Re: Scripts downloaded

Doug Lee

That message is in my first category; it shows up when the download is not known by sites that rate downloads by perceived safety. Simply put, it was a new script release; so it was not "commonly downloaded" yet. :-)

And you probably do need to restart JAWS to get the scripts to load. That's a JAWS bug I should report, if I haven't already; it's been around for quite a while by now.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 02:34:42PM -0400, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi Dug I am running windows defender and when I try to download your scripts
I am getting the message this softwhere is not normily downloaded and may
harm your computer. I am running windows 10 64 bi and jaws 2018 as well as I
hve jaws 18 on my computer as well. From Mich. Ps when I hit incert q when
running scripts all I hear is google crome is loaded and the aplacation is
skype and that's it. I have not tried un loading jaws and re loading it to
see if that would fix this since you said something about a version number
that is announced if the scripts are working right. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of
Doug Lee
Sent: June 30, 2020 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Scripts downloaded

I am concerned that people are actually disabling Windows Defender and
possibly other protective software to download my scripts. The following is
a bit technical and mostly aimed at getting technical feedback. TL;DR: I
don't recommend disabling protective software, and if something is making
you do that, I'd like to know why, including specific message text you're
seeing. I classify message types below and give my more specific advice on
how to handle each type.

There are, I'd say, three basic types of messages one can get from modern
protective software. From least to most severe:

1. "It is dangerous to run software downloaded from the Internet. Are you
sure you want to do this?" This is categorically true and has nothing to do
with the specific software in question; it is only related to where the
software is coming from. I would say the appropriate way to respond to this
sort of message is to bypass the warning without disabling the protective
software entirely. The appearance of this type of message indicates a
likely well-guarded computer and says nothing about the software being
downloaded. Disabling protective software to get around this sort of message
is risky because it unprotects you for no reason. Btw, I also put messages
like, "This software is not signed," in the same category, because it simply
is a warning that you need to make sure you trust the software origin. We
may come to a day when there is no way to bypass this warning without
disabling protective software; but I don't think we're there yet. I welcome
corrections from anyone who knows of a case where this is an insurmountable

2. "This download looks dangerous." This is a very broad category, but I
mean to include cases where protective software uses what are often called
heuristic tests to figure out if a program might do something troublesome
if run. False positives in this area abound and are sometimes rather famous
in the IT industry because of the trouble they can cause. However, I treat
any such message seriously; and on one occasion, a couple years ago I
think, messages like this from at least three different protective software
applications led me to revert to an older version of the Nullsoft Installer
System (NSIS) for building my installers, because I came to think that
perhaps the newest version at the time was creating installers that
contained something I did not understand. I would say the appropriate
response to a message in this category is to do all of the following, in

A. Notify me, and/or this list or an appropriate forum for the particular
scripting project in question, exactly which protective software is
notifying you (Windows Defender, Symantec Endpoint Protection, etc.), and
exactly what the message says. Include any apparent names or techie-looking
designations of a threat that is suspected or detected.

B. Hold off downloading the scripts until you get a response from me on
whether it is a known issue or instead represents a possible problem. I
don't expect any problems of this sort; but as I said, I once had to alter
NSIS version to fix messages like this.

C. If the issue is determined to be a false positive, I might need help
reporting the issue to the vendor of the protective software. That also
happened during the NSIS reversion incident.

3. "This download contains this specific virus, trojan, malware, etc." I
have never seen a report like this on a script installer, though at first
the above-mentioned NSIS issue confused me because some of the messages
did include names of threats that turned out to be names of heuristic
algorithms rather than names of viruses etc. I know absolutely no way for
any malware to get into what I post, and I have protections in place against
it; but I also think I am not absolute in my knowledge or authority over
technology. :-) So similar to the previous item, I would really appreciate
timely and specific reports of anything of this sort if they ever occur.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:50:21PM -0400, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Hi all.

I solve the problem. The scripts are downloaded.  Turning off windows
in internet explorer did it.

Disregard my last email, please.

It says revision 174, so all is well.

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