Re: refusal of ypdating to a new version of Skype

Mike DeZinno

Hello Doug,
thank you for the key application enlightenment.
Some wise person once said that all disabilities aren't equal.
I guess adding to that the myriad of devices and personalized configurations the blind can use today makes finding unique keystrokes when scripting that are also possible to execute  a real challenge.
Again another reason to thank you and appreciate your work on our behalf.

Mike, in SC
At 10:45 AM 10/10/2018, you wrote:

Alt+Win+numbers can be obnoxious to type frequently, especially when a keyboard has only one Alt or Windows key. Alt+numbers or Ctrl+numbers are much less challenging even in such a case because the thumb can hold down one key
but not reliably two. This is my finding anyway.

To the original concern in this subthread though: I try not to override application keystrokes that exist before I start coding stuff. Skype just bit me by suddenly attaching functionality to keys I had been using for a long
time already, and even across multiple chat programs.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 09:26:01AM -0400, Mike DeZinno wrote:
   Hey Doug,
   Regarding your old keystrokes verses apps stepping on you by hijacking
   them with their newer upgrades:
   Could a simple fix just be for you to add the windows key to the key
   I only offer that because in recent years I see a number of other
   adaptive software doing that;
   So (alt plus a number) would become (alt win number)
   I don't pretend to know a lot about scripting so I don't know if that
   is or isn't an easy thing to do, just kinda throwing it out there for
   Thanks for all you have already done and for what you will be doing in
   the future,
   Mike, in SC

   At 08:20 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:

     lol yes, I can see that. that was the very thing I was talking
     about. but, to be fair, you not only had to accomodate long time
     users, but new users that were just coming to the platform also, so
     I really can't fault you on  that.
     On 10/10/2018 07:55, Doug Lee wrote:

     In the spirit of constructive feedback seeking, I wonder which
     keystrokes? I do know that my Skype 7 scripts made Alt+numbers read
     chats but that, years after I started doing that, Skype made Alt+1
     through Alt+3 jump to
     different screens in Skype. I can't think of any others but wonder
     if I'm forgetting any.
     As far as the Alt+numbers go, I had to make a difficult decision:
     Change my keystrokes after years because Skype suddenly collided
     with them and risk ticking off long-term users, or continue using
     the keys as always and provide
     alternate ways to use the new Skype commands, at the risk of ticking
     off newcomers. I chose the former and pleaded with Skype, before it
     belonged to Microsoft, to switch to Ctrl+numbers for the
     screen-switching commands. I
     On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 05:43:29AM +1030, Shaun Oliver wrote:
         my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it.
         putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used Doug's
     scripts in
         the past, I have never had a complaint against them, save the
     fact that
         towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were already
         incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and rerouted through
     JAWS to
         do something other than what Skype had intended for them to do.
         On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:
         Hey Doug,
         I once met a man who complained about free sex;
         So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype
         Take care and keep the faith,
         Mike, from SC
         At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
           The part that gets me almost giggling resignedly here is that
           arguing over a program that costs us nothing. People sometimes
           mad at me for saying things like, "The next version of the
           scripts will no longer
           support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it
           me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions
           allowed, or when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the
           version of the application.
           But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1)
           doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a
     reason, and
           (3) cannot be called mean because I'm giving away for free
     what I'm
           doing anyway.
           The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a
           program was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little
           My complaint at that time was that they gave us little warning
           also gave us nowhere to go.
           Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also
     given us
           not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And
     despite a
           small number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely
     solid and
           prolific proof that at
           least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be
           usable. It has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft
     gave us
           the easiest feedback system for reporting them that I have
           seen, bar none: Open, type into a
           box, press Enter, done!
           Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it
     should have
           been me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
           ([1][1], is completely
           after the end of this month. That's a loss of
           years of my time, at least arguably.
           So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave
     plenty of
           warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're
           doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one
           feature Clisk used, that being
           the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will
           seriously miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.
           In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be
     treated like
           a hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud.
           infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I
           before, is changing how it
           communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7
           not ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an
           evacuation order, with several months' warning - which is
           for a weather bulletin lol. But
           really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly
     will end
           up lost at sea.
           On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise
           well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell
           what to do.
           ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
           To: [3]<>
           Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
           Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new
     version of
           > as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they will
           longer be
           > supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this means
           you will
           > either be forced to update, or your classic skype will begin
           > working until it no longer works entirely.
           > On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
           > > Hi all,
           > >
           > >
           > > What if you refused to update to a new version of Skype? I
           > > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to navigate on
           > > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to hear me
           Skype 8.30
           > > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with Skype
           > >
           > > Thanks,
           > >
           > > Josephine
           > >
           > >
           > >
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