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Re: Still Confused About Skype 8.25 UWP

Steve Matzura
 

Ah-ha.  Well understood. Fog  = gone.

On 7/29/2018 3:46 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
Glad things are clearing up and starting to work for you. :-)

The rest of this message is meant to clear a few remaining cobwebs out of the equation in case this is useful:

Microsoft owns Skype now, so both Skype 8 and Skype UWP are actually Microsoft products in reality.

And yes, the "older than Windows 10" is my fault lol: Microsoft initially did not support Skype 8 on Windows 10 when I wrote those pages and those scripts. Now they do, so the verbiage has begun changing on my website but is
not fully up to date yet, partly because I've been off doing other things this weekend. :-)

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 03:00:40AM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote:
I think the fog has finally cleared. It took me all this time to understand
there are two versions of the same application from two suppliers, their look
and feel seems quite similar to me, and therein lay most of the confusion.


When I run Skype UWP, it does indeed say scripts version 102, etc., and
everything works as documented. WONDERFUL!


Re the Electron version, the only reason I never tried, or thought to try,
that one is because the link says:


??? Skype 8 (Electron app, Skype for Windows older than 10) JAWS scripts


Come to think of it, the NVDA add-on link says the same thing:


??? Skype 8 (Electron app, Skype for Windows older than 10) NVDA addon (direct
link)


I'm on Windows 10.?? It would never occur to me to choose either of those. I
obey the signs (grin). The link titles make it sound like I should use them if
I am on Windows 7 or 8.1--"less than Windows 10."

Thanks for all the clarification. I think I have it sorted now.

So now the next phase of confounderation begins. There are now two Skypes, one
from Skype itself, one from Microsoft. What sort of craziness are these people
foisting off on us? Hopefully one will just go away.?? But which one?

On 7/29/2018 2:24 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
You are correct that Skype 8 is from the website and Skype UWP is from the Store.

But there are scripts for both, and you have to load the scripts for the Skype version you are using.

For Skype 8 for Windows Desktop: http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/
For Skype UWP: http://www.dlee.org/skype/uwp/

You can just load both sets of scripts so that scripts will load for whichever Skype you are using at a given time. Given the confusion here, perhaps that would be a good move. :-)

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 02:03:02AM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote:
OK, the fog is burning off (LOL).


On one computer, I have Skype for Desktop version 8.25. On another I have that
one, plus the one from the Microsoft Store. I have figured out how to start
the correct one, 8.25, and have pinned it to the Task Bar so I'll never start
the wrong one again. So, if I run the UWP one, *THAT* is the one the scripts
are for. Have I got it right this time? Oy, I don't know why this was so
confusing, except I thought the phrase "Skype 8" had to do with the one from
skype.com *AND* the UWP version from the MS Store.

On 7/29/2018 1:26 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
Skype 8 is not from the Store. Skype 8 is from skype.com. Skype UWP is from the Store. You can have both on your computer at once, but I'm saying it sounds like the one you are actually running is Skype 8. You can probably run
both at the same time still. I did that for months while scripting them actually. But of course, I imagine you'll just want to pick one of them. :)

I am confused that you say "Skype 8.25 UWP" though. I don't run Skype UWP anymore, so I don't have a current version number for that one; but I don't remember it being 8.anything, and I thought someone said the next version of
Skype UWP will be 14.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 01:18:14AM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote:
The fog thickens, I'm sorry to say.


On 7/29/2018 1:06 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
Microsoft recently started officially supporting Skype 8 on Windows 10, and it sounds from your messages like you are actually running Skype 8.
Yes, 8.25 UWP to be exact.

So you have two choices: Get the Skype 8 JAWS and/or NVDA support as described
and
use that, or grab and use Skype UWP from the Store and get the described support for JAWS and/or NVDA for that app.
But ... but ... I hate to sound so stupid, but there's obviously something I'm
not getting here. Skype 8 from the MS Store is different than some other Skype
8? And if your site says the NVDA add-on is for versions of Windows less than
10, and I'm running Windows 10, how is that the right thing to do? Ditto the
Electron application stuff?


I think Microsoft will continue to support Skype UWP for a while though I would like confirmation of their
plans for that one sometime. I am quite sure Microsoft will continue to support Skype 8 for a while now.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:38:43AM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote:
Doug:


??Electron and NVDA add-on are the wrong choices because I'm not using a
version of Windows less than 10. Scripts for Windows 10 insist Chrome is
running. What?? can I do to fix this?


Thanks as always. I've clearly mucked something badly.




Re: Still Confused About Skype 8.25 UWP

Kimmie
 

Hi there. I get a sound when I've got a message coming through, but I'm not sure how to retrieve it. I'm on the skype 8.25 desktop version and am using windows 7. Also It's hard to tell if skype has actually come up on the start up menu, because we don't get that sound we used to. Why on earth did they see the need to take the sounds out I'll never know. Thanks for any help.

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Monday, 30 July 2018 1:24 a.m.
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Still Confused About Skype 8.25 UWP

Ah-ha. Well understood. Fog = gone.


On 7/29/2018 3:46 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
Glad things are clearing up and starting to work for you. :-)

The rest of this message is meant to clear a few remaining cobwebs out of the equation in case this is useful:

Microsoft owns Skype now, so both Skype 8 and Skype UWP are actually Microsoft products in reality.

And yes, the "older than Windows 10" is my fault lol: Microsoft initially did not support Skype 8 on Windows 10 when I wrote those pages and those scripts. Now they do, so the verbiage has begun changing on my website but is
not fully up to date yet, partly because I've been off doing other things this weekend. :-)

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 03:00:40AM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote:
I think the fog has finally cleared. It took me all this time to understand
there are two versions of the same application from two suppliers, their look
and feel seems quite similar to me, and therein lay most of the confusion.


When I run Skype UWP, it does indeed say scripts version 102, etc., and
everything works as documented. WONDERFUL!


Re the Electron version, the only reason I never tried, or thought to try,
that one is because the link says:


??? Skype 8 (Electron app, Skype for Windows older than 10) JAWS scripts


Come to think of it, the NVDA add-on link says the same thing:


??? Skype 8 (Electron app, Skype for Windows older than 10) NVDA addon (direct
link)


I'm on Windows 10.?? It would never occur to me to choose either of those. I
obey the signs (grin). The link titles make it sound like I should use them if
I am on Windows 7 or 8.1--"less than Windows 10."

Thanks for all the clarification. I think I have it sorted now.

So now the next phase of confounderation begins. There are now two Skypes, one
from Skype itself, one from Microsoft. What sort of craziness are these people
foisting off on us? Hopefully one will just go away.?? But which one?

On 7/29/2018 2:24 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
You are correct that Skype 8 is from the website and Skype UWP is from the Store.

But there are scripts for both, and you have to load the scripts for the Skype version you are using.

For Skype 8 for Windows Desktop: http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron/
For Skype UWP: http://www.dlee.org/skype/uwp/

You can just load both sets of scripts so that scripts will load for whichever Skype you are using at a given time. Given the confusion here, perhaps that would be a good move. :-)

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 02:03:02AM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote:
OK, the fog is burning off (LOL).


On one computer, I have Skype for Desktop version 8.25. On another I have that
one, plus the one from the Microsoft Store. I have figured out how to start
the correct one, 8.25, and have pinned it to the Task Bar so I'll never start
the wrong one again. So, if I run the UWP one, *THAT* is the one the scripts
are for. Have I got it right this time? Oy, I don't know why this was so
confusing, except I thought the phrase "Skype 8" had to do with the one from
skype.com *AND* the UWP version from the MS Store.

On 7/29/2018 1:26 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
Skype 8 is not from the Store. Skype 8 is from skype.com. Skype UWP is from the Store. You can have both on your computer at once, but I'm saying it sounds like the one you are actually running is Skype 8. You can probably run
both at the same time still. I did that for months while scripting them actually. But of course, I imagine you'll just want to pick one of them. :)

I am confused that you say "Skype 8.25 UWP" though. I don't run Skype UWP anymore, so I don't have a current version number for that one; but I don't remember it being 8.anything, and I thought someone said the next version of
Skype UWP will be 14.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 01:18:14AM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote:
The fog thickens, I'm sorry to say.


On 7/29/2018 1:06 AM, Doug Lee wrote:
Microsoft recently started officially supporting Skype 8 on Windows 10, and it sounds from your messages like you are actually running Skype 8.
Yes, 8.25 UWP to be exact.

So you have two choices: Get the Skype 8 JAWS and/or NVDA support as described
and
use that, or grab and use Skype UWP from the Store and get the described support for JAWS and/or NVDA for that app.
But ... but ... I hate to sound so stupid, but there's obviously something I'm
not getting here. Skype 8 from the MS Store is different than some other Skype
8? And if your site says the NVDA add-on is for versions of Windows less than
10, and I'm running Windows 10, how is that the right thing to do? Ditto the
Electron application stuff?


I think Microsoft will continue to support Skype UWP for a while though I would like confirmation of their
plans for that one sometime. I am quite sure Microsoft will continue to support Skype 8 for a while now.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:38:43AM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote:
Doug:


??Electron and NVDA add-on are the wrong choices because I'm not using a
version of Windows less than 10. Scripts for Windows 10 insist Chrome is
running. What?? can I do to fix this?


Thanks as always. I've clearly mucked something badly.




Trouble with the Skype System Tray Menu

Steve Matzura
 

Seem like that one is totally useless with a screenreader no matter what mode I use--standard Windows nav, object nav, etc. If I want the application to stop running when I close the window, I set it up that way. Is there anything I might be missing here?


TIA

Skype and Screenreader Ducking

Steve Matzura
 

I've looked all through Skype settings and can't find this one. It used to be under the Advanced audio settings, but I'm having trouble finding that one in either Skype UWP or Desktop 8.25. Any kicks in the right direction greatly appreciated.

Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Sugar Lopez
 

Greetings

I hope this message goes through. Smile

I use jaws 17, windows 10 and office 2016.

I think the uwp will not work on my version of jaws since I don’t have18.

I think I was told that 8.5 or8.25, not sure which it was would work for jaws 17

Can someone confirm and if they would be so kind to send me the direct link and skripts that go with this?

Thanks for any help and suggestions.

Hanks

Sugar

 

"A day without a friend is like a pot without a drop of honey."

-Winnie the Pooh

Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:

https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey

Hugs, Sugar

 

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Michele Barbi
 

Hi Sugar and all.
I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows desktop. The scripts are available at www.dlee.org/skype/electron
I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Josephine Hirsch
 

have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25

It works very well with System Access to go

On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
Hi Sugar and all.
I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows desktop. The scripts are available at www.dlee.org/skype/electron
I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Lino Morales
 

Hi Sugar. If you can’t afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

www.nvaccess.org/

As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype 8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA community add-ons pages.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of Josephine Hirsch <animalsloversjh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?
 
have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25

It works very well with System Access to go


On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
> Hi Sugar and all.
> I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured
> out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are
> not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
> desktop. The scripts are available at www.dlee.org/skype/electron
> I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
> Bye!
> Barbuz
>
>
>




Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Doug Lee
 

I don't consider myself ready to prepare add-ons for that page in most cases, for both time and know-how reasons. I am not opposed to getting them there at some point, but I have no timeline for it yet.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 03:04:29PM +0000, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Sugar. If you can't afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

[1]www.nvaccess.org/

As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype
8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA
community add-ons pages.


Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10

__________________________________________________________________

From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of
Josephine Hirsch <animalsloversjh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25
It works very well with System Access to go
On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
> Hi Sugar and all.
> I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured
> out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are
> not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
> desktop. The scripts are available at [3]www.dlee.org/skype/electron
> I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
> Bye!
> Barbuz
>
>
>



References

1. http://www.nvaccess.org/
2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
3. http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron
4. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2869
5. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
6. mailto:linomorales001@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
7. https://groups.io/mt/23860297/409874
8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
9. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
11. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Jerry Pryde
 

Q:
Is it easy to alternate between NVDA and JAWS?

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:12 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

I don't consider myself ready to prepare add-ons for that page in most cases, for both time and know-how reasons. I am not opposed to getting them there at some point, but I have no timeline for it yet.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 03:04:29PM +0000, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Sugar. If you can't afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

[1]www.nvaccess.org/

As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype
8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA
community add-ons pages.


Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10

__________________________________________________________________

From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of
Josephine Hirsch <animalsloversjh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25
It works very well with System Access to go
On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
> Hi Sugar and all.
> I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured
> out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are
> not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
> desktop. The scripts are available at [3]www.dlee.org/skype/electron
> I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
> Bye!
> Barbuz
>
>
>



References

1. http://www.nvaccess.org/
2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
3. http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron
4. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2869
5. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
6. mailto:linomorales001@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
7. https://groups.io/mt/23860297/409874
8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
9. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
11. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Lino Morales
 

Sure. Just unload JAWS and run NVDA and visy versy as Tigger once said.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Pryde <jpryde1@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:39:42 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?
 
Q:
Is it easy to alternate between NVDA and JAWS?

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:12 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

I don't consider myself ready to prepare add-ons for that page in most
cases, for both time and know-how reasons. I am not opposed to getting them
there at some point, but I have no timeline for it yet.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 03:04:29PM +0000, Lino Morales wrote:
   Hi Sugar. If you can't afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

   [1]www.nvaccess.org/

   As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype
   8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA
   community add-ons pages.


   Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10

     __________________________________________________________________

   From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of
   Josephine Hirsch <animalsloversjh@...>
   Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
   To: skypeenglish@groups.io
   Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

   have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25
   It works very well with System Access to go
   On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
   > Hi Sugar and all.
   > I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured
   > out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are
   > not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
   > desktop. The scripts are available at [3]www.dlee.org/skype/electron
   > I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
   > Bye!
   > Barbuz
   >
   >
   >



References

   1. http://www.nvaccess.org/
   2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
   3. http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron
   4. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2869
   5.
mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
   6.
mailto:linomorales001@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
   7. https://groups.io/mt/23860297/409874
   8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
   9. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
  10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
  11. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
  12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee                 dgl@...                http://www.dlee.org
Level Access             doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

 





Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Very much so. I did it i a matter of about a week of contant practice and that was 8 years ago. i threw jaws away and have not used it since.

Take care

On 30 Jul 2018, at 8:39, Jerry Pryde wrote:

Q:
Is it easy to alternate between NVDA and JAWS?

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:12 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

I don't consider myself ready to prepare add-ons for that page in most cases, for both time and know-how reasons. I am not opposed to getting them there at some point, but I have no timeline for it yet.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 03:04:29PM +0000, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Sugar. If you can't afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

[1]www.nvaccess.org/

As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype
8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA
community add-ons pages.


Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10

__________________________________________________________________

From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of
Josephine Hirsch <animalsloversjh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25
It works very well with System Access to go
On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
> Hi Sugar and all.
> I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and
figured
> out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you
are
> not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
> desktop. The scripts are available at
[3]www.dlee.org/skype/electron
> I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
> Bye!
> Barbuz
>
>
>



References

1. http://www.nvaccess.org/
2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
3. http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron
4. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2869
5. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
6. mailto:linomorales001@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
7. https://groups.io/mt/23860297/409874
8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
9. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
11. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@...
http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon





Re: Skype and Screenreader Ducking

Sarah k Alawami
 

Did you check under windows sounds and communications settings? that is where it is now, I think.

On 30 Jul 2018, at 3:46, Steve Matzura wrote:

I've looked all through Skype settings and can't find this one. It used to be under the Advanced audio settings, but I'm having trouble finding that one in either Skype UWP or Desktop 8.25. Any kicks in the right direction greatly appreciated.

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Doug Lee
 

This has slowly become easier, but I still make navigation mistakes when doing it; so I tend to try to stay in each screen reader for a fairly large block of time. As it happens, I now have several active JAWS scripting
contracts; so my NVDA time has, not to make too bad a pun of it, contracted a bit. :-)

Just for general interest btw, a few comparisons. These are all my observations and opinions. As a side note, I wrote most of this before recalling that I'm writing to the SkypeEnglish list rather than to an NVDA add-on
developer list; so any non-tech folk may freely exit here if they wish. :-)

- JAWS scripting documentation is more centralized and organized, though the NVDA community is actively working on this.

- The NVDA community has considerably heavier structure expectations than the JAWS community on coding projects. This is largely because the NVDA community considers NVDA add-ons to be a part of NVDA and thus wants add-ons to
be subject to similar quality expectations.

- The NVDA community offers an automatic translation system for add-on writers. If an add-on can come up to the structural requirements and the author can meet the requirements of that system, translation to many languages
becomes easier in NVDA than in JAWS. To date, I have not managed to get any of my add-ons to qualify, however. This is up to me, by the way, and no fault of the NVDA community.

- Python, the language of choice for NVDA add-ons, allows much more to be done in far less code than is true for JAWS scripting. The trick, I find, is figuring out exactly what to do. :-) As a concrete example, I tend to add
output to the JAWS SayWindowTitle command to improve the user's knowledge of what is key about the current screen. To do this in JAWS, I override the SayWindowTitle script. To do this in NVDA, I could likewise override the
script for that command but have no easy way to call the original version if I do. This means I either have to recode that command myself, or find a way to "chain" mine to the original, as I do in JAWS. I prefer the latter,
but that turned out to be quite the exercise when I started playing with it a few months ago. Consistent with my current point, it does not require a lot of code; but the code that is required is not necessarily easy to
determine.

- In some cases, NVDA is better at determining a name for the active application. JAWS can return the name of a DLL used by the active application instead of the name of the application itself. Cisco Jabber is a major example:
JAWS may return any of over 20 DLL names where NVDA just returns the .exe name.

- On the other side of that coin, JAWS includes a system for scripting individual websites, where NVDA does not. JAWS may also be ahead of NVDA in the scriptability of Electron apps, though I am not yet certain of this.

- JAWS places no licensing restrictions on third-party scripts. NVDA requires all add-ons to be covered by the GNU license, version 2. Though much confusion exists over this, this situation is abundantly clear to me: Every NVDA
add-on must be open-source. As a rule, I'm fine with this and find it refreshing not to have to worry about licensing and ownership issues in some cases; but this regulation can also come at an occasional cost. For example, a
few years ago, I worked on a three-month contract that required me to sign an agreement saying I would not contribute any code to any GNU project for the duration of that contract. For three months, I can do that; but as a
personal commitment, I would not sign on to that sort of agreement long term. The concerns giving rise to that requirement related to intellectual property and trade secrets, and I consider these valid concerns but concerns
that would take too long to explain in this slist of points.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:39:42AM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Q:
Is it easy to alternate between NVDA and JAWS?

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:12 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

I don't consider myself ready to prepare add-ons for that page in most
cases, for both time and know-how reasons. I am not opposed to getting them
there at some point, but I have no timeline for it yet.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 03:04:29PM +0000, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Sugar. If you can't afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

[1]www.nvaccess.org/

As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype
8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA
community add-ons pages.


Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10

__________________________________________________________________

From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of
Josephine Hirsch <animalsloversjh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25
It works very well with System Access to go
On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
> Hi Sugar and all.
> I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured
> out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are
> not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
> desktop. The scripts are available at [3]www.dlee.org/skype/electron
> I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
> Bye!
> Barbuz
>
>
>



References

1. http://www.nvaccess.org/
2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
3. http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron
4. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2869
5.
mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
6.
mailto:linomorales001@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
7. https://groups.io/mt/23860297/409874
8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
9. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
11. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon







--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
"While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was
done." --Helen Keller

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Sugar Lopez
 

Thank you Doug,
I do appreciate all you do and have done.
Guess I'm just a little lost and I don't want to be "with out" once Sept 1st
comes aaround and my skype7.4 will not work?
I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Thanks so much.
Sugar

. "Let us be grateful to people who make us happy; they are the charming
gardeners who make our souls blossom."
-Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:
https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey
Hugs, Sugar

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Lee
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:13 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

I don't consider myself ready to prepare add-ons for that page in most
cases, for both time and know-how reasons. I am not opposed to getting them
there at some point, but I have no timeline for it yet.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 03:04:29PM +0000, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Sugar. If you can't afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

[1]www.nvaccess.org/

As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype
8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA
community add-ons pages.


Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10

__________________________________________________________________

From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of
Josephine Hirsch <animalsloversjh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25
It works very well with System Access to go
On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
> Hi Sugar and all.
> I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured
> out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are
> not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
> desktop. The scripts are available at [3]www.dlee.org/skype/electron
> I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
> Bye!
> Barbuz
>
>
>



References

1. http://www.nvaccess.org/
2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
3. http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron
4. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2869
5.
mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Sky
pe8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
6.
mailto:linomorales001@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeeng
lish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
7. https://groups.io/mt/23860297/409874
8. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
9. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
10. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
11. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
12. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Sugar Lopez
 

Awesome, thank you that is a big help and start for me.
Sugar

. "Let us be grateful to people who make us happy; they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom."
-Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:
https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey
Hugs, Sugar

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michele Barbi
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:48 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Hi Sugar and all.
I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows desktop. The scripts are available at www.dlee.org/skype/electron I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: windows shutting down skype 7.4

Sugar Lopez
 

Yes I did. Smile
For as long as I have used Skype I am still learning and trying to figure it out and just as I am getting use to it, poof! It changes all over again.
So happy I have joined this wonderful group of information and assistance.
Thanks to all
Sugar

. "Let us be grateful to people who make us happy; they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom."
-Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:
https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey
Hugs, Sugar

-----Original Message-----
From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michele Barbi
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 4:07 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] windows shutting down skype 7.4

Ok guys, I think Sugar made a mistake in indicating with JAWS version he is using. 10 is old by now, and won't support Windows 10 at all.
That been said, I checked out system requirements for Skype UWP scripts, and I figured out that these scripts will only support JFW 18 or higher, not 17 which Skype 8 electron scripts do.
Bye!
Barbuz

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Sugar Lopez
 

Thanks. I have nvda as a back up for mu jaws

So I guess my question now is jaws 17 won’t work with 8.25?

sugar

 

. "Let us be grateful to people who make us happy; they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom."

-Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:

https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey

Hugs, Sugar

 

From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:04 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

 

Hi Sugar. If you can’t afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

www.nvaccess.org/

As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype 8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA community add-ons pages.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of Josephine Hirsch <animalsloversjh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

 

have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25

It works very well with System Access to go


On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
> Hi Sugar and all.
> I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured
> out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are
> not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
> desktop. The scripts are available at www.dlee.org/skype/electron
> I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
> Bye!
> Barbuz
>
>
>



Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

inamuddin khan
 

No it will not work under JAWS 17!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...

Inamuddin.ronaque@...

outlook:
inam092@...

yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...

Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598 

+92-334-3348409

 

 

From: Sugar Lopez
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:27 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

 

Thanks. I have nvda as a back up for mu jaws

So I guess my question now is jaws 17 won’t work with 8.25?

sugar

 

. "Let us be grateful to people who make us happy; they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom."

-Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:

https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey

Hugs, Sugar

 

From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:04 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

 

Hi Sugar. If you can’t afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

www.nvaccess.org/

As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype 8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA community add-ons pages.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf of Josephine Hirsch <animalsloversjh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?

 

have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25

It works very well with System Access to go


On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
> Hi Sugar and all.
> I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured
> out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are
> not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
> desktop. The scripts are available at www.dlee.org/skype/electron
> I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
> Bye!
> Barbuz
>
>
>


 

Re: Skype8.5 & skrypts?

Doug Lee
 

Skype 8.25 should work with JAWS 17, 18, and 2018 with my scripts.

Skype UWP should work with JAWS 18 and 2018 and my scripts, but not with JAWS 17.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:30:53PM +0500, inamuddin khan wrote:
No it will not work under JAWS 17!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1



You can contact me via gmail:
[1]inamuddin09@...

[2]Inamuddin.ronaque@...

outlook:
[3]inam092@...

yahoo:
[4]inamuddin2010@...

Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
[5]www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

Follow me on my twitter ID:
[6]www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598

+92-334-3348409



From: [7]Sugar Lopez
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:27 PM
To: [8]skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?


Thanks. I have nvda as a back up for mu jaws

So I guess my question now is jaws 17 won't work with 8.25?

sugar


. "Let us be grateful to people who make us happy; they are the
charming gardeners who make our souls blossom."

-Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:

https://www.gofundme.com/sugars-transplant-journey

Hugs, Sugar


From: skypeenglish@groups.io <skypeenglish@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:04 AM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?


Hi Sugar. If you can't afford updating JAWS I highly recommend NVDA.

[9]www.nvaccess.org/

As Doug already stated there is an NVDA add-on that works with Skype
8.25. Speaking of that add-on, Doug you need to upload that to the NVDA
community add-ons pages.


Sent from [10]Mail for Windows 10


[INLINE]

From: [11]skypeenglish@groups.io <[12]skypeenglish@groups.io> on behalf
of Josephine Hirsch <[13]animalsloversjh@...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:49:20 AM
To: [14]skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Skype8.5 & skrypts?


have you thought of System Access to go for Skype 8.25
It works very well with System Access to go
On 7/30/2018 9:47 AM, Michele Barbi wrote:
> Hi Sugar and all.
> I recently checked the system requirements for Skype UWP, and figured
> out that yeah they require JAWS 18. Since you're using 17, if you are
> not able to upgrade, better for you to use Skype 8.25 for Windows
> desktop. The scripts are available at [15]www.dlee.org/skype/electron
> I don't have a direct link for Skype though at the moment.
> Bye!
> Barbuz
>
>
>




References

1. mailto:inamuddin09@...
2. mailto:Inamuddin.ronaque@...
3. mailto:inam092@...
4. mailto:inamuddin2010@...
5. http://www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
6. http://www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
7. mailto:sugarsyl71@...
8. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
9. http://www.nvaccess.org/
10. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986
11. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
12. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
13. mailto:animalsloversjh@...
14. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
15. http://www.dlee.org/skype/electron
16. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/2880
17. mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
18. mailto:inamuddin09@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20Skype8.5%20%26%20skrypts%3F
19. https://groups.io/mt/23860297/409874
20. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
21. http://www.dlee.org/skype/
22. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
23. mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
24. https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged

--
Doug Lee dgl@... http://www.dlee.org
Level Access doug.lee@... http://www.LevelAccess.com
Snowmen fall from heaven, unassembled.
--anon