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and that's the beauty of current versions of windows, that
ability is there. some are using older versions of windows that
are reaching their end of life cycle, but, that doesn't preclude
them from submitting that feedback, they just have to take a few
extra steps to get there. so really all this complaining about
this being worse, that not being accessible and how the
organization can go to places even I wouldn't want to visit for a
holiday, is unnecessary, because said organization has decided,
and rightfully so, in my opinion, to stop playing the part of an
ostrich and not only take on board, but act on the feedback given.
we won't necessarily get everything we want, but that is true of
life in general. as the song says, you can't always get what you
want, but you find sometimes, you get what you need.
On 6/10/2018 08:53, Sarah k Alawami
The point is, that we are seeing way too much
talk and no action
. Someone does not like something and they just complain
instead of hitting windows f and submitting feedback on said
app(s) Microsoft does in fact listen. I am an insider and
have ben for about a year on 1 of their platforms and they
do listen. They have fixed several bugs on skype for xbox
and windows and mac. So, get that feedback in instead of
just wishing for somethingn to happen. If you don't like it,
there's the door, and you can uninstall skype off of your
system, and find somethingn that is better such as facebook
or zoom for that matter, but put your energy to constructive
feedback stacks reports, diag logs etc.
On 5 Oct 2018, at 13:51, John Holcomb II wrote:
does all of this have to do with Skype ?
that the things you want and need are there in
future iterations of said software and your lives
and mine, will be considerably better for it".
7 is almost at its end of life, but it is still
worse than Windows XP was for me.
won't be improved anymore, so it will be worse
used it for many years and I got very used to it,
but it still works bad, JAWS reads some strange
words in some applications (TextPad), the command
prompt works also worse, the version of Outlook
Express I use has some limitations, the other
email client have some missing features etc.
I can tell you that I tried very many other
alternative programs that could work a little
better, but none of them have all the features I
I'd need to use the computer just for
entertainment, all these things wouldn't be a
problem, because if something would not be
accessible, I can choose to use something else
and that's all.
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Friday, October 05, 2018 9:10 PM
[skypeenglish] such a waste of intelligent
to be fair to all and sundry on list, for the most
part, the below has happened. people ask, and
concise answers were given out.
Granted, it isn't always immediately apparent,
hence the reasons for the questions in the first
What is a continual bugbear, however, is the
incessant moaning as opposed to the more practical
reaching out to the developers at the grass roots of
the project, calmly explaining what they'd like to
see happen in order that their experience with the
end-product remains comfortable and unhindered by
obstacles they are unable to overcome. Yet, there is
point blank refusal to at the very least try, slurs
and strongly worded suggestions as to what said
conglomerate can do with their current iteration of
said end-product, and wishes for deprecated and
quite frankly, insecure implementations of
underlying software infrastructure, to bring back a
product that was flaky at best and a downright
headache, even for the more tech savvy among us at
worst. There is little need to point fingers, but,
it seems to be currently, a trend I'm seeing, and
while it is not necessarily endemic to our own
community, it is something that is more prevalent
than it needs to be.
Quite frankly, older software and operating systems
are being done away with, because they have security
holes and are based on now defunct code and
deprecated practices. Windows XP, for instance,
hasn't been supported for the better part of three
years, yet, there are still people out there using
it on the internet, even knowing that it is a
security risk to their home or corporate networks.
It's only going to be a couple of years, before win7
is similarly no longer supported, and people the
world over, even though they are better informed,
are going to continue to use it, knowing they're
placing themselves and everyone else they interact
with at risk.
I digress, however. What I'm ultimately saying is
Don't fight change simply for the sake of fighting
it and because what yu are using is comfortable, be
an instrument of change, and calmly, logically and
reasonably enter in to discourse with those in the
know, and insure that the things you want and need
are there in future iterations of said software and
your lives and mine, will be considerably better for
it. not to mention the myriad others that would
doubtless thank you for your efforts in insuring
they have as smooth a transition and as great an
experience as they enjoy currently.
6/10/2018 02:57, Mike DeZinno wrote:
I've been using a talking computer since 1987,
and the same scare and fear tactics have ripped
through the blind community every year for those
31 years since my first computer spoke its first
Change is inevitable, and life is all about
And as my sainted mother told me when I was a 11
year old blind kid who couldn't join a little
"the value of your life isn't determined by the
few things you can't do, but rather by the many
things you can do!"
We would all be better served here in our Skype
community if we just asked how-to questions and
just gave each other non judgmental answers.
State the problem or situation and then sit
back, chill for a few, and wait for someone to
share some solutions.
Besides science has proven, you live longer when
you learn how to just accept life's little jabs
to your soul. LOL
Stay well and have a great fun weekend,
Mike in SC
At 11:38 AM 10/5/2018, you wrote:
I see so much wasted energy being wasted on a
subject that has been argued to the point of
trying to ride a dead mule.
The new skype is here and its not going away.
No company in the world goes backward, and its
not going to happen with skype.
All this intelligent energy should be expended
towards helping each other to access,
understand and use the new program to our
fullest abilities, so that we are ready and
able to improve our use of the program, as the
needed accessibility fixes come along.
As long as blind people have been using
computers, the improvements regarding
accessibility have come along, and guess what,
we haven’t been left behind yet.
That’s because of good common sense advocacy
for accessibility and the willingness of blind
computer users to use what we have so we are
comfortable with existing programs,
which makes it much easier for when much
needed improvements are developed in order to
turn our experience into a smooth transition .
We all want the same thing as it relates to
accessibility. Just think how much someone
like myself could have learned if all of these
angry messages were full of helpful questions
and answers for using the new skype?
Catcha later from Lewis!
**KISS AN ANGEL GOOD MORNING!