCSOptions?

thanks,

JPR



http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 10/10/2018 ?? 13:07, Doug Lee a ??crit??:
Yes, the jcf. The jss would contain a default value, but the jcf is where any updates to it go for a user; so the jcf setting will override the jss value for that key if found.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 01:02:01PM +0200, Jean Philippe wrote:
Hi Doug.

I'm using Jaws 2018?? under French Windows 7, Jaws key plus F1 twice opens the
Scripts user guide, and Jaws key plus Q reports the revision
number, which makes me think that the script is active> But the left bracket
sign only Gets Jaws to pronounce, left bracket.

So it's the JCF I should look at, not theJSS?

Best,

JP


http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 10/10/2018 ?? 12:40, Doug Lee a ??crit??:
My guess is it at some point got changed to something unexpected. You can always try editing it in skypeelectron.jcf. If you've tried to change the key, there should be an MKCSOptions section in that file containing the
assignment. If you change it there, my script code will update all the jkm entries that use it when you next switch focus back into Skype.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:24:00AM +0200, Jean Philippe wrote:
Hi Doug and all,

I just installed Skype eight and its corresponding script. Still under French
Windows 7, it works okay but I cannot use the prefix key nor can I change it.
The scripts seem to be well installed, as insert Q reports Revision 60 for??
Skype Windows desktop 8 electron

I wonder if it is because my Skype language is set to French?

Thanks for helping,

best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel











--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
There is more freedom in knowing how to handle pain than in knowing
how to avoid it. (4/29/01)


Re: Skype 8 language and prefix key

Jean Philippe
 

hi Doug.

I need to know how to do this. First, do you have to open this file in notepad? How do you do this? If I type Application key on a JCF file, and go to open with, notepad is not in the list.

Then, do you do a search for MKCSOptions?

thanks,

JPR



http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 10/10/2018 à 13:07, Doug Lee a écrit :
Yes, the jcf. The jss would contain a default value, but the jcf is where any updates to it go for a user; so the jcf setting will override the jss value for that key if found.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 01:02:01PM +0200, Jean Philippe wrote:
Hi Doug.

I'm using Jaws 2018?? under French Windows 7, Jaws key plus F1 twice opens the
Scripts user guide, and Jaws key plus Q reports the revision
number, which makes me think that the script is active> But the left bracket
sign only Gets Jaws to pronounce, left bracket.

So it's the JCF I should look at, not theJSS?

Best,

JP


http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 10/10/2018 ?? 12:40, Doug Lee a ??crit??:
My guess is it at some point got changed to something unexpected. You can always try editing it in skypeelectron.jcf. If you've tried to change the key, there should be an MKCSOptions section in that file containing the
assignment. If you change it there, my script code will update all the jkm entries that use it when you next switch focus back into Skype.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:24:00AM +0200, Jean Philippe wrote:
Hi Doug and all,

I just installed Skype eight and its corresponding script. Still under French
Windows 7, it works okay but I cannot use the prefix key nor can I change it.
The scripts seem to be well installed, as insert Q reports Revision 60 for??
Skype Windows desktop 8 electron

I wonder if it is because my Skype language is set to French?

Thanks for helping,

best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel









Re: Skype 8 language and prefix key

Doug Lee
 

Yes, the jcf. The jss would contain a default value, but the jcf is where any updates to it go for a user; so the jcf setting will override the jss value for that key if found.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 01:02:01PM +0200, Jean Philippe wrote:
Hi Doug.

I'm using Jaws 2018?? under French Windows 7, Jaws key plus F1 twice opens the
Scripts user guide, and Jaws key plus Q reports the revision
number, which makes me think that the script is active> But the left bracket
sign only Gets Jaws to pronounce, left bracket.

So it's the JCF I should look at, not theJSS?

Best,

JP


http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 10/10/2018 ?? 12:40, Doug Lee a ??crit??:
My guess is it at some point got changed to something unexpected. You can always try editing it in skypeelectron.jcf. If you've tried to change the key, there should be an MKCSOptions section in that file containing the
assignment. If you change it there, my script code will update all the jkm entries that use it when you next switch focus back into Skype.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:24:00AM +0200, Jean Philippe wrote:
Hi Doug and all,

I just installed Skype eight and its corresponding script. Still under French
Windows 7, it works okay but I cannot use the prefix key nor can I change it.
The scripts seem to be well installed, as insert Q reports Revision 60 for??
Skype Windows desktop 8 electron

I wonder if it is because my Skype language is set to French?

Thanks for helping,

best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel










--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"No person is your friend who demands your silence or denies your
right to grow." --Alice Walker


Re: Skype 8 language and prefix key

Jean Philippe
 

Hi Doug.

I'm using Jaws 2018  under French Windows 7, Jaws key plus F1 twice opens the Scripts user guide, and Jaws key plus Q reports the revision
number, which makes me think that the script is active> But the left bracket sign only Gets Jaws to pronounce, left bracket.

So it's the JCF I should look at, not theJSS?

Best,

JP


http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 10/10/2018 à 12:40, Doug Lee a écrit :
My guess is it at some point got changed to something unexpected. You can always try editing it in skypeelectron.jcf. If you've tried to change the key, there should be an MKCSOptions section in that file containing the
assignment. If you change it there, my script code will update all the jkm entries that use it when you next switch focus back into Skype.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:24:00AM +0200, Jean Philippe wrote:
Hi Doug and all,

I just installed Skype eight and its corresponding script. Still under French
Windows 7, it works okay but I cannot use the prefix key nor can I change it.
The scripts seem to be well installed, as insert Q reports Revision 60 for??
Skype Windows desktop 8 electron

I wonder if it is because my Skype language is set to French?

Thanks for helping,

best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel








Re: Skype 8 language and prefix key

Doug Lee
 

My guess is it at some point got changed to something unexpected. You can always try editing it in skypeelectron.jcf. If you've tried to change the key, there should be an MKCSOptions section in that file containing the
assignment. If you change it there, my script code will update all the jkm entries that use it when you next switch focus back into Skype.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 10:24:00AM +0200, Jean Philippe wrote:
Hi Doug and all,

I just installed Skype eight and its corresponding script. Still under French
Windows 7, it works okay but I cannot use the prefix key nor can I change it.
The scripts seem to be well installed, as insert Q reports Revision 60 for??
Skype Windows desktop 8 electron

I wonder if it is because my Skype language is set to French?

Thanks for helping,

best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel








--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"If you refuse to be made straight when you are green,
you will not be made straight when you are dry." {African}


Re: Skype 8 language and prefix key

Michele Barbi
 

Quite strange, I remember when this system was introduced that this key worked as Skype command key, while in Italian we need to use alt gr in combination with that key for making a left braket. We in Italian need to change Skype command key btw...
Bye!
Barbuz


Re: Skype 8 language and prefix key

Jean Philippe
 

Hi Michele,

For the moment, I tried to switch to QWERTY and type the left bracket sign, just Next to the P right< But even this did not work>

Cheers,

JPR


http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 10/10/2018 à 10:48, Michele Barbi a écrit :
Hey Jean, could you please tell me what keys are you trying to press? In other words, how do you make a left braket in French?
Bye!
Barbuz



Re: Skype 8 language and prefix key

Michele Barbi
 

Hey Jean, could you please tell me what keys are you trying to press? In other words, how do you make a left braket in French?
Bye!
Barbuz


Skype 8 language and prefix key

Jean Philippe
 

Hi Doug and all,

I just installed Skype eight and its corresponding script. Still under French Windows 7, it works okay but I cannot use the prefix key nor can I change it. The scripts seem to be well installed, as insert Q reports Revision 60 for  Skype Windows desktop 8 electron

I wonder if it is because my Skype language is set to French?

Thanks for helping,

best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel


Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Shaun Oliver
 

lol yes, I can see that. that was the very thing I was talking about. but, to be fair, you not only had to accomodate long time users, but new users that were just coming to the platform also, so I really can't fault you on  that.

On 10/10/2018 07:55, Doug Lee wrote:
In the spirit of constructive feedback seeking, I wonder which keystrokes? I do know that my Skype 7 scripts made Alt+numbers read chats but that, years after I started doing that, Skype made Alt+1 through Alt+3 jump to
different screens in Skype. I can't think of any others but wonder if I'm forgetting any.

As far as the Alt+numbers go, I had to make a difficult decision: Change my keystrokes after years because Skype suddenly collided with them and risk ticking off long-term users, or continue using the keys as always and provide
alternate ways to use the new Skype commands, at the risk of ticking off newcomers. I chose the former and pleaded with Skype, before it belonged to Microsoft, to switch to Ctrl+numbers for the screen-switching commands. I
lost.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 05:43:29AM +1030, Shaun Oliver wrote:
my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it. however,
putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's scripts in
the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the fact that
towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already
incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through JAWS to
do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.

On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:

Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype scrips!
LOL
Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC
At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're
arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get
mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype
scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets
me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions
allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest
version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not
doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and
(3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm
doing anyway.
The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free
program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning.
My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and
also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us
not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a
small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and
prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be
usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us
the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever
seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!
Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have
been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
([1]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported
after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.
So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of
warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're
doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one
feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will
seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.
In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like
a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud
infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said
before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was
not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an
evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual
for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end
up lost at sea.
On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us
what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
[2]<blindman75@...>
To: [3]<skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of
Skype
> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no
longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that
you will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to
stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like
the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype
Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on
Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
--
Doug Lee [4]dgl@...
[5]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access [6]doug.lee@...
[7]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men
to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling
with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt


References

1. http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
2. mailto:blindman75@...
3. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
4. mailto:dgl@...
5. http://www.dlee.org/
6. mailto:doug.lee@...
7. http://www.levelaccess.com/
8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
9. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
10. mailto:blindman75@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
11. https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
13. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
14. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
15. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
16. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged


Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Doug Lee
 

In the spirit of constructive feedback seeking, I wonder which keystrokes? I do know that my Skype 7 scripts made Alt+numbers read chats but that, years after I started doing that, Skype made Alt+1 through Alt+3 jump to
different screens in Skype. I can't think of any others but wonder if I'm forgetting any.

As far as the Alt+numbers go, I had to make a difficult decision: Change my keystrokes after years because Skype suddenly collided with them and risk ticking off long-term users, or continue using the keys as always and provide
alternate ways to use the new Skype commands, at the risk of ticking off newcomers. I chose the former and pleaded with Skype, before it belonged to Microsoft, to switch to Ctrl+numbers for the screen-switching commands. I
lost.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 05:43:29AM +1030, Shaun Oliver wrote:
my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it. however,
putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's scripts in
the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the fact that
towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already
incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through JAWS to
do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.

On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:

Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype scrips!
LOL
Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC
At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're
arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get
mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype
scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets
me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions
allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest
version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not
doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and
(3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm
doing anyway.
The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free
program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning.
My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and
also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us
not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a
small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and
prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be
usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us
the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever
seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!
Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have
been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
([1]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported
after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.
So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of
warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're
doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one
feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will
seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.
In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like
a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud
infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said
before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was
not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an
evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual
for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end
up lost at sea.
On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us
what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
[2]<blindman75@...>
To: [3]<skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of
Skype
> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no
longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that
you will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to
stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like
the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype
Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on
Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
--
Doug Lee [4]dgl@...
[5]http://www.dlee.org
Level Access [6]doug.lee@...
[7]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men
to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling
with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt



References

1. http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
2. mailto:blindman75@...
3. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
4. mailto:dgl@...
5. http://www.dlee.org/
6. mailto:doug.lee@...
7. http://www.levelaccess.com/
8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
9. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
10. mailto:blindman75@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
11. https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
13. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
14. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
15. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
16. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"Believe, when you are most unhappy, that there is something for you
to do in the world. So long as you can sweeten another's pain, life is
not in vain." --Helen Keller


Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Shaun Oliver
 

what I suspect will happen is the client will simply refuse to login and if it does, it'll be limited functionality at best.


That might mean that your contact list may not populate, which means in a sense, you will have no contacts to sift through.

This doesn't mean you'll lose your contacts, it means that your particular client simply is unable to access them.


Do please bare in mind that what I'm saying is a possibility and based on my own conjecture and thoughts rather than any incontrovertible evidence.


Really people, we had big stinks like when win8 was first released, XP had reached its end of life cycle and when win10 was first introduced. all of you, are quite frankly making mountains out of little more than mole hills.


This isn't the days when developers did as they pleased and didn't or wouldn't listen to their end-users. times and practices and attitudes have drastically changed since then.



On 10/10/2018 06:11, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Will you loose all your contacts if you refused to update Skype? I have my updates for Skype Disabled.

I have seen everyonje use their phone for everything.
On 10/9/2018 2:27 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

unfortunately, your unwillingness to update Skype is going to see you without that service when it is finally completely phased out for the older versions.


As for the younger generations, I'd like to point out that I am 43 years of age and have taken to technology as if I were born to it.


Granted, I didn't have an inbuilt CPU in my nappies, but it's your own personal attitude that determines as to how well you adapt to and adopt new technologies.

Skype included.



On 10/10/2018 05:54, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Who cares. I am not willing to update Skype, and it makes things harder for me to use it because I can't do the things like before, and no one can hear me on their end whenever I make a phone call, and plus, I am not like the young generations to where they have everything on their phone, even though, I treid to use the new version of Skype..


On 10/9/2018 2:16 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.













Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Josephine Hirsch
 

Will you loose all your contacts if you refused to update Skype? I have my updates for Skype Disabled.

I have seen everyonje use their phone for everything.

On 10/9/2018 2:27 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

unfortunately, your unwillingness to update Skype is going to see you without that service when it is finally completely phased out for the older versions.


As for the younger generations, I'd like to point out that I am 43 years of age and have taken to technology as if I were born to it.


Granted, I didn't have an inbuilt CPU in my nappies, but it's your own personal attitude that determines as to how well you adapt to and adopt new technologies.

Skype included.



On 10/10/2018 05:54, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Who cares. I am not willing to update Skype, and it makes things harder for me to use it because I can't do the things like before, and no one can hear me on their end whenever I make a phone call, and plus, I am not like the young generations to where they have everything on their phone, even though, I treid to use the new version of Skype..


On 10/9/2018 2:16 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.












Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Shaun Oliver
 

unfortunately, your unwillingness to update Skype is going to see you without that service when it is finally completely phased out for the older versions.


As for the younger generations, I'd like to point out that I am 43 years of age and have taken to technology as if I were born to it.


Granted, I didn't have an inbuilt CPU in my nappies, but it's your own personal attitude that determines as to how well you adapt to and adopt new technologies.

Skype included.



On 10/10/2018 05:54, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Who cares. I am not willing to update Skype, and it makes things harder for me to use it because I can't do the things like before, and no one can hear me on their end whenever I make a phone call, and plus, I am not like the young generations to where they have everything on their phone, even though, I treid to use the new version of Skype..


On 10/9/2018 2:16 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.











Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Josephine Hirsch
 

Who cares. I am not willing to update Skype, and it makes things harder for me to use it because I can't do the things like before, and no one can hear me on their end whenever I make a phone call, and plus, I am not like the young generations to where they have everything on their phone, even though, I treid to use the new version of Skype..


On 10/9/2018 2:16 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.










Re: audio and video settings on Skype

Shaun Oliver
 

I am on both windows and Mac, oh, and on my iDevices also and I've had little to no issue with any of them.

On 10/10/2018 04:53, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
no, I do not know anyone who uses Skype 8.30.


On 10/8/2018 10:15 PM, Stephen Troy wrote:
Hi josephine

Do you know anyone who is successfully using skype 8.30? if so, have you compared settings with them in order to get your setup running properly?

Just a thought and apologies if you have already done this.

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Josephine Hirsch
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:59 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] audio and video settings on Skype

Well, I have Windows 7


On 10/8/2018 9:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Check your  ship's mac permissions if you are on mac. I had that issue
not too long ago and that's what I had to do.

On 8 Oct 2018, at 19:52, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all


I found three settings on Microphone:

default communication device, internal microphone, or record for
playback

for speakers, I found, default communication device and
speaker/headphones

How about auto microphone, unmute Microphone, and ringing device
options

Which ones shall I use because I haven't able to get it working for me.









Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Shaun Oliver
 

that, sadly, has been since removed when Skype 8 was released, so that is no longer an option.



On 10/10/2018 04:14, Mike DeZinno wrote:
re sending files a possible work around,
I have found that sending files in Skype from within the Skype menus has always been kinda hit or miss for me so for the last 3 years or so I browse to the file on my laptop I wish to send and right click on it,
one of the options that comes up is send to Skype.
hit enter on that and you go directly to Skype and into your master contact list where you just find the person or persons you wish to send the file to and click on their Skype handle.

I know this is probably not as sophisticated as some other users skills might be but this has been working for me.

I hope this helps someone,
Mike, in SC


 At 12:31 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
I can confirm that since skype 8's initial release, the file send dialog is indeed broken.

at least in windows anyway. something I intend to lodge feedback about. Furthermore, I am certain that MS will at the very least take it under advisement and hopefully will see that this is rectified in later versions of Skype.



On 10/10/2018 02:54, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.









Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Shaun Oliver
 

No, that's true, but I don't think you can really protect against Acts Of God. Some insurance companies will not even insure against such things either.


Unfortunately, those things, while they are a natural part of life, are something we can do nothing about. The DSL however, we can do something about, so long as there's a working LTE tower nearby. in which case, you can use your mobile, or dedicated Wireless router to substitute.



On 10/10/2018 04:04, Mike DeZinno wrote:
I hear you about the cloud, but what happens to Skype when your Internet service goes down,
Or like us here in SC waiting for another hurricane which usually means days without electric power or DSL or cable connections.
This is after all life on the web and just like real life nothing in virtual life is a 100% guarantee! LOL

Playing the what if game is fun to a point but history has proven that most of what we fear never happens anyway.

Stay calm, and stay the course,
in the end it usually sorts itself out.

Mike, preparing for a real hurricane in SC

At 08:34 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
well 1 thing people when the cloud goes down, then what.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine














Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Shaun Oliver
 

my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it. however, putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's scripts in the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the fact that towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through JAWS to do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.



On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype scrips! LOL

Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC

At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>




--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt



Re: audio and video settings on Skype

Josephine Hirsch
 

no, I do not know anyone who uses Skype 8.30.

On 10/8/2018 10:15 PM, Stephen Troy wrote:
Hi josephine

Do you know anyone who is successfully using skype 8.30? if so, have you compared settings with them in order to get your setup running properly?

Just a thought and apologies if you have already done this.

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Josephine Hirsch
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:59 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] audio and video settings on Skype

Well, I have Windows 7


On 10/8/2018 9:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Check your ship's mac permissions if you are on mac. I had that issue
not too long ago and that's what I had to do.

On 8 Oct 2018, at 19:52, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all


I found three settings on Microphone:

default communication device, internal microphone, or record for
playback

for speakers, I found, default communication device and
speaker/headphones

How about auto microphone, unmute Microphone, and ringing device
options

Which ones shall I use because I haven't able to get it working for me.