I upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 in 2016, people were spreading stories
around that 10 was vastly different, but once I got it I found that I didn’t
have to change anything, all the commands I used in 7 still work in 10.
Pete H.
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From: Josephine Hirsch
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 7:25 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype
Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com
The thing about Skype 8 is that I do not like it because it took me 2 hours
to use it. I like Skype 7 because I have Windows 7 OS and no offense, Windows 10
is hard to use, plus, the commands for Windows 10 is way different than Windows
7. I am glad that someone have put their foot down by telling MS that they can't
DC Skype 7 because people are used to it.
On 8/9/2018 12:53 PM, Octavian Rasnita
wrote:
"Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about
maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around.".
Oh yeah, but this is because you are great! Not all the people are the
same and not all of them use the computer for the same things. :-)
I used Windows 7 for years, but I still hate it and consider it less
accessible than Windows XP.
Even now after so many years, it is still very
bad accessible with some applications like TextPad, or MS DOS command prompt
when comparing it with the same apps and screen reader under Windows XP.
You said that you use NVDA. This means that probably you like it. I
don't. Actually I don't like the object navigation. I was sighted and I want
to have an experience as close as possible with the one offered to the sighted
that can have a visual perspective of the entire screen without analysing each
object and sub-object one by one. Maybe with the style of NVDA Skype 8 is
OK.
Window Eyes was a great screen reader many years ago, however for the
single reason that it enforced the users to use the horrible numpad, I refused
to use it. This was enough. Because I don't like to use numpad at all for
other things just typing digits. For other people this might not be important
at all.
However, Windows 7 has some stability improvements, so there aren't just
disadvantages.
But in Skype 8 I haven't heard about any advantage
yet.
This is why I said that Skype 8 is worse for me. It may be as good as
Skype 7 for you or others, or maybe even better, but this doesn't make it
better for me.
Our different opinions don't mean contradiction, but are based on our
different needs and preferences.
For me "learning" means a different thing than for you for sure.
For
me, learning means muscle learning, so I don't even need to think how to use
it.
If you ask me how I start chatting with somebody on Skype, I'll need to
stay a little and think all the steps one by one, and I may not be able to
tell you all the steps without doing it. But when I really want to start
chatting with somebody, I know that I need to press Insert+F11 to open the
list of apps in System tray, and from that point on is just muscle memory, and
I don't remember all the steps, but I do it very fast, without needing to hear
too much from the screen reader. It is like the muscle memory needed to type a
text very fast, without thinking to every letter that you need to type.
And
well, unfortunately I'm not so good and I can't change my way of working and
re-learning all the hotkey combinations to do what I want as fast as before
just in 5 minutes.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah k
Alawami
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype
Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com
Actualy skype 8 for windows is equally as good I learned it in about
maybe 5 minutes of just tinkering around. I use it every day on my youtube
streams. If you don’t believe me go to my youtube
page. I can get around it farily quickly with nvda.
On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
"just takes geting used to".
Yes, but this, and the fact that it doesn't have some features that
Skype 7 has, makes it worse than Skype 7. :)
Getting used to something means effort and time consumed, and Skype 7
doesn't require this.
It is good to consume time to learn something new that helps, but for
the moment I've seen only missing features in Skype 8, not new helpful
things that we can do with it.
It would be great for example if it will have an API that can be used
for sending chat messages from programs.
I see you compare Skype 8 with the version for Mac, but most Skype
users use it under Windows and they will probably never intend to use Mac,
so for them is not helpful at all if Skype 8 is similar with the one for
Mac, or if the Mac style of using the computer is more friendly with Skype
8, or anything Mac related.
The truth is that Skype 8 is much worse accessible than Skype 7 when
it is used under Windows with JAWS, and I guess that this is the most used
combination.
I don't know how easy is to use it with Windows 10 yet, but from what
I read from other blind Windows 10 users, Windows 10 is not stable yet,
and some updates can damage some things until the next update, so this is
also not very useful.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah k Alawami
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic
Skype Lives to See Another Day - Thurrott.com
Not true. I use it every day for my streams and my jobs. It is 100
percent accessible and usable and just takes geting used to, so give it
a chance.
On 6 Aug 2018, at 20:34, Josephine Hirsch wrote:
new version of Skype really sucks, and is hard to use with
screenreaders regardless if you have any type of
impairment
On 8/6/2018 10:09 PM, Kimmie wrote:
Yeah I definitely put my feedback in there and told them to
get their act together.
From: skypeenglish@groups.io [mailto:skypeenglish@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Jerry Pryde
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018
8:33 a.m.
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject:
Re: [skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See
Another Day - Thurrott.com
This is really good news.
It sounds like they’ve gotten some seriously
negative feedback on the new version.
I’ve even heard from people with sight that
don’t like it.
Sent: Monday,
August 06, 2018 2:00 PM
To: skypeenglish@groups.io
Subject:
[skypeenglish] Microsoft Backtracks, Classic Skype Lives to See
Another Day - Thurrott.com
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