well 1 thing people when the cloud goes down, then what.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype


> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>




--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...    http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt

I actually  don't have that issue, and I'm using nvda build 18 latest snap. And I'm using skype 8 I can read the chats fine by tabbing to the list and just going to the bottom. It stays there.

As for sending  files I have not had to do that yet, Ill see bout that as normally I jut send dropbox links

On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:12, jazzyjennifer wrote:

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.

skype 8 is not all that bad.  how ever, a few things i dont like with it, sending files is broken, when you get in to the dialog box. it will  not read, your folders so you can go sollect the file you want to send, when using NVDA then with the chat section, if your viewing    the history of a sertin chat, its a pain, cause it will loose focus of the last chat that was recieved, and it will rap you clear to the  beginning of the  convorsation, or the middle of the convorsation, so you have to hit your down arrow. over and over again, to get to the end of the convorsation, you can not hit control page up. or page down, nore home or end eather, to take you to the beginning or end of teh chat, i tryed that, so i found that skype for windows 10 from  the microsoft store works a bit better for me anyways, because at least with taht, when viewing convorsations in sertin chats, it at least raps you to the end, of the chat, it will focus you with what was  last said.

well Shaun, there is no reason we have to go threw this, just herd on
the news that Microsoft just did a update, and thousands of files were
lost, in my view, they don't take the blind in to very much consideration
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly,
as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a
pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done
on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but
sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt
it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both.
I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not
sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at
best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that
they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep
something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite
ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code
perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:

you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
<blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of
Skype

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find
yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and
they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded
of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it,
don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go
linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about
another, get with the program, things are not going to go
backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with
it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had
talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us
what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
<blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version
of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no
longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this
means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic
skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like
the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on
Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to
hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no
go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

well 1 thing people when the cloud goes down, then what.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the
three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It
was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so
years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight
irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain
goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're
arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad
at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts
will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me
do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or
when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the
application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing
it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3)
cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing
anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free
program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My
complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also
gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not
one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small
number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific
proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable.
It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the
easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar
none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have
been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
(http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the
end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of
warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing,
and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk
used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously
miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a
hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud
infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said
before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not
ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation
order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather
bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end
up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what
to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no
longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that
you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

Thank you Doug,


That is my point exactly. the Cloud, is the way of the future, and the three major vendors are gearing their services towards Cloud Computing. It was always going to be this way, and I could see that even five or so years ago.


Really, there's nothing to complain about, other than it's a slight irritation, yet, like ripping a band aid off, do it quickly and the pain goes away with some alacrity.


On 9/10/2018 22:43, Doug Lee wrote:

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it lets me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1) not doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing anyway.

The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a free program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning and also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also given us not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite a small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!

Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it should have been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk (http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk), is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's a loss of
years of my time, at least arguably.

So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave plenty of warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.

In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be treated like a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud. Cloud infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I said before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7 was not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly will end up lost at sea.

On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be
supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will
either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop
working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the
Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic
than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30
any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

well Shaun, there is no reason we have to go threw this, just herd on the news that Microsoft just did a update, and thousands of files were lost, in my view, they don't take the blind in to very much consideration
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly, as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both. I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:

you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly, as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both. I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:

you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly, as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both. I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:

you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine