well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly, as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both. I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:

you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

well, congratulations on limiting yourself, because, quite frankly, as much as I enjoy using my mac, and find it not only intuitive and a pleasure to work with, There are some tasks that are just easier done on windows. That's not to say they can't be done with apple, but sometimes, I find, it's more trouble than it's worth to even attempt it at times, so I go with what I know works.

I do nto dislike either ecosystem and will happily work within both. I don't always agree with something either one does, but I will not sit there and ask them to go back to code that is full of holes at best. I'd rather be in a position to provide them feedback so that they can improve upon what they are releasing than ask them to keep something that quite frankly in the current environment looks quite ugly, not only from an eyecandy perspective, but from a code perspective as well.


On 9/10/2018 21:53, Joseph Machise wrote:

you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

you no if I get the money i will.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

they are the developers of not only the ecosystem you now find yourselves a part of, but, they are the developers of Skype, and they are well within their rights to deploy it as they see fit.


As has been stated time and time again, to the point I'm reminded of a saying about dead horses, if you do not like it, uninstall it, don't use it. if you hate ms that much, reformat your hd and go linux or go out and buy a mac.


don't sit there and be happy to utilise one part and bitch about another, get with the program, things are not going to go backwards, they are going to go forwards, and we have to move with it, or we are going to be back where we were before we even had talking computers.



On 9/10/2018 21:43, Joseph Machise wrote:

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell us what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

With new version of Skype, I could never get Skype to where someone can hear me, and I tried to set it up and no go with that one.


On 10/8/2018 9:32 PM, Doug Lee wrote:

Somewhere around the end of this month, Skype classic will simply stop working. I don't know if it will refuse to log in, refuse to run, auto update without asking, or what. But Microsoft is clear on saying that Skype 7,
classic, will no longer function. Microsoft is changing the methods of communication among our Skypes, so older clients would naturallly start having problems anyway.

On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:19:40PM -0500, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype
Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype
8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I
tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will no longer be supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means that you will either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin to stop working until it no longer works entirely.



On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

Check your ship's mac permissions if you are on mac. I had that issue
not too long ago and that's what I had to do.

On 8 Oct 2018, at 19:52, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all


I found three settings on Microphone:

default communication device, internal microphone, or record for
playback

for speakers, I found, default communication device and
speaker/headphones

How about auto microphone, unmute Microphone, and ringing device
options

Which ones shall I use because I haven't able to get it working for me.

Check your  ship's mac permissions if you are on mac. I had that issue not too long ago and that's what I had to do.

On 8 Oct 2018, at 19:52, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all


I found three settings on Microphone:

default communication device, internal microphone, or record for playback

for speakers, I found, default communication device and speaker/headphones

How about auto microphone, unmute Microphone, and ringing device options

Which ones shall I use because I haven't able to get it working for me.

Hi all

I found three settings on Microphone:

default communication device, internal microphone, or record for playback

for speakers, I found, default communication device and speaker/headphones

How about auto microphone, unmute Microphone, and ringing device options

Which ones shall I use because I haven't able to get it working for me.

Im guessing that skype 7 will simply just quit working.when was the last time you tried skype 8.30 as I have had no issues.

On 8 Oct 2018, at 19:19, Josephine Hirsch wrote:

Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

Hi all,

What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

Somewhere around the end of this month, Skype classic will simply stop working. I don't know if it will refuse to log in, refuse to run, auto update without asking, or what. But Microsoft is clear on saying that Skype 7,
classic, will no longer function. Microsoft is changing the methods of communication among our Skypes, so older clients would naturallly start having problems anyway.

On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:19:40PM -0500, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
Hi all,


What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I like the Skype
Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on Skype Classic than Skype
8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me on Skype 8.30 any longer, and I
tried everything and no go with Skype 8.30

Thanks,

Josephine

With Skype 8.3, no one can hear me whenever I make a phone call.


On 10/6/2018 12:24 PM, Doug Lee wrote:

Octavian, there's this saying (at least here) about "beating a dead horse." You have expressed your opinions, but the same opinions many times. I respectfully request, in order to prevent this discussion from going on forever,
that we refrain from saying things we've said before.

On Sat, Oct 06, 2018 at 11:51:33AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Yes Sarah, you are right. But I wonder why do you tell this only to the
people that have a different opinion than you.

Why don't you tell that the praises to Skype 8 are also useless and
don't make Skype 8 beeing better?



I am a reactive person. I usually don't start discussions and flame
wars, but I just send my opinions *after* other people send their
opinions.



--Octavian

----- Original Message -----

From: [1]Sarah k Alawami

To: [2]skypeenglish@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:23 AM

Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy

The point is, that we are seeing way too much talk and no action
. Someone does not like something and they just complain instead of
hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said app(s) Microsoft does
in fact listen. I am an insider and have ben for about a year on 1 of
their platforms and they do listen. They have fixed several bugs on
skype for xbox and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of
just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it, there's
the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your system, and find
somethingn that is better such as facebook or zoom for that matter, but
put your energy to constructive feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc.

Take care
On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote:

What does all of this have to do with Skype ?



From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Octavian Rasnita
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:49 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy


"insure that the things you want and need are there in future
iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be
considerably better for it".


Windows 7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still worse than
Windows XP was for me.

It won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse forever.

I used it for many years and I got very used to it, but it still works
bad, JAWS reads some strange words in some applications (TextPad), the
command prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook Express I use
has some limitations, the other email client have some missing features
etc.


And I can tell you that I tried very many other alternative programs
that could work a little better, but none of them have all the features
I need.


If I'd need to use the computer just for entertainment, all these
things wouldn't be a problem, because if something would not be
accessible, I can choose to use something else and that's all.


--Octavian

----- Original Message -----

From: [3]Shaun Oliver

To: [4]skypeenglish@groups.io

Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM

Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent energy


to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most part, the below
has happened. people ask, and concise answers were given out.


Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent, hence the reasons for
the questions in the first place.


What is a continual bugbear, however, is the incessant moaning as
opposed to the more practical reaching out to the developers at the
grass roots of the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to
see happen in order that their experience with the end-product
remains comfortable and unhindered by obstacles they are unable to
overcome. Yet, there is point blank refusal to at the very least
try, slurs and strongly worded suggestions as to what said
conglomerate can do with their current iteration of said
end-product, and wishes for deprecated and quite frankly, insecure
implementations of underlying software infrastructure, to bring back
a product that was flaky at best and a downright headache, even for
the more tech savvy among us at worst. There is little need to point
fingers, but, it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and
while it is not necessarily endemic to our own community, it is
something that is more prevalent than it needs to be.


Quite frankly, older software and operating systems are being done
away with, because they have security holes and are based on now
defunct code and deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance,
hasn't been supported for the better part of three years, yet, there
are still people out there using it on the internet, even knowing
that it is a security risk to their home or corporate networks. It's
only going to be a couple of years, before win7 is similarly no
longer supported, and people the world over, even though they are
better informed, are going to continue to use it, knowing they're
placing themselves and everyone else they interact with at risk.


I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is this.


Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting it and because
what yu are using is comfortable, be an instrument of change, and
calmly, logically and reasonably enter in to discourse with those in
the know, and insure that the things you want and need are there in
future iterations of said software and your lives and mine, will be
considerably better for it. not to mention the myriad others that
would doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring they have as
smooth a transition and as great an experience as they enjoy
currently.




On 6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:

Amen, Lewis!
I've been using a talking computer since 1987, and the same scare
and fear tactics have ripped through the blind community every year
for those 31 years since my first computer spoke its first words.
Change is inevitable, and life is all about constant change.
And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11 year old blind kid
who couldn't join a little league team;
"the value of your life isn't determined by the few things you can't
do, but rather by the many things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype community if we just
asked how-to questions and just gave each other non judgmental
answers.
State the problem or situation and then sit back, chill for a few,
and wait for someone to share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when you learn how to
just accept life's little jabs to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend,
Mike in SC

At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:

Hello friends,
I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a subject that has been
argued to the point of trying to ride a dead mule.
The new skype is here and its not going away. No company in the
world goes backward, and its not going to happen with skype.
All this intelligent energy should be expended towards helping each
other to access, understand and use the new program to our fullest
abilities, so that we are ready and able to improve our use of the
program, as the needed accessibility fixes come along.
As long as blind people have been using computers, the improvements
regarding accessibility have come along, and guess what, we haven't
been left behind yet.
That's because of good common sense advocacy for accessibility and
the willingness of blind computer users to use what we have so we
are comfortable with existing programs,
which makes it much easier for when much needed improvements are
developed in order to turn our experience into a smooth transition .
We all want the same thing as it relates to accessibility. Just
think how much someone like myself could have learned if all of
these angry messages were full of helpful questions and answers for
using the new skype?
Catcha later from Lewis!

**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!
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