my only complaint with the former is I don't get enough of it.
however, putting the subject back on topic, whenever I've used
Doug's scripts in the past, I have never had a complaint against
them, save the fact that towards the end of my using them,
keystrokes that were already incorperated in to Skype had been
remapped and rerouted through JAWS to do something other than what
Skype had intended for them to do.
On 10/10/2018 03:58, Mike DeZinno
wrote:
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Hey Doug,
I once met a man who complained about free sex;
So why am I not surprised you get complaints about free Skype
scrips!
LOL
Take care and keep the faith,
Mike, from SC
At 08:13 AM 10/9/2018, you wrote:
The
part that gets me almost
giggling resignedly here is that we're arguing over a program
that costs
us nothing. People sometimes get mad at me for saying things
like,
"The next version of the Skype scripts will no longer
support any JAWS versions older than 15.0." I do that when it
lets
me do better things in scripting than the older JAWS versions
allowed, or
when older JAWS versions simply can't handle the newest
version of the
application.
But people generally have the sense to realize that I'm (1)
not doing it
to hurt people, (2) am actually doing it for a reason, and (3)
cannot be
called mean because I'm giving away for free what I'm doing
anyway.
The only time I can remember complaining about a change to a
free program
was when Roger suddenly vanished with very little warning. My
complaint
at that time was that they gave us little warning and also
gave us
nowhere to go.
Microsoft has given us way plenty of warning and has also
given us not
one, but two places to go (Skype 8 or Skype UWP). And despite
a small
number of claims in this thread, we have absolutely solid and
prolific
proof that at
least Skype 8 works well enough with both JAWS and NVDA to be
usable. It
has its quirks, but so did Skype 7. So Microsoft gave us the
easiest
feedback system for reporting them that I have ever seen, bar
none: Open,
type into a
box, press Enter, done!
Finally, if anyone wanted to complain loudly, I think it
should have been
me. My Command Line Interface for Skype, Clisk
(http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk),
is completely unsupported after the end of this month. That's
a loss
of
years of my time, at least arguably.
So why don't I yell about that one? Again, Microsoft gave
plenty of
warning, good explanations for why they are doing what they're
doing, and
even delayed Skype 7's demise partly because of one feature
Clisk used,
that being
the ability to redirect and record sound from Skype. I will
seriously
miss Clisk, but that is no reason to cry foul.
In conclusion, I'd say this Skype update should best be
treated like a
hurricane; and that hurricane actually has a name: Cloud.
Cloud
infrastructure is why this update is happening. Skype, as I
said before,
is changing how it
communicates. It is starting to use a cloud structure. Skype 7
was not
ready for that and never will be. So Microsoft gave an
evacuation order,
with several months' warning - which is unusual for a weather
bulletin
lol. But
really, in this storm, if we cling to our islands, we truly
will end up
lost at sea.
On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 07:13:12AM -0400, Joseph Machise
wrote:
well, that's the trouble with Microsoft, who are they to tell
us what to
do.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver"
<blindman75@...>
To: <skypeenglish@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] refusal of ypdating to a new
version of
Skype
> as has been stated in the official notice from ms, they
will no
longer be
> supporting Skype 7 or classic as it's now known. this
means that you
will
> either be forced to update, or your classic skype will
begin to
stop
> working until it no longer works entirely.
>
>
>
> On 9/10/2018 12:49, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > What if you refused to update to a new version of
Skype? I like
the
> > Skype Classic because it is easier for me to
navigate on Skype
Classic
> > than Skype 8.30, and I could never get anyone to
hear me on
Skype 8.30
> > any longer, and I tried everything and no go with
Skype
8.30
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Josephine
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
--
Doug
Lee
dgl@...
http://www.dlee.org
Level
Access
doug.lee@...
http://www.LevelAccess.com
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick
good men
to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from
meddling
with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt
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