just as an aside, narrator has undergone a drastic change and as
of the next major update to win10, which is due this fall,
narrator could be compared to the major screenreaders as ms have
finally done what mac have been doing for years with voiceover.
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On 10/08/2018 08:22, Jerry Pryde wrote:
Shaun and John.
Absolutely correct.
Frankly, I thought changing from XP to Windows-7 would be
difficult; Two Words: False alarm.
Like you, John, I tend to stick with what works, until it
doesn’t.
Looking at what Doug, Sarah and others have said, I’m
sure I’ll figure things out with the new Skype, with or
without Windows 10.
Making the change from XP was Easy. I expect the same
when the time comes for w-10.
Things work a little different here in Canada when it
comes to upgrades with special software.
Difficult, but not impossible.
I’ll catch up in due time. You’re both right.
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft
Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day -
Thurrott.com
and thank you john, you therefore prove my point, you
know how to use it, but by choice, you don't wish to, and
that is your choice, which I respect.
you are neither complaining for complaining sake, nor are
you being contrary and fighting change just because you
prefer the status quo. again, that, I respect.
On 10/08/2018 07:47, John
Holcomb II wrote:
I’ve
never had anyone who I upgraded to Windows 10 have
any issues.
And
while I don’t use W10 as my primary driver, its
close enough to windows 7 to work just fine. In
fact, narrator might be all some people need. And if
any screene reader is going to work great with skype
over anything else, it’ll be first party hardware.
Also
I think Doug wouldn’t be putting out scripts and
NVDA addons if skype did not work with them.
And
if something for some reason didn’t work, he’d be
the first person to tell us here.
Now
I’ve e not upgraded my Skype because I choose not
to. Not because I think it won’t work. There’s a
difference.
Just
like I choose to stay on Windows 7. For my main
driver.
But
if someone slapped Skype 8 and W 10 in front of me
and said here are scripts, you have no choice, I’m
sure I could make it work. I’ve been using computers
and screne readers and know how to use the curcers
to get around screen if nothing else.
But
all and all, I trust Doug who made the scripts that
he wouldn’t put out a halfassed unworkable
product.
John
I'm going to comment here, and I'm likely going to
not only appear contrary, but, quite harsh, and I make
no appology for it. you have been warned.
Firstly, Sarah is right. Skype 8, even though it is
still called Skype preview, is very easy to navigate.
if you have experience navigating a web style
interface, you can navigate skype without issue. If
you've yet to at least gain competency in navigating a
web interface or similar, then you have nobody to
blame but yourself for the issues you're facing
navigating Skype 8. I am talking collectively here I
am not pointing the finger at any one individual.
Furthermore, the interface is no different under
windows7 as it is, under windows 10. As for windows 10
being unstable, Pardon my use of the colorful
vernacular, but, bullshit!
Unless you know what you speak of, hold your tongue
and if you must offer an oppinion, make it an informed
oppinion not filled with supposition and hearsay.
Windows10 is quite stable. and as is with any other
platform, yes, things break. sometimes majorly when
there's an update, but, the same is true of both IOS
and android and I might add, MacOSX.
Software developers now not only listen to feedback
about accessibility these days, but, they listen to
feedback about what's broken and fix it in fairly
short order. So have a care how you speak, because
unless your oppinions are based on actual provable
evidence, you are talking out of the wrong orifice and
need to give the other one a go.
On 10/08/2018 02:47, Sarah k
Alawami wrote:
Actualy skype 8
for windows is equally as good I learned it in
about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering
around. I use it every day on my youtube
streams. If you don’t believe me go to my youtube page. I can
get around it farily quickly with nvda.
On 7 Aug 2018,
at 13:27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
"just takes geting used to".
Yes, but this, and the fact
that it doesn't have some features that
Skype 7 has, makes it worse than Skype
7. :)
Getting used to something means
effort and time consumed, and Skype 7
doesn't require this.
It is good to consume time to
learn something new that helps, but for
the moment I've seen only missing
features in Skype 8, not new helpful
things that we can do with it.
It would be great for example
if it will have an API that can be used
for sending chat messages from programs.
I see you compare Skype 8 with
the version for Mac, but most Skype
users use it under Windows and they will
probably never intend to use Mac, so for
them is not helpful at all if Skype 8 is
similar with the one for Mac, or if the
Mac style of using the computer is more
friendly with Skype 8, or anything Mac
related.
The truth is that Skype 8 is
much worse accessible than Skype 7 when
it is used under Windows with JAWS, and
I guess that this is the most used
combination.
I don't know how easy is to use
it with Windows 10 yet, but from what I
read from other blind Windows 10 users,
Windows 10 is not stable yet, and some
updates can damage some things until the
next update, so this is also not very
useful.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018
8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft
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Another Day - Thurrott.com
Not true. I use it every
day for my streams and my jobs. It
is 100 percent accessible and usable
and just takes geting used to, so
give it a chance.
On 6 Aug 2018, at 20:34,
Josephine Hirsch wrote:
new version of
Skype really sucks, and is hard
to use with screenreaders
regardless if you have any type
of impairment
On 8/6/2018
10:09 PM, Kimmie wrote:
Yeah I
definitely put my feedback
in there and told them to
get their act together.
This
is really good news.
It
sounds like they’ve
gotten some seriously
negative feedback on
the new version.
I’ve
even heard from people
with sight that don’t
like it.
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018
2:00 PM
Subject: [skypeenglish] Microsoft
Backtracks,
Classic Skype
Lives to See
Another Day -
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