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and going through the proper channels and entering in to civil
discourse has worked so badly for the rest of us. I'm sorry, but
this attitude that you know everything and how you say it is is
the right of it, bothers me greatly.
you are only one voice of many, or to be a little more fair to
you, I suppose a few of many that are discontent with the changes.
Granted, not everyone is going to like them, but, a developer
cannot keep a thing because a hand full of end-users want it so.
This is the last I'm going to say on this, because I am just to
the point where typing responses and attempting to get you to see
that it isn't all doom and gloom is costing me time and energy I
could better spend elsewhere.
On 20/11/2018 18:49, Octavian Rasnita
I don't put too much effort, and
I don't consider them negative. I just compared 2 products,
one that I like and another one that I don't like. That's all.
It wouldn't be helpful at all to
contact the developers, because they care about productivity
and profit, and developing a web interface is much more
productive than developing a native GUI, plus that the main
target is the sighted users.
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100% more effort and time? Really?
How much effort and time do you put in to composing the
emails you do finding every negative thing you can? that's
wasted energy and effort that would have been better spent on
learning something, or better yet, composing missives to the
developers and entering in to civil discourse with them so you
can see the improvements you'd like taking place.
On 20/11/2018 16:57, Octavian
I'm also tired to explain you
that not all the people have the same needs from the same
applications, because it seems that it is hard for you to
Pressing 2 keys instead of
one takes 100% more effort and time, so yes, is not OK for
If something is not perfect,
we should accept it as is, but we should also agree that
is not perfect and don't pretend that it is perfect and we
should tell only good things about it.
If you say that you are so
tired, then I'd have a recommendation for you... instead
of telling me to shut up, just because I don't have the
same preferences as yours. Why don't you shut up instead
if it is so hard for you to understand?
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[skypeenglish] New accessibility improvements in Skype 8.0
| Skype Blogs
again, this is where your quick nav keys for web
interaction come in to play. because you simply press e to
enter your edit field, and you're there. then tap your
space bar to go in to forms or brows mode, depending on
your screenreader, then you can type away.
It really is not rocket science, and I'm really getting
tired of you knit picking every single thing you can and
finding every single reason you can to decry not only
skype, but the tireless work both developers and end-users
have done to get it where it is today. I'm sorry, but
either put up, or shut up.
On 20/11/2018 07:38, Octavian
Yes, that's true. In some
cases it might be faster to navigate in the web
interface, but the problem I see is that the web
interface is not standard, and anytime can appear
something new in that interface, advertising, a link
there, a button elsewhere, so we can't memorize that
we need to press tab twice and then enter and then do
this fast without waiting for screen reader to speak.
I prefer the interfaces that never change depending on
context. For sighted it is not a problem because they
can see the entire window, they can see the context
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[skypeenglish] New accessibility improvements in Skype
8.0 | Skype Blogs
I don't mind the web inerface, in fact, I find
myself navigating a lot faster in the web
interface than the older interface but thats just
On 19 Nov 2018, at 9:49, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
is good, but these are small improvements
while bigger issues will never be solved.
issue: Skype 8 uses a web interface.
might be worked around if the scripts will
turn the virtual buffer off automaticly and
it will use only the PC cursor, and of
course, if this way Skype will be fully
accessible this way.
The best news
is that for the moment Skype 7 still works.
Too bad that it will probably stop working
Monday, November 19, 2018 7:29 PM
[skypeenglish] New accessibility
improvements in Skype 8.0 | Skype Blogs