Sarah k Alawami
It will be bad, when skype 7 stops, and it will, so either get with it and use skype 8 and love hate it, or leave. And you did not say yu are the minority but I know how to read between the lines and the truth is, you are a minority, you and people who do not want to submit feedback to devs and just complain on lists and forum boards.. I know several members on other list swho do that and we all tell them the same thing eithe ruse what you are given and submit feedback or go to somethingn else.
Take care
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On 20 Nov 2018, at 11:06, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
You keep telling me that I am a minority, but I
don't understand what this has something to do with the fact that I consider
that skype 8 is worse than Skype 7.
Do I said that I consider that Skype 8 is worse
than Skype 7 for all blind users?
If I would do that, then yes, you could tell me
that I am wrong, and that no, for many people Skype 8 is very good.
I just said that Skype 8 is worse for me than Skype
7, and it doesn't matter if millions of blind people consider Skype 8 as good as
Skype 7, for me Skype 7 will remain better.
Or did I said that those who consider Skype 7
better is a majority?
No, I didn't. I just said that I just like more
skype 7. That's all.
Is that something so bad if I still like Skype 7
and all accessible native apps better than web-based apps?
But no, probably the problem is elsewhere, because
you and some other list member I think that agreed that there is a minority that
prefers Skype 7, so you accept that some people prefer Skype 7.
Do you like only positive opinions of other
people about the things that you like?
I hope that it is not the case.
If you buy something, a phone, a car, a dress, and
ask your friend his/her opinion about that thing, do you feel bad if your friend
tells you that he or she doesn't like that thing at all?
I am just trying to see what's the problem with
hearing other people's opinions if they don't match with yours.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 7:11
PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] New
accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs
Who said anyting about pressing two keys. I just use one and it is awesome.
You again are the minority here.
On 19 Nov 2018, at 22:27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
I'm also tired to explain you that not all the
people have the same needs from the same applications, because it seems that
it is hard for you to understand.
Pressing 2 keys instead of one takes 100% more
effort and time, so yes, is not OK for everybody.
If something is not perfect, we should accept
it as is, but we should also agree that is not perfect and don't pretend
that it is perfect and we should tell only good things about
it.
If you say that you are so tired, then I'd have
a recommendation for you... instead of telling me to shut up, just because I
don't have the same preferences as yours. Why don't you shut up instead if
it is so hard for you to understand?
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018
12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] New
accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs
again, this is where your quick nav keys for web interaction come in to
play. because you simply press e to enter your edit field, and you're
there. then tap your space bar to go in to forms or brows mode, depending
on your screenreader, then you can type away.
It really is not rocket science, and I'm really getting tired of you
knit picking every single thing you can and finding every single reason
you can to decry not only skype, but the tireless work both developers and
end-users have done to get it where it is today. I'm sorry, but either put
up, or shut up.
On 20/11/2018 07:38, Octavian Rasnita
wrote:
Yes, that's true. In some cases it might be
faster to navigate in the web interface, but the problem I see is that
the web interface is not standard, and anytime can appear something new
in that interface, advertising, a link there, a button elsewhere, so we
can't memorize that we need to press tab twice and then enter and then
do this fast without waiting for screen reader to speak. I prefer the
interfaces that never change depending on context. For sighted it is not
a problem because they can see the entire window, they can see the
context very fast.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018
9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] New
accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs
I don't mind the web inerface, in fact, I find myself navigating a
lot faster in the web interface than the older interface but thats
just me.
On 19 Nov 2018, at 9:49, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Any improvement is good, but these are
small improvements while bigger issues will never be
solved.
The biggest issue: Skype 8 uses a web
interface.
This issue might be worked around if
the scripts will turn the virtual buffer off automaticly and it will
use only the PC cursor, and of course, if this way Skype will be
fully accessible this way.
The best news is that for the moment
Skype 7 still works. Too bad that it will probably stop working
soon.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19,
2018 7:29 PM
Subject: [skypeenglish] New
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