Hey Doug,
Regarding your old keystrokes verses apps stepping on you by hijacking
them with their newer upgrades:
Could a simple fix just be for you to add the windows key to the key
combos?
I only offer that because in recent years I see a number of other
adaptive software doing that;
So (alt plus a number) would become (alt win number)
I don't pretend to know a lot about scripting so I don't know if that is
or isn't an easy thing to do, just kinda throwing it out there for
consideration.
Thanks for all you have already done and for what you will be doing in
the future,
Mike, in SC
At 08:20 PM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
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lol yes, I can see that. that was
the very thing I was talking about. but, to be fair, you not only had to
accomodate long time users, but new users that were just coming to the
platform also, so I really can't fault you on that.
On 10/10/2018 07:55, Doug Lee wrote:
In the spirit of constructive
feedback seeking, I wonder which keystrokes? I do know that my Skype 7
scripts made Alt+numbers read chats but that, years after I started doing
that, Skype made Alt+1 through Alt+3 jump to
different screens in Skype. I can't think of any others but wonder if I'm
forgetting any.
As far as the Alt+numbers go, I had to make a difficult decision: Change
my keystrokes after years because Skype suddenly collided with them and
risk ticking off long-term users, or continue using the keys as always
and provide
alternate ways to use the new Skype commands, at the risk of ticking off
newcomers. I chose the former and pleaded with Skype, before it belonged
to Microsoft, to switch to Ctrl+numbers for the screen-switching
commands. I
lost.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 05:43:29AM +1030, Shaun Oliver wrote:
my only complaint with the former is I don't get
enough of it. however,
putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used
Doug's scripts in
the past, I have never had a complaint against them,
save the fact that
towards the end of my using them, keystrokes that were
already
incorperated in to Skype had been remapped and
rerouted through JAWS to
do something other than what Skype had intended for
them to do.
On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno wrote:
Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about
free Skype scrips!
LOL
Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC
At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
The part that gets me almost giggling
resignedly here is that we're
arguing over a program that costs us
nothing. People sometimes get
mad at me for saying things like,
"The next version of the Skype
scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than
15.0." I do that when it lets
me do better things in scripting than the
older JAWS versions
allowed, or when older JAWS versions
simply can't handle the newest
version of the application.
But people generally have the sense to
realize that I'm (1) not
doing it to hurt people, (2) am actually
doing it for a reason, and
(3) cannot be called mean because I'm
giving away for free what I'm
doing anyway.
The only time I can remember complaining
about a change to a free
program was when Roger suddenly vanished
with very little warning.
My complaint at that time was that they
gave us little warning and
also gave us nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of
warning and has also given us
not one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or
Skype UWP). And despite a
small number of claims in this thread, we
have absolutely solid and
prolific proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both
JAWS and NVDA to be
usable. It has its quirks, but so did
Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us
the easiest feedback system for reporting
them that I have ever
seen, bar none: Open, type into a
box, press Enter, done!
Finally, if anyone wanted to complain
loudly, I think it should have
been me. My Command Line Interface for
Skype, Clisk
([1]http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk),
is completely unsupported
after the end of this month. That's a loss
of
years of my time, at least arguably.
So why don't I yell about that one? Again,
Microsoft gave plenty of
warning, good explanations for why they
are doing what they're
doing, and even delayed Skype 7's demise
partly because of one
feature Clisk used, that being
the ability to redirect and record sound
from Skype. I will
seriously miss Clisk, but that is no
reason to cry foul.
In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update
should best be treated like
a hurricane; and that hurricane actually
has a name: Cloud. Cloud
infrastructure is why this update is
happening. Skype, as I said
before, is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a
cloud structure. Skype 7 was
not ready for that and never will be. So
Microsoft gave an
evacuation order, with several months'
warning - which is unusual
for a weather bulletin lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our
islands, we truly will end
up lost at sea.
On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400,
Joseph Machise wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft,
who are they to tell us
what to do.
----- Original Message ----- From:
"Shaun Oliver"
[2]<blindman75@...>
To:
[3]<skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11
AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of
ypdating to a new version of
Skype
> as has been stated in the official
notice from ms, they will no
longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's
now known. this means that
you will
> either be forced to update, or your
classic skype will begin to
stop
> working until it no longer works
entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch
wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to
a new version of Skype? I like
the
> > Skype Classic because it is
easier for me to navigate on Skype
Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could
never get anyone to hear me on
Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried
everything and no go with Skype 8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
--
Doug
Lee
[4]dgl@...
[5]http://www.dlee.org
Level
Access
[6]doug.lee@...
[7]http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who
has sense enough to pick good men
to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint
enough to keep from meddling
with
them while they do it."--Theodore
Roosevelt
References
1.
http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk
2.
mailto:blindman75@...
3.
mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io
4.
mailto:dgl@...
5.
http://www.dlee.org/
6.
mailto:doug.lee@...
7.
http://www.levelaccess.com/
8.
https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/message/3387
9.
mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
10.
mailto:blindman75@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bskypeenglish%5D%20refusal%20of%20ypdating%20to%20a%20new%20version%20of%20Skype
11.
https://groups.io/mt/27107171/409874
12.
https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/post
13.
http://www.dlee.org/skype/
14.
https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/editsub/409874
15.
mailto:skypeenglish+owner@groups.io
16.
https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish/leave/defanged
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