Sarah k Alawami
Wow, 2 hours? I downloaded skype 8 and learned on a youtube stream how to use it in a matter of minutes.. It is jut like a web page and if you use your quick nav keys un nvda or jaws ou will be able to get around the interface lightning fast. They work well.
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On 9 Aug 2018, at 11:25, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
The thing about Skype 8 is that I do not like it because it took
me 2 hours to use it. I like Skype 7 because I have Windows 7 OS
and no offense, Windows 10 is hard to use, plus, the commands for
Windows 10 is way different than Windows 7. I am glad that someone
have put their foot down by telling MS that they can't DC Skype 7
because people are used to it.
On 8/9/2018 12:53 PM, Octavian Rasnita
wrote:
"Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it
in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around.".
Oh yeah, but this is because you are great! Not all the
people are the same and not all of them use the computer for the
same things. :-)
I used Windows 7 for years, but I still hate it and consider
it less accessible than Windows XP.
Even now after so many years, it is still very bad accessible
with some applications like TextPad, or MS DOS command prompt
when comparing it with the same apps and screen reader under
Windows XP.
You said that you use NVDA. This means that probably you like
it. I don't. Actually I don't like the object navigation. I was
sighted and I want to have an experience as close as possible
with the one offered to the sighted that can have a visual
perspective of the entire screen without analysing each object
and sub-object one by one. Maybe with the style of NVDA Skype 8
is OK.
Window Eyes was a great screen reader many years ago, however
for the single reason that it enforced the users to use the
horrible numpad, I refused to use it. This was enough. Because I
don't like to use numpad at all for other things just typing
digits. For other people this might not be important at all.
However, Windows 7 has some stability improvements, so there
aren't just disadvantages.
But in Skype 8 I haven't heard about any advantage yet.
This is why I said that Skype 8 is worse for me. It may be as
good as Skype 7 for you or others, or maybe even better, but
this doesn't make it better for me.
Our different opinions don't mean contradiction, but are
based on our different needs and preferences.
For me "learning" means a different thing than for you for
sure.
For me, learning means muscle learning, so I don't even need to
think how to use it.
If you ask me how I start chatting with somebody on Skype, I'll
need to stay a little and think all the steps one by one, and I
may not be able to tell you all the steps without doing it. But
when I really want to start chatting with somebody, I know that
I need to press Insert+F11 to open the list of apps in System
tray, and from that point on is just muscle memory, and I don't
remember all the steps, but I do it very fast, without needing
to hear too much from the screen reader. It is like the muscle
memory needed to type a text very fast, without thinking to
every letter that you need to type.
And well, unfortunately I'm not so good and I can't change my
way of working and re-learning all the hotkey combinations to do
what I want as fast as before just in 5 minutes.
--Octavian
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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks,
Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com
Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned
it in about maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around. I
use it every day on my youtube streams. If you don’t
believe me go to my youtube
page. I can get around it farily quickly with nvda.
On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
"just takes geting used to".
Yes, but this, and the fact that it doesn't have
some features that Skype 7 has, makes it worse than
Skype 7. :)
Getting used to something means effort and time
consumed, and Skype 7 doesn't require this.
It is good to consume time to learn something new
that helps, but for the moment I've seen only missing
features in Skype 8, not new helpful things that we
can do with it.
It would be great for example if it will have an
API that can be used for sending chat messages from
programs.
I see you compare Skype 8 with the version for Mac,
but most Skype users use it under Windows and they
will probably never intend to use Mac, so for them is
not helpful at all if Skype 8 is similar with the one
for Mac, or if the Mac style of using the computer is
more friendly with Skype 8, or anything Mac related.
The truth is that Skype 8 is much worse accessible
than Skype 7 when it is used under Windows with JAWS,
and I guess that this is the most used combination.
I don't know how easy is to use it with Windows 10
yet, but from what I read from other blind Windows 10
users, Windows 10 is not stable yet, and some updates
can damage some things until the next update, so this
is also not very useful.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft
Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See Another Day -
Thurrott.com
Not true. I use it every day for my streams and
my jobs. It is 100 percent accessible and usable
and just takes geting used to, so give it a
chance.
On 6 Aug 2018, at 20:34, Josephine Hirsch
wrote:
new version of Skype really sucks, and is
hard to use with screenreaders regardless if
you have any type of impairment
On 8/6/2018 10:09 PM, Kimmie wrote:
Yeah I definitely put my feedback
in there and told them to get their
act together.
This is really
good news.
It sounds like
they’ve gotten some seriously
negative feedback on the new
version.
I’ve even
heard from people with sight
that don’t like it.
Sent: Monday,
August 06, 2018 2:00 PM
Subject:
[skypeenglish] Microsoft
Backtracks, Classic Skype
Lives to See Another Day -
Thurrott.com
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