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Well, I had the patience for learning and for
practicing programming. I do programming for more than 20 years and I have
worked as a programmer as a blind for more than 15 years. But exactly this is
the reason why I don't have the time to lose re-learning new things that don't
help me to do new things, but just to be able to continue to do the same old
things, maybe a little worse.
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 2:32
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft
Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com
oh, I don't know all I'd like to, granted, but I know enough to get by, I'm
no software developer by any means, and I find I'm too old to take such a
project on, lol. not that 43 is overly old, but I haven't the head for
programming nor do I have the patients for it.
On 10/08/2018 08:54, Jerry Pryde wrote:
You know more about the high tech side of things.
All I know is, making the change was not the disaster I expected, or
was lead to believe.
So, I’m not really concerned either way.
A little help along the way, and not much of that, was really
But, I am planning for an upgrade in the near future.
Furthermore, I’ve gotten lost of help as it is just reading the
So, Thank you all.
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype
Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com
that's not really a fair comparison, as there were drastic changes
between all of those, but win7, win8 win8.1 and win10, the core comands
haven't changed much at all. interface wise, there's some changes, but, they
are not insurmountable.
On 10/08/2018 08:30, Josephine Hirsch
I also learned that from Windows 95 to Windows 98 to Windows 2000 to XP
to Vista to Windows 7 wasn't easy, but it took a while to figure the
commands on each OS.
On 8/9/2018 5:52 PM, Jerry Pryde
Shaun and John.
Frankly, I thought changing from XP to Windows-7 would be
difficult; Two Words: False alarm.
Like you, John, I tend to stick with what works, until it
Looking at what Doug, Sarah and others have said, I’m sure I’ll
figure things out with the new Skype, with or without Windows 10.
Making the change from XP was Easy. I expect the same when
the time comes for w-10.
Things work a little different here in Canada when it comes to
upgrades with special software.
Difficult, but not impossible.
I’ll catch up in due time. You’re both right.
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic
Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com
and thank you john, you therefore prove my point, you know how to use
it, but by choice, you don't wish to, and that is your choice, which I
you are neither complaining for complaining sake, nor are you being
contrary and fighting change just because you prefer the status quo.
again, that, I respect.
On 10/08/2018 07:47, John Holcomb II
I’ve never had anyone who I upgraded to
Windows 10 have any issues.
And while I don’t use W10 as my primary
driver, its close enough to windows 7 to work just fine. In fact,
narrator might be all some people need. And if any screene reader is
going to work great with skype over anything else, it’ll be first
Also I think Doug wouldn’t be putting
out scripts and NVDA addons if skype did not work with them.
And if something for some reason didn’t work,
he’d be the first person to tell us here.
Now I’ve e not upgraded my Skype
because I choose not to. Not because I think it won’t work.
There’s a difference.
Just like I choose to stay on Windows
7. For my main driver.
But if someone slapped Skype 8 and W 10 in
front of me and said here are scripts, you have no choice, I’m sure I
could make it work. I’ve been using computers and screne readers and
know how to use the curcers to get around screen if nothing
But all and all, I trust Doug who made
the scripts that he wouldn’t put out a halfassed
I'm going to comment here, and I'm likely going to not only appear
contrary, but, quite harsh, and I make no appology for it. you have
Firstly, Sarah is right. Skype 8, even though it is still called
Skype preview, is very easy to navigate. if you have experience
navigating a web style interface, you can navigate skype without
issue. If you've yet to at least gain competency in navigating a web
interface or similar, then you have nobody to blame but yourself for
the issues you're facing navigating Skype 8. I am talking collectively
here I am not pointing the finger at any one individual.
Furthermore, the interface is no different under windows7 as it is,
under windows 10. As for windows 10 being unstable, Pardon my use of
the colorful vernacular, but, bullshit!
Unless you know what you speak of, hold your tongue and if you must
offer an oppinion, make it an informed oppinion not filled with
supposition and hearsay. Windows10 is quite stable. and as is with any
other platform, yes, things break. sometimes majorly when there's an
update, but, the same is true of both IOS and android and I might add,
Software developers now not only listen to feedback about
accessibility these days, but, they listen to feedback about what's
broken and fix it in fairly short order. So have a care how you speak,
because unless your oppinions are based on actual provable evidence,
you are talking out of the wrong orifice and need to give the other
one a go.
On 10/08/2018 02:47, Sarah k Alawami
Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it
in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around. I use it every
day on my youtube streams. If you don’t believe me go to my youtube page. I can get
around it farily quickly with nvda.
On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:27, Octavian Rasnita
"just takes geting used
Yes, but this, and the fact that it
doesn't have some features that Skype 7 has, makes it worse than
Skype 7. :)
Getting used to something means effort
and time consumed, and Skype 7 doesn't require
It is good to consume time to learn
something new that helps, but for the moment I've seen only
missing features in Skype 8, not new helpful things that we can do
It would be great for example if it will
have an API that can be used for sending chat messages from
I see you compare Skype 8 with the
version for Mac, but most Skype users use it under Windows and
they will probably never intend to use Mac, so for them is not
helpful at all if Skype 8 is similar with the one for Mac, or if
the Mac style of using the computer is more friendly with Skype 8,
or anything Mac related.
The truth is that Skype 8 is much worse
accessible than Skype 7 when it is used under Windows with JAWS,
and I guess that this is the most used
I don't know how easy is to use it with
Windows 10 yet, but from what I read from other blind Windows 10
users, Windows 10 is not stable yet, and some updates can damage
some things until the next update, so this is also not very
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August 07, 2018 8:39 PM
[skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See
Another Day - Thurrott.com
Not true. I use it every day for my streams and my
jobs. It is 100 percent accessible and usable and just takes
geting used to, so give it a chance.
On 6 Aug 2018, at 20:34, Josephine Hirsch
new version of Skype really sucks, and is hard to use
with screenreaders regardless if you have any type of
On 8/6/2018 10:09 PM, Kimmie
Yeah I definitely put my feedback in there and told
them to get their act together.
This is really good news.
It sounds like they’ve gotten some seriously
negative feedback on the new version.
I’ve even heard from people with sight that don’t
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018
Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day